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**loginereQQ** · 02-11-2008, 04:26 AM

Can someone please explain what a scratch is in a fight.

**drexigordiche** · 02-11-2008, 04:30 AM

I hope I explain this correctly.

There are lines that a dog must cross, by crossing the line, the dog is "saying" he/she is willing to fight. When the dog crosses that line it is referred to as scratching.

**loginereQQ** · 02-11-2008, 04:49 AM

is the dog trained to cross that line in fights. or is it up to the dog at that time. i read the rules of the pit posted by Se. so i am assuming thats why a second is not allowed to pick up a dog?

So i am assuming the dog at that time makes the choice to scratch not the owners. Thats why your dog can be messed up and win a match over another dog that is not half as bad. Because the other did not scratch

Am i assuming all this correctly.

**drexigordiche** · 02-11-2008, 04:58 AM

The dog isn't trained to do it. That is where the courage comes in. If the dog doesn't scratch (from my understanding), there is no match.

**L0KoxewQ** · 03-10-2008, 02:35 PM

yes...this a proper assumption. Scratching started (under cajun rules) after one of the dogs was called for a turn (literally turning away from the other dog as opposed to taking a hold with his mouth) The dog that was called for a turn then had to scratch to continue the match. He had a time limit in which he had to move to the other side and take hold of the other dog...if he didn't wish to continue the match was over. If the owner was to touch, push, etc. the dog would then be disqualified and lose either way.

A courtesy scratch was used to test gameness after a match was decided. After the match was decided a handler would ask for a courtesty screatch (as described above) just to see if his dog still had the will to continue...that's what happened in the situation that I posted in the other thread with Wallace's Toney. He was picked up from the fight by his owner, but made the courtesy scratch....

is the dog trained to cross that line in fights. or is it up to the dog at that time. i read the rules of the pit posted by Se. so i am assuming thats why a second is not allowed to pick up a dog?

So i am assuming the dog at that time makes the choice to scratch not the owners. Thats why your dog can be messed up and win a match over another dog that is not half as bad. Because the other did not scratch

Am i assuming all this correctly.

**Paybeskf** · 05-10-2008, 07:41 AM

yes...this a proper assumption. Scratching started (under cajun rules) after one of the dogs was called for a turn (literally turning away from the other dog as opposed to taking a hold with his mouth) The dog that was called for a turn then had to scratch to continue the match. He had a time limit in which he had to move to the other side and take hold of the other dog...if he didn't wish to continue the match was over. If the owner was to touch, push, etc. the dog would then be disqualified and lose either way.

A courtesy scratch was used to test gameness after a match was decided. After the match was decided a handler would ask for a courtesty screatch (as described above) just to see if his dog still had the will to continue...that's what happened in the situation that I posted in the other thread with Wallace's Toney. He was picked up from the fight by his owner, but made the courtesy scratch....

I can read that over and over again. Probably my favorite thing in the history section.

**ceagstuntee** · 05-10-2008, 07:57 AM

Good stuff SE

**Desflahd** · 05-10-2008, 08:49 AM

With regard to the owners not being allowed to push the dog into the scratch, the rules I've read say that the handler must hold the dog in front of the chest rather than by the hips, scruff, etc. That way, they're unable to give the dog a shove as they're letting it go.

**23InetrySypekek** · 10-21-2008, 11:48 PM

Can someone please explain what a scratch is in a fight.

can somone please explain what a fed is??

**L0KoxewQ** · 10-22-2008, 12:03 AM

can somone please explain what a fed is??

in what context?

My initial reaction is that fed means that I just gave food to my dog...

He was hungry, but now he's fed.

**23InetrySypekek** · 10-22-2008, 12:23 AM

fed as in if i was a fed id ask that type of question online and wait for a response

**spoddersedpn** · 10-22-2008, 12:45 AM

fed as in if i was a fed id ask that type of question online and wait for a response

What's your point?

**23InetrySypekek** · 10-22-2008, 01:09 AM

My Point Is U Idiots Get Online And Talk Reckless And Then Wanna Complain That People Are Out 2 Get This Breed Outlawd, Dont U Know Feds And Cops Get On Message Boards Looking For Stuff Like" Wat Is A Scratch", And From My Short Stay Here, I Ve Seen Come To The Conclusion That Most Of These People On Here Are Soccer Moms And Rookies Who Have No Idea About These Dogs, Ive Base That Statement On The Retarted Questions And Statements I Ve Read And All The Cut Dogs Ive Seen In Ur Pics, I Know Most Of U Will Say Wat Is A Cut Dog, Which Is Exactly My Point, If U Were A Real Dogman U Would Know

**PapsEdisa** · 10-22-2008, 01:21 AM

My Point Is U Idiots Get Online And Talk Reckless And Then Wanna Complain That People Are Out 2 Get This Breed Outlawd, Dont U Know Feds And Cops Get On Message Boards Looking For Stuff Like" Wat Is A Scratch", And From My Short Stay Here, I Ve Seen Come To The Conclusion That Most Of These People On Here Are Soccer Moms And Rookies Who Have No Idea About These Dogs, Ive Base That Statement On The Retarted Questions And Statements I Ve Read And All The Cut Dogs Ive Seen In Ur Pics, I Know Most Of U Will Say Wat Is A Cut Dog, Which Is Exactly My Point, If U Were A Real Dogman U Would Know

wow buddy. Giving the definition of a word does not make anyone a law breaker. How many dictionary publishers have gone to jail for publishing the definition of "murder"?

No one said a single thing about modern day anything. Everything has been said in a historical context.

ETA: and why do you think people here want to educate others about the history of the breed? It's not so we can all be soccer mom's w/ our "pitties", not knowing about their history. You're at the same time bashing what you're claiming we don't know about.

**L0KoxewQ** · 10-22-2008, 01:40 AM

who claimed to be a dogman? I certainly am not. If you're curious there is a thread on this board about what makes a dogman, or earns an individual the title. You can use the search feature to read and comment in that thrad as well.

I wouldn't ask what a cut dog is because...that would cause me to somehow bait you into answering. If that was some "knowledge" that you're pretending to have by your status as a dogman I'd suggest you keep it to yourself. Afterall...the feds are watching.

My Point Is U Idiots Get Online And Talk Reckless And Then Wanna Complain That People Are Out 2 Get This Breed Outlawd, Dont U Know Feds And Cops Get On Message Boards Looking For Stuff Like" Wat Is A Scratch", And From My Short Stay Here, I Ve Seen Come To The Conclusion That Most Of These People On Here Are Soccer Moms And Rookies Who Have No Idea About These Dogs, Ive Base That Statement On The Retarted Questions And Statements I Ve Read And All The Cut Dogs Ive Seen In Ur Pics, I Know Most Of U Will Say Wat Is A Cut Dog, Which Is Exactly My Point, If U Were A Real Dogman U Would Know

**drexigordiche** · 10-22-2008, 01:40 AM

Yeah, I gave a definition of what it meant. Also, SE gave an account from when it was legal.

No one said "well, when my dogs in the pit..."

We gave a definition of a word. Nothing illegal or revealing about that.

I am definitely NOT a Dogwoman, and I consider myself a student of the breed. I am what you would call a "Pet Bull" owner.

**L0KoxewQ** · 10-22-2008, 01:46 AM

If U Were A Real Dogman U Would Know

who claimed to be a dogman? I certainly am not.

@ blowhard1980:

oh, what the heck...I'll save you the effort of searching. Here's a link to the discussion on what makes a good dogman...feel free to add something.

http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=14295

**U2DnBGFE** · 10-22-2008, 01:51 AM

Blowhard 1980... dude if you think the feds haven't moved beyond searching internet forums for "red flags" like scratch, roll, 1xw, otc, etc etc.... you've got some learning of your own to do...

**Speareerfug** · 10-22-2008, 02:10 AM

in what context?

My initial reaction is that fed means that I just gave food to my dog...

He was hungry, but now he's fed.

Screamin... you crack me up!!!!

**loginereQQ** · 10-22-2008, 04:19 AM

Damn i didnt know me asking this would spark such a reaction. i was reading up and i couldnt understand what scratching meant. I am not a 'FED' as i live in South Africa.LOL.

It would have been pointless not for me to ask something i dont know. I am here to learn and be educated.

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02-11-2008, 04:30 AM	#2
drexigordiche Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 472 Senior Member	I hope I explain this correctly. There are lines that a dog must cross, by crossing the line, the dog is "saying" he/she is willing to fight. When the dog crosses that line it is referred to as scratching. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-11-2008, 04:49 AM	#3
loginereQQ Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 481 Senior Member	is the dog trained to cross that line in fights. or is it up to the dog at that time. i read the rules of the pit posted by Se. so i am assuming thats why a second is not allowed to pick up a dog? So i am assuming the dog at that time makes the choice to scratch not the owners. Thats why your dog can be messed up and win a match over another dog that is not half as bad. Because the other did not scratch Am i assuming all this correctly. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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02-11-2008, 04:58 AM	#4
drexigordiche Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 472 Senior Member	The dog isn't trained to do it. That is where the courage comes in. If the dog doesn't scratch (from my understanding), there is no match. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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03-10-2008, 02:35 PM	#5
L0KoxewQ Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 411 Senior Member	yes...this a proper assumption. Scratching started (under cajun rules) after one of the dogs was called for a turn (literally turning away from the other dog as opposed to taking a hold with his mouth) The dog that was called for a turn then had to scratch to continue the match. He had a time limit in which he had to move to the other side and take hold of the other dog...if he didn't wish to continue the match was over. If the owner was to touch, push, etc. the dog would then be disqualified and lose either way. A courtesy scratch was used to test gameness after a match was decided. After the match was decided a handler would ask for a courtesty screatch (as described above) just to see if his dog still had the will to continue...that's what happened in the situation that I posted in the other thread with Wallace's Toney. He was picked up from the fight by his owner, but made the courtesy scratch.... is the dog trained to cross that line in fights. or is it up to the dog at that time. i read the rules of the pit posted by Se. so i am assuming thats why a second is not allowed to pick up a dog? So i am assuming the dog at that time makes the choice to scratch not the owners. Thats why your dog can be messed up and win a match over another dog that is not half as bad. Because the other did not scratch Am i assuming all this correctly. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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05-10-2008, 07:41 AM	#6
Paybeskf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 509 Senior Member	yes...this a proper assumption. Scratching started (under cajun rules) after one of the dogs was called for a turn (literally turning away from the other dog as opposed to taking a hold with his mouth) The dog that was called for a turn then had to scratch to continue the match. He had a time limit in which he had to move to the other side and take hold of the other dog...if he didn't wish to continue the match was over. If the owner was to touch, push, etc. the dog would then be disqualified and lose either way. A courtesy scratch was used to test gameness after a match was decided. After the match was decided a handler would ask for a courtesty screatch (as described above) just to see if his dog still had the will to continue...that's what happened in the situation that I posted in the other thread with Wallace's Toney. He was picked up from the fight by his owner, but made the courtesy scratch.... I can read that over and over again. Probably my favorite thing in the history section. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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05-10-2008, 07:57 AM	#7
ceagstuntee Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 421 Senior Member	Good stuff SE Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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05-10-2008, 08:49 AM	#8
Desflahd Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 660 Senior Member	With regard to the owners not being allowed to push the dog into the scratch, the rules I've read say that the handler must hold the dog in front of the chest rather than by the hips, scruff, etc. That way, they're unable to give the dog a shove as they're letting it go. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-21-2008, 11:48 PM	#9
23InetrySypekek Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 516 Senior Member	Can someone please explain what a scratch is in a fight. can somone please explain what a fed is?? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-22-2008, 12:03 AM	#10
L0KoxewQ Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 411 Senior Member	can somone please explain what a fed is?? in what context? My initial reaction is that fed means that I just gave food to my dog... He was hungry, but now he's fed. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-22-2008, 12:23 AM	#11
23InetrySypekek Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 516 Senior Member	fed as in if i was a fed id ask that type of question online and wait for a response Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-22-2008, 12:45 AM	#12
spoddersedpn Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 613 Senior Member	fed as in if i was a fed id ask that type of question online and wait for a response What's your point? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-22-2008, 01:09 AM	#13
23InetrySypekek Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 516 Senior Member	My Point Is U Idiots Get Online And Talk Reckless And Then Wanna Complain That People Are Out 2 Get This Breed Outlawd, Dont U Know Feds And Cops Get On Message Boards Looking For Stuff Like" Wat Is A Scratch", And From My Short Stay Here, I Ve Seen Come To The Conclusion That Most Of These People On Here Are Soccer Moms And Rookies Who Have No Idea About These Dogs, Ive Base That Statement On The Retarted Questions And Statements I Ve Read And All The Cut Dogs Ive Seen In Ur Pics, I Know Most Of U Will Say Wat Is A Cut Dog, Which Is Exactly My Point, If U Were A Real Dogman U Would Know Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-22-2008, 01:21 AM	#14
PapsEdisa Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 545 Senior Member	My Point Is U Idiots Get Online And Talk Reckless And Then Wanna Complain That People Are Out 2 Get This Breed Outlawd, Dont U Know Feds And Cops Get On Message Boards Looking For Stuff Like" Wat Is A Scratch", And From My Short Stay Here, I Ve Seen Come To The Conclusion That Most Of These People On Here Are Soccer Moms And Rookies Who Have No Idea About These Dogs, Ive Base That Statement On The Retarted Questions And Statements I Ve Read And All The Cut Dogs Ive Seen In Ur Pics, I Know Most Of U Will Say Wat Is A Cut Dog, Which Is Exactly My Point, If U Were A Real Dogman U Would Know wow buddy. Giving the definition of a word does not make anyone a law breaker. How many dictionary publishers have gone to jail for publishing the definition of "murder"? No one said a single thing about modern day anything. Everything has been said in a historical context. ETA: and why do you think people here want to educate others about the history of the breed? It's not so we can all be soccer mom's w/ our "pitties", not knowing about their history. You're at the same time bashing what you're claiming we don't know about. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-22-2008, 01:40 AM	#15
L0KoxewQ Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 411 Senior Member	who claimed to be a dogman? I certainly am not. If you're curious there is a thread on this board about what makes a dogman, or earns an individual the title. You can use the search feature to read and comment in that thrad as well. I wouldn't ask what a cut dog is because...that would cause me to somehow bait you into answering. If that was some "knowledge" that you're pretending to have by your status as a dogman I'd suggest you keep it to yourself. Afterall...the feds are watching. My Point Is U Idiots Get Online And Talk Reckless And Then Wanna Complain That People Are Out 2 Get This Breed Outlawd, Dont U Know Feds And Cops Get On Message Boards Looking For Stuff Like" Wat Is A Scratch", And From My Short Stay Here, I Ve Seen Come To The Conclusion That Most Of These People On Here Are Soccer Moms And Rookies Who Have No Idea About These Dogs, Ive Base That Statement On The Retarted Questions And Statements I Ve Read And All The Cut Dogs Ive Seen In Ur Pics, I Know Most Of U Will Say Wat Is A Cut Dog, Which Is Exactly My Point, If U Were A Real Dogman U Would Know Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-22-2008, 01:46 AM	#17
L0KoxewQ Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 411 Senior Member	If U Were A Real Dogman U Would Know who claimed to be a dogman? I certainly am not. @ blowhard1980: oh, what the heck...I'll save you the effort of searching. Here's a link to the discussion on what makes a good dogman...feel free to add something. http://www.pitbull-chat.com/showthread.php?t=14295 Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-22-2008, 01:51 AM	#18
U2DnBGFE Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 901 Senior Member	Blowhard 1980... dude if you think the feds haven't moved beyond searching internet forums for "red flags" like scratch, roll, 1xw, otc, etc etc.... you've got some learning of your own to do... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-22-2008, 02:10 AM	#19
Speareerfug Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 475 Senior Member	in what context? My initial reaction is that fed means that I just gave food to my dog... He was hungry, but now he's fed. Screamin... you crack me up!!!! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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10-22-2008, 04:19 AM	#20
loginereQQ Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 481 Senior Member	Damn i didnt know me asking this would spark such a reaction. i was reading up and i couldnt understand what scratching meant. I am not a 'FED' as i live in South Africa.LOL. It would have been pointless not for me to ask something i dont know. I am here to learn and be educated. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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