[xIuvyAuT]

I can't see any real problems with going and staying on Mars other than the dire financial state of the world right now.
I'm also in favour of sending explorers there as we're already seen a bit through the various rovers & machines, but a human on the spot could do so much more, faster, and better.

(And as predicted, the ignore list is getting a working out)

Bill ol fella, whether you ignore me or not is of no consequence to me. I ignore no one. I am far better then that.

[Vikonbarius]

count me in for it bill- i'd be happy to get to another planet- even if it was only one way.. give me comms and an unlimited net connection- id be there in a flash... seriously- not even a second thought- give me a ticket... Ditto. But not sparky stuff. I'd be measuring the solar wind and zodiacal light, and taking astronomical observations in ultraviolet.

[xIuvyAuT]

Ditto. But not sparky stuff. I'd be measuring the solar wind and zodiacal light, and taking astronomical observations in ultraviolet.

We did discuss the "one way" venture to Mars at the old place.
A point I think all agree on is that they would have more then enough takers, and some serious sifting of the applications would be needed.
My previous position of not volunteering is solely on family grounds, and that decision would probably be taken with quite a heavy heart.
If it was not for family concerns, I would be among the first applicants.


Let's say the first settlers arrived and after say 10 years were brought back to Earth.
What if any changes would we see in them?
After such a long period would they be able to live on Earth again without any problem?

[Vikonbarius]

> Ditto. But not sparky stuff. I'd be measuring the solar wind and zodiacal light, and taking astronomical observations in ultraviolet.

Nearly missed a unique opportunity there. Astronomy has a huge blind spot - daytime. The blind spot affects space telescopes in orbit around the Earth and Moon as well as on the surface on the Earth. On a manned trip to the planets we could see behind the Sun to:
1) Track semi-regular variable stars like Betelgeuse.
2) Observe novas and supernovas.
3) Observe comets and near-earth asteroids.

It'd be a shame if we missed a deadly comet or supernova because the Sun was in the way, wouldn't it? That's what I'd be looking at the whole journey.

[xIuvyAuT]

> Ditto. But not sparky stuff. I'd be measuring the solar wind and zodiacal light, and taking astronomical observations in ultraviolet.

Nearly missed a unique opportunity there. Astronomy has a huge blind spot - daytime. The blind spot affects space telescopes in orbit around the Earth and Moon as well as on the surface on the Earth. On a manned trip to the planets we could see behind the Sun to:
1) Track semi-regular variable stars like Betelgeuse.
2) Observe novas and supernovas.
3) Observe comets and near-earth asteroids.

It'd be a shame if we missed a deadly comet or supernova because the Sun was in the way, wouldn't it? That's what I'd be looking at the whole journey.

While in agreement molly, those issues you mention are just a part of many reasons why we should be undertaking something like this as soon as possible.....
But as with other similar ventures, while they are talking about it, there's always a chance.

[broksaksaak]

mars one should team up with the mars society though i think the members of the mars society want to come back. have i mentioned that if anyone is interested in the logistics of sending people to and settling mars then zubrins a case for mars is a good read. it has very realistic scenarios in it.

[masterso]

count me in for it bill- i'd be happy to get to another planet- even if it was only one way..

give me comms and an unlimited net connection- id be there in a flash...

(and I would even do some sparky stuff if they really wanted me to.... LOL

seriously- not even a second thought- give me a ticket...

I have a suspicion that the people that would immediately 'sign up' to a mission like this would be the first to be omitted from the selection process.

[xIuvyAuT]

I have a suspicion that the people that would immediately 'sign up' to a mission like this would be the first to be omitted from the selection process.

Not all...Some maybe....but we also have heaps of scientists that would trip you up in the queue to be on board.....

[masterso]

Not all...Some maybe....but we also have heaps of scientists that would trip you up in the queue to be on board.....

Maybe... But I couldn't see them letting anyone with a formal relationship or children go on a one way mission... there would also have to be a wide range of selection criteria... I think it would have to be a very specific personality type that would enable someone to separate themselves from any likelihood of a 'normal' life here in Earth.

[xIuvyAuT]

Maybe... But I couldn't see them letting anyone with a formal relationship or children go on a one way mission... there would also have to be a wide range of selection criteria... I think it would have to be a very specific personality type that would enable someone to separate themselves from any likelihood of a 'normal' life here in Earth.

That's why I dipped out early in the thread...family concerns that is.

[masterso]

That's why I dipped out early in the thread...family concerns that is.

The thing is... I think the sorts of traits it would require are probably too antisocial to facilitate normal (long term) group function anyway...

[Goodwin]

Would a significantly stronger Mars magnetosphere effect it's weather or atmosphere in any way?

[Goodwin]

http://gizmag.us1.list-manage1.com/t...1&e=ff8d591dfb

How to bake bread in space

[xIuvyAuT]

One-Way Mission to Mars: US Soldiers Will Go
by NANCY ATKINSON on MAY 26, 2008


An article published on Universe Today back in March of this year detailing former NASA engineer Jim McLane’s idea for on a one-way, one-person mission to Mars generated a lot of interest. The many comments on the subject posted here on UT and numerous other websites such as ABC News ranged from full support to complete disbelief of the idea. McLane’s concept has literally gone around the world, and a journalist from Spain, Javier Yanes who writes for the newspaper Publico shared with me his correspondence with a US soldier stationed in Afghanistan, who says that battle-hardened soldiers would be the perfect choice to send on a mission of no return to a new world. SFC William H. Ruth III says he and the men in the 101st Airborne Division are ready and willing to go.
SFC Ruth wrote, “While reading Jim McLane and Nancy Atkinson thoughts on Space Colonization, I started to realize that we have lost our way. We have become so consumed by petty differences and dislikes of others that we all have forgotten our pre destiny of something better.”
And what is the ‘something better’ that Ruth envisions? Military personnel from different countries joining together to make “the ultimate sacrifice” of forging the way to establish an outpost on another world, like Mars.

“Here is an out of the box idea ” Ruth writes. “Let the heroes of our countries, for once, risk the ultimate sacrifice for something greater than one man idea. Maybe once let these men and woman that rise every morning and say ˜today I will stand for something and say evil will not prevail, not on my watch. For once let them volunteer for us all, you never know, mankind, the human race. It might just catch on if we let it.”

Ruth continues, “Will we falter at a hint of death or danger? Or will we do now what so many in â˜ALL’ of the world’s history has done before us. NASA of all thinking societies should understand this. Would there even be an America or NASA if a man named Columbus had not pursued a dangerous and possibly deadly voyage to a new world? He certainly had to consider whether or not he would ever return home to see all those he loved so dearly. But what of those aboard his ships, those that left Spain knowing that they would never return. Those few that willingly risked all for the chance at a new world and a new future, could they have possibly known what effects they would have had on the future due to their sacrifices? Now can we have enough vision to see our destiny, can we, for a moment, see past our petty differences of race and religion to see peace, prosperity and possibly a new world.”




Ruth says 15 years in the military has prepared him for such a mission. “So I am no fool and I am no stranger to what some might call high risks,” he says. “Hundreds of thousands of fighting men and woman from around this world have walked, rode, swam and even jumped into what some would call a high risk situation. Some even considered suicide missions, ones with low probability of success. And why, what did they risk all for? Each and every one of us, even those throughout this earth that has made that choice, risk all for what we believed would make our world better.”




Ruth first began pondering such a mission after reading a quote by Stephen Hawking on Space.com: “The discovery of the New World made a profound difference on the old,” Hawking said. “Spreading out into space will have an even greater effect. It will completely change the future of the human race, and maybe determine whether we have any future at all.”

Ruth sent an email to Space.com’s Anthony Duignan-Cabrera, which was posted on the LiveScience blog: “Here is an idea: Send battle-hardened, strong-minded soldiers and marines on the long trips into space. We are conditioned to live with the bare minimal (of) lifes necessities and are trained to be prepared for the worst conditions that any environment could throw at us. Hell, me and my men will go, set up a colony somewhere and await colonists to arrive.”
Javier Yanes read Ruth’s proposition and contacted him, sending him the link to the Universe Today article with McLane’s idea.

Ruth responded by sending Yanes a written statement called “A Soldier’s Perspective;,” Yanes wrote an article about Ruth in Publico, and shared Ruth’s proposal and pictures with me.
Ruth doesn’t agree with McLane’s idea of a one-person mission to Mars, but supports the one-way idea.
“I fully agree with NASA and others that it is completely dangerous and potentially deadly for anyone who sets out on this voyage,” he wrote. “But since when has that ever stopped anyone? A one way trip is the way to go about this, it is a proven fact of human history that when the human species is thrown into a no alternative situation, that they will prevail and survive.

The military would never send someone out alone, and Ruth thinks a multiple ship mission is the way to proceed, with three to four smaller vessels, with four to six crew members each.
Ruth admits that other might see sending soldiers into space as more like an invasion or occupation than exploration. “To those who share this concern, consider this for a moment and ask yourself, who else?” Ruth asked. “Who else has the mentality to volunteer to face certain danger and possibly death, thousands of miles away from their homes? I could think of a few hundred thousand that do it everyday across this planet.”
Ruth says that getting the worlds militaries involved with something other than making war with each other could change humanity’s future for the better.
“I wonder who will be the first to extend the hand of complete partnership, representing the whole human species?” Ruth asks. “Could this be the answer that so many have searched for? Could this one thing unite humanity in a new era of global cooperation and a new planetary respect for human life, unlike we know it today? My answers ask me again when we reached the new world!”







http://www.universetoday.com/14544/o...diers-will-go/

[Edqpdnuu]

Plus if we find anything hostile out there, who better to fight it.

[BokerokyBan]

Will they be wearing red sweaters?

[xIuvyAuT]

Great Idea I reckon....
Not sure who raised the rather silly notion of a one man trip to Mars though....


Who better to prepare for possible permanent human habitation then military people who have at least the training and obviously fitness.


Apologies for the squiggly bits that were originally in the article....I hope I have removed them all.

[xIuvyAuT]

In actual fact if volunteers were asked for, to go on a one way manned Mars mission, they would be killed in the rush by the ordinary Joe Blows..

[Edqpdnuu]

Not sure they'd have the mental aptitude though.

[xIuvyAuT]

Not sure they'd have the mental aptitude though.

Some would, some wouldn't obviously.