[GOLAGLULT]

The dog looks in fine physical condition, if anything slightly on the heavy side. The eyes are not sunken in at all.

The chain set up is appropriate in hardware as well as chain size. That is not a logging chain. These dogs can easily pull thousands of pounds, a sturdy chain is needed to keep them contained.

I agree with the others in that you should ask your brother for permission to walk the dog/ give him toys/ spend time with him. However, as long as an appropriate house is present and food and water are being provided I see nothing wrong with how this dog is being kept- it is certainly better than him running free and making the 6 o'clock news.

[kathy]

I don't see a problem w/ chaining a dog as long as they have good shelter, food, water, and exorcise and get to spend time with people. I also don't think they should not be chained 24/7, but unless there is a no chaining dogs law in your area you don't have a legal leg to stand on. I would just try and talk it out with your brother and make arrangements to walk him or even better buy him assuming he gets along with your dogs then you might end up chaining him as well. Just don't understand why someone would want a dog and then spend no time with him. I do think the dog looks healthy maybe a little sad, but thats hard to say. I also think he needs some aerobic exorcise of chain as he is a little on the portly side. Good luck and let us know how it turns out. He is a good looking dog by the way.

[tramadoldiscountes]

you feel like calling cop's on your brother? WTF is wrong with you just because he is not keeping HIS dog to your standards. that dog is getting feed, water , house & has life. his siblings are probably not that lucky. he ain't happy how do you know that are you there 24/7 to be the judge. if your brother tells you he loves HIS dog that should be good enough for you. his "eyes sunken" no shit the pupy face goes away when they mature around 2. he is action's on his chain spot is normal thats just what they do. that chain is not big at all looks to be a standard size. what you should do? thats easy stop worrying about what your brother does with HIS dog. & go to wall mart odd's are the same guy will be selling more 50$ pups & get your own dog & do as YOU see fit.

[GotActichwicy]

The dog looks in fine physical condition, if anything slightly on the heavy side. The eyes are not sunken in at all.

The chain set up is appropriate in hardware as well as chain size. That is not a logging chain. These dogs can easily pull thousands of pounds, a sturdy chain is needed to keep them contained.

I agree with the others in that you should ask your brother for permission to walk the dog/ give him toys/ spend time with him. However, as long as an appropriate house is present and food and water are being provided I see nothing wrong with how this dog is being kept- it is certainly better than him running free and making the 6 o'clock news.

Agreed!

[seatlyled]

I get very sad when I see a lone animal living its life on a chain. It is one thing if it’s chained while unsupervised for its safety but why 24x7? Dogs are social animals and forcing a life of loneliness seems harsh to me. I appreciate the difference between working dogs and family pets…I don’t believe I’ve ever seen a lone working dog???

[Encannavalf]

See if your brother will let you buy the dog from him... heck, offer him $100, twice what he paid. If he refuses, about the best you can do is see if he will let you come walk the dog and play with it a couple of times a day everyday. I'm not a fan of the logging chains, but a proper chain set up, with water, shade and shelter, isn't a bad way to contain the dog. However, the dog does need exercise and socializing, which apparently, your brother isn't interested in giving.

[Koayrbzh]

This this serious?? You want to call LE on your brother for this?? That set-up looks very nice & very responsible from what I see. That dog probably has more room to move around that a dog in a kennel has & he's likely more secure to boot.

IMO you should get off your brother's a.. & mind your own bizz. I don't see his eyes are sunken or that his spirit is broken. You can't even compare the 2 pics b/c ...

1: One was taken while he was in a relaxed state, while the other pic was taken while he was at attention.

2: The dog has aged.

But if the dog's state bothers you that much (which I don't see anything wrong with him - he looks just as sad in pic 1 as he does in pic 2) come up off the dough & buy the effin' dog or go out there a few xs a week & play with him yourself.

Oy. people who think dogs are children kill me. I love my dogs, but they are just that - dogs.

JMHO ...

[QvhhbjLy]

I must agree that calling the cops on your brothers seems a bit much.

I actually think the dog looks a bit better in the second picture, but can't see much of a difference in either one.

Also, I agree that the dog does look healthy (well, slightly overweight) and I see nothing wrong with the chain set-up.

I do have a problem with the fact that the dog is never exercised or paid attention to, and like others have said, see if your brother will let you exercise and play with the dog. Also, see if you can buy him. If not, then it sucks the dog doesn't get any attention, but overall, it does seem to be getting it's basic needs, so, I am not sure what else you can do, within the confinements of the law.

[Koayrbzh]

I think the dog looks great personally. As for the pic I see no notable change in expression from pic 1 to pic 2. He looks sad in both of them. But the dog may simply just have a sanguine expression. Not all dogs are "up" all the time.

Most dogs who are tethered self exercise, whereas most kennel dogs lay around. So walks may not be required as much, save for entertainment value for the dog. but playing & petting are still required, which you can do.

Also other things you can do for him to enrich his life are to buy exercising equipment, like a spring pole or mental stimulation toys like a busy ball.

[seatlyled]

I'm just trying to understand why someone would subject an animal to a life of solitude? Why bother to get it in the first place? I understand the diff between family house pets and working dogs and realize working dogs may be more game, prey driven, and require considerable restraint but if you're not into sports or hunting, why would anyone want to have a dog chained up 24x7? What is the purpose?

[Maribellin]

First of all, I'm not against correct chaining. I AM against a dog living there all it's life with very little attention other than that quick-pet-and-get-out-of-the-way-of-it's-exuberance when it's fed, watered and picked up after.

The breed's fondness for all mankind is always exhorted right next to it's fighting ability, in fact it is always told to us how this fondness was almost a requirement for the dog being good at what it did....then nothing is found to be wrong when we deny them human contact and interaction except for the very basics. "Oh yes, but they are working dogs, what about all the sled dogs and hunting hounds that are kept that way?" THOSE kinds of breeds are rather independent and aloof to people and don't "suffer" as much on the chained-with-little-human-interaction kind of life.

I'm not saying it's going to change, I just find it ironic that many find nothing really "wrong" with life on a chain with little human interaction as long as the basics are met.

YES, I realize people have every RIGHT to do it and it's not going to change, just expressing my opinion here and how ironic the practice IS when the human friendliness of the breed is so strongly exhorted.

Carla

[jeraveike]

I'm just trying to understand why someone would subject an animal to a life of solitude? Why bother to get it in the first place? I understand the diff between family house pets and working dogs and realize working dogs may be more game, prey driven, and require considerable restraint but if you're not into sports or hunting, why would anyone want to have a dog chained up 24x7? What is the purpose?

Here is a thread on chaining:
http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=930

[seatlyled]

First of all, I'm not against correct chaining. I AM against a dog living there all it's life with very little attention other than that quick-pet-and-get-out-of-the-way-of-it's-exuberance when it's fed, watered and picked up after.

The breed's fondness for all mankind is always exhorted right next to it's fighting ability, in fact it is always told to us how this fondness was almost a requirement for the dog being good at what it did....then nothing is found to be wrong when we deny them human contact and interaction except for the very basics. "Oh yes, but they are working dogs, what about all the sled dogs and hunting hounds that are kept that way?" THOSE kinds of breeds are rather independent and aloof to people and don't "suffer" as much on the chained-with-little-human-interaction kind of life.

I'm not saying it's going to change, I just find it ironic that many find nothing really "wrong" with life on a chain with little human interaction as long as the basics are met.

YES, I realize people have every RIGHT to do it and it's not going to change, just expressing my opinion here and how ironic the practice IS when the human friendliness of the breed is so strongly exhorted.

Carla

Exactly!

[Koayrbzh]

... why would anyone want to have a dog chained up 24x7? What is the purpose?

The reason is safety. When I got into bulldog I was not an advocate of chaining. We had never chained a dog, so I used all the "traditional" methods of keeping a dog And the results were thus ...

Kept them in the house & they almost fought to the death.

Kept them in the house separate & had a male jump through a window to get to another dog.

Kept them in the house separate & they chewed through doors & walls as well as crushed door knobs.

(Crates would not hold them BTW I've had them chew out of both the plastic & the wire crates.)

Started kenneling & I had dogs that ...

Dug under the kennel.

Climbed over the kennel.

Pushed the doors open on the kennels.

Chewed out of kennels, to include 9 gauge power coated welded wire ones.

All these mishaps have resulted in injury & even death of some of my dogs for my hard-headed refusal to accept the fact these dogs are best kept on a GOOD chain set up. Now after many burials & tears over the years, all my dogs are kept on chains.

Hope this helps you understand.

[durootrium]

Let's try to keep this civilized for the OP's sake. We can educate him about chaining and we can also try to help him give his brother's dog some help.

To the OP, have you tried offering to buy the dog? I mean, you may need to raise your price...it's sad, but true.

[jeraveike]

To the OP:

Buy the dog from your brother. If he won't sell you the dog, go there regularly and walk the dog and spend time with the dog.

[offinoNem]

Kick him in the balls first, then start talking he may agree easier when he's in pain. I would say the dog is unsocialized and needs a better life then being on a chain.

[compiit]

First of all, I'm not against correct chaining. I AM against a dog living there all it's life with very little attention other than that quick-pet-and-get-out-of-the-way-of-it's-exuberance when it's fed, watered and picked up after.

The breed's fondness for all mankind is always exhorted right next to it's fighting ability, in fact it is always told to us how this fondness was almost a requirement for the dog being good at what it did....then nothing is found to be wrong when we deny them human contact and interaction except for the very basics. "Oh yes, but they are working dogs, what about all the sled dogs and hunting hounds that are kept that way?" THOSE kinds of breeds are rather independent and aloof to people and don't "suffer" as much on the chained-with-little-human-interaction kind of life.

I'm not saying it's going to change, I just find it ironic that many find nothing really "wrong" with life on a chain with little human interaction as long as the basics are met.

YES, I realize people have every RIGHT to do it and it's not going to change, just expressing my opinion here and how ironic the practice IS when the human friendliness of the breed is so strongly exhorted.

Carla

I agree. IMO I would rather see a dog PTS then completely neglected it's whole life.

[seatlyled]

The reason is safety. When I got into bulldog I was not an advocate of chaining. We had never chained a dog, so I used all the "traditional" methods of keeping a dog And the results were thus ...

Kept them in the house & they almost fought to the death.

Kept them in the house separate & had a male jump through a window to get to another dog.

Kept them in the house separate & they chewed through doors & walls as well as crushed door knobs.

(Crates would not hold them BTW I've had them chew out of both the plastic & the wire crates.)

Started kenneling & I had dogs that ...

Dug under the kennel.

Climbed over the kennel.

Pushed the doors open on the kennels.

Chewed out of kennels, to include 9 gauge power coated welded wire ones.

All these mishaps have resulted in injury & even death of some of my dogs for my hard-headed refusal to accept the fact these dogs are best kept on a GOOD chain set up. Now after many burials & tears over the years, all my dogs are kept on chains.

Hope this helps you understand.

As I mentioned, I realize some dogs are more game/prey driven, etc. than others and I recognize the need for considerable restraint for some, mostly working dogs, but in the case of the dog we are discussing...it appears that the owner, though he can't speak for himself to dispute, interacts very little with his animal. Your situation sounds very different. You have multiple dogs and certainly that must be managed carefully. One dog, not used for any good purpose, just living out its life on a chain with no interaction is unacceptable in my eyes. I’m not judging responsible people protecting their animals…I object to people who get lawn ornaments.

[ViaxobbimeVar]

atlas was bought for fifty dollars in the parking lot of wal mart. His mother was a pure bred pit, with papers available on hand, but his father was a stray mutt, and the puppies were useless to them. He was the cutest little guy i'd ever seen, and he was affectionate. My brother is the one who bought him, just so he could say he owned a pit bull. I was able to walk him three times in his first year of life. I wasn't allowed to, because he wasn't my dog. But my brother never did it on his own. Now, atlas is two years old, and he stays out in my little brother's backyard on a logging chain attached to a car axel. He's never been walked since he was taken to my little brother's house, and he looks very unhappy.

This was him when he lived with me...



and this is him now...


his eyes are sunken in, and the chain he's on is all he's known for a year. My little brother says he loves him, but never goes out and plays with him. When you go up to the poor guy, he drags you into his domain and slams into you for affection. He doesn't know any better. I want to call the cops, but they have the good ol' boys system, and my brother's step father was a cop. What should i do?

he looks fine in both pictures an dont see anything wrong with the chain thing but all dogs need to be walked a played with an always need affection :d