[Fededorbprago]

I'm puzzled about a phenomenon... A 47 story steel skyscraper collapses into its own foot print in under 7 seconds. Molten metal is found at the base of the collapsed structure and the final report issued by NIST says the collapse was all due to office fires. Now to me that does not add up....

[CtEkM8Vq]

Try reading a non-conspiracy theory website.

There are not many offices built over a huge cavity(railway station), and that have large diesel tanks in them(back up generator fuel).

Don't be sucked in by the false logic of "You can't explain all the details therefore my looney ghost martian theory must be correct".

[CtEkM8Vq]

Don't forget that it had been hit by a falling 100 storey building.

And did I mention that looney conspiracy theory websites love making stuff up.

[CtEkM8Vq]

debunking911.com/

[Fededorbprago]

Don't forget that it had been hit by a falling 100 storey building.

And did I mention that looney conspiracy theory websites love making stuff up.

Conspiracy theory? What are you talking about?

[CtEkM8Vq]

A lot of conspiracy nutters claim that wtc7 was brought down by explosives. Anyone who knows anything about actual controlled demolitions knows that it could not be done as claimed. It was hit by a falling building and burned for hours before one of the main supporting beams expanded in the heat enough to push the vertical load off to the side of the supporting column.

Once the first one caved in, the rest followed like a house of cards.


If you want to learn a bit more about it, read this.

wikipedia/Wtc7

[Fededorbprago]

So one column 'expanded' and then 'pushed' against all the other supporting column(s) and this caused a total symmetrical collapse...
Oh ok... So how did the steel melt again?

[Acrogeokickic]

I'm puzzled about a phenomenon... A 47 story steel skyscraper collapses into its own foot print in under 7 seconds. Molten metal is found at the base of the collapsed structure and the final report issued by NIST says the collapse was all due to office fires. Now to me that does not add up....

Credible evidence that there actually was molten steel would be a good start.

http://911myths.com/html/wtc_molten_steel.html

[Plulpangepler]

The most important thing anyone should do before commenting is to make sure they are familiar with the collapse of WTC 7, here is a compilation of news footage and other videos of the collapse:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atbrn4k55lA

Try reading a non-conspiracy theory website.

There are not many offices built over a huge cavity(railway station), and that have large diesel tanks in them(back up generator fuel).

Wtc 7 had a power substation under it iirc, either way it is not considered by anyone to be relevant to the collapse, nor is the diesel (Anyone that is except for those "debunkers" who will do anything to try and muddy the water, both these issues are considered irrelevant by NIST)

Once the first one caved in, the rest followed like a house of cards.

Only it wasn't a house of cards, nor a jenga set, it was a modern steel framed skyscraper where all the columns and beams are connected with thousands of structural bolts and/or welds. It had no ability to collapse like a house of cards.

This idea that it was a house of cards, or like a big tent with a critical column is completely nonsensical.

Anyone who knows anything about actual controlled demolitions knows that it could not be done as claimed.

LOL, really all people need to do is look at the collapse and they will see how absurd this statement is. The only completely independent* expert I know of to look at WTC7's collapse is Danny Jowenko, a European demolition expert, and he said (paraphrasing) "this is controlled demolition"... "absolutely, it's been imploded".

*Danny Jowenko was "independent" because he hadn't seen the collapse of WTC7 before being interviewed, therefore he was not taking sides nor had he analysed the implications of what he was saying, he was merely giving his expert opinion on the collapse.

[Ndptbudd]

The most important thing anyone should do before commenting is to make sure they are familiar with the collapse of WTC 7, here is a compilation of news footage and other videos of the collapse:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Atbrn4k55lA




Wtc 7 had a power substation under it iirc, either way it is not considered by anyone to be relevant to the collapse, nor is the diesel (Anyone that is except for those "debunkers" who will do anything to try and muddy the water, both these issues are considered irrelevant by NIST)



Only it wasn't a house of cards, nor a jenga set, it was a modern steel framed skyscraper where all the columns and beams are connected with thousands of structural bolts and/or welds. It had no ability to collapse like a house of cards.

This idea that it was a house of cards, or like a big tent with a critical column is completely nonsensical.



LOL, really all people need to do is look at the collapse and they will see how absurd this statement is. The only completely independent* expert I know of to look at WTC7's collapse is Danny Jowenko, a European demolition expert, and he said (paraphrasing) "this is controlled demolition"... "absolutely, it's been imploded".

*Danny Jowenko was "independent" because he hadn't seen the collapse of WTC7 before being interviewed, therefore he was not taking sides nor had he analysed the implications of what he was saying, he was merely giving his expert opinion on the collapse.

Danny is certainly "independent" now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5mwr4LYhV0

[Plulpangepler]

Credible evidence that there actually was molten steel would be a good start.

Apart from the evidence presented in your link, which along with other evidence presents a compelling case that there was molten steel in the basements of the twin towers, there is also this documented piece of steel from FEMA
The results of the examination are striking. They reveal a phenomenon never before observed in building fires: eutectic reactions, which caused "intergranular melting capable of turning a solid steel girder into Swiss cheese.... Evidence of a severe high temperature corrosion attack on the steel, including oxidation and sulfidation."

Handguns encased in molten concrete on 9/11 (not molten steel, but relevant)

[arindiruppyr]

The most important thing anyone should do before commenting is to

...read all of the other threads on the topic to make sure we stop repeating the same old arguments.

[Plulpangepler]

Danny is certainly "independent" now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5mwr4LYhV0

One striking thing about Danny's 'car accident' is that there seems to be no investigation at the crash scene, no markers put out, no painting on the road etc etc. Very unusual for an accident where someone died.

Dunno what the story is there, but the two highest profile people wrt wtc7 have both "died", Danny Jowenko and Barry Jennings (barry jennings was in wtc7 and witnessed explosions inside the building well befor the collapse). It is widely believed that Barry Jennings actually disappeared into some sort of witness protection scheme, hopefully the same is true of Danny Jowenko.

Anyhow, golf calls.

[freflellalafe]

Yes, thousands of charges were set in the building , drilled into walls and beams, wall dovering removed to gain access to the structure, in the months before hand, and nobody saw them.

[Fededorbprago]

Yes, thousands of charges were set in the building , drilled into walls and beams, wall dovering removed to gain access to the structure, in the months before hand, and nobody saw them.

The question was how did a steel frame skyscraper collapse in under 7 seconds and how was molten metal produced in an office fire? Mindless rambling isn't answering the question at hand.

[Fededorbprago]

Credible evidence that there actually was molten steel would be a good start.

http://911myths.com/html/wtc_molten_steel.html

Captain Philip Rolvolo
Richard Riggs
Ken Holden
Leslie Robertson
Just to name a few witnessed molten metal.
Photo in the FIOA#32 Release from NIST showed melted beams.
So my questions again how does molten metal and melted beams melt in an office fire?
I would take heed in your Grammar wisdom...

[arindiruppyr]

Captain Philip Rolvolo
Richard Riggs
Ken Holden
Leslie Robertson
Just to name a few witnessed molten metal.
Photo in the FIOA#32 Release from NIST showed melted beams.
So my questions again how does molten metal and melted beams melt in an office fire?

Without researching the molten metal, I can suggest two mechanisms. Firstly, office fires in buildings designed in a certain way burn much hotter than open air fires from the same materials. Central air conditioning shafts result in increased air flow and increased fire temperatures. Secondly, structural collapse will cause serious deformation of support structures causing extreme heating and plastic behaviour, resulting in either molten steel or steel acting as if it is molten.

[Fededorbprago]

Without researching the molten metal, I can suggest two mechanisms. Firstly, office fires in buildings designed in a certain way burn much hotter than open air fires from the same materials. Central air conditioning shafts result in increased air flow and increased fire temperatures. Secondly, structural collapse will cause serious deformation of support structures causing extreme heating and plastic behaviour, resulting in either molten steel or steel acting as if it is molten.

Air conditioning ducting 'air' to an open fire.... Will not produce fires any hotter. That is completely ridiculous.
'Plastic' or bending of steel does not produce molten metal. That is completely false.

[Forex Autopilot]

Air conditioning ducting 'air' to an open fire.... Will not produce fires any hotter. That is completely ridiculous.

So how do you think blacksmith bellows work then?

[CtEkM8Vq]

ROHZS, what sort of evidence would it take for you to accept that it was just a building that burnt out of control for many hours and then structurally collapsed due to the intense heat?