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**geraint.faughn** · 08-03-2012, 02:51 PM

China to land first moon probe next year
by Staff Writers
Beijing (AFP) July 31, 2012

China has said it will land an exploratory craft on the moon for the first time next year, as part of an ambitious space programme that includes a long-term plan to put a man on the moon.

China's third lunar probe will blast off in the second half of 2013 and attempt to land and transmit back a survey of the moon's surface, state television reported late Monday.

If it succeeds, experts said it would be the first craft to land on the moon as part of a mission -- as opposed to performing a controlled crash landing at the end of one -- since the Soviet space programme achieved the feat in the 1970s.

"They (China) want a space programme that can be considered one of the finest in the world," said Morris Jones, an independent space analyst based in Sydney, Australia.

"If you want to be world leader in space, then you have to do missions like this."

The landing planned for next year would be China's first on the lunar surface and mark a new milestone in its space development. It is part of a project to orbit, land on and return from the moon, the official Xinhua news agency said.

Beijing sees its multi-billion-dollar space programme as a symbol of its rising global stature, growing technical expertise, and the Communist Party's success in turning around the fortunes of the once poverty-stricken nation.

The Asian superpower has been ramping up its manned activities as the United States, long the leader in the field, has scaled back some of its programmes, such as retiring its iconic space shuttle fleet.

In its last white paper on space, China said it was working towards landing a man on the moon -- a feat so far only achieved by the United States, most recently in 1972 -- although it did not give a time frame.

It has spent about 39 billion yuan ($6.1 billion) on its manned space programme since it began 20 years ago, state media have said.

Most recently, a 13-day voyage of the Shenzhou-9 spacecraft became China's longest-ever space mission and was notable for including the nation's first woman astronaut among its three-member crew.

The crew also achieved China's first manual docking with an orbital module, the Tiangong-1, a highly complex manoeuvre first conducted by the Americans in the 1960s and essential to building a permanent manned space station.

The first key achievement in that programme came in 1999 with the launch of the unmanned Shenzhou-1 craft.

Two years later, Shenzhou-2 lifted off carrying small animals, and in 2003, China sent its first man into space. Since then, it has completed a space walk in 2008 and an unmanned docking between a module and rocket last year.

Next year's planned lunar probe launch will follow the Chang'e 1 in 2007 and Chang'e 2 in 2010, both named for the Chinese goddess of the moon.

Xinhua quoted the State Administration of Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense as saying the project was proceeding smoothly.

"I think it's well within China's capability and budget," Chen Lan, an independent space analyst, told AFP of next year's planned mission.

He said, however, that the third stage that calls for landing and then returning from the moon would require further technical progress in launch capability.

Chen said he envisions a timeframe of 2015-2016 for China to be ready to carry out that mission. But he did not see a manned mission to the moon as China's near-term objective.

"It's not a technical decision," he said. "It's a political decision."

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Ch..._year_999.html

**geraint.faughn** · 08-03-2012, 02:51 PM

India set to launch Mars mission in 2013
by Staff Writers
Bangalore, India (AFP) Aug 2, 2012

India plans to launch a mission to Mars next year, putting an orbital probe around the red planet to study its climate and geology, top space department officials said on Thursday.

The mission would mark another step in India's ambitious space programme, which envisages the Asian giant's first manned mission in 2016.

"We will embark on the Mars mission after the Department of Science gives the green signal and decides the schedule early next year," Deviprasad Karnik, director of the state-run Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) told AFP.

A 320-tonne Indian Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle rocket will be used to carry the orbiter spaceship, blasting off from the ISRO launch site at Sriharikota in the southern state of Andhra Pradesh.

Another senior official at ISRO, requesting anonymity, estimated the cost of the mission at 4.0-5.0 billion rupees ($70-90 million dollars).

The central government earmarked 1.25 billion rupees for the project in the last federal budget.

India began its space programme in 1963 and has developed its own satellites and launch vehicles to cut dependence on overseas agencies.

In September, 2009, India's Chandrayaan-1 satellite discovered water on the moon, boosting the country's credibility among established space-faring nations.

But the space programme suffered a major setback in December 2010 when a satellite launch vehicle blew up and fell into the Bay of Bengal after veering from its intended flight path.

http://www.marsdaily.com/reports/Ind..._2013_999.html

**geraint.faughn** · 08-03-2012, 02:53 PM

Nice to see continued diversity in world space programs.
Congrats to both countries for their innovative outlook and efforts.

**FUNALA** · 08-03-2012, 02:56 PM

Meanwhile:

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politi...802-23iad.html

"WITH India having endured the world's largest blackout, there is still no clarity on the cause of the outage that disrupted essential services across half the country over two days this week.

The devastating effects of power failure were felt everywhere. Coalminers left gasping for breath in the chilled darkness of their pits, patients sweating in powerless hospitals and operations called off midway were part of the collage of a clueless India struggling to survive without electricity."

**geraint.faughn** · 08-03-2012, 03:04 PM

Meanwhile:

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politi...802-23iad.html

"WITH India having endured the world's largest blackout, there is still no clarity on the cause of the outage that disrupted essential services across half the country over two days this week.

The devastating effects of power failure were felt everywhere. Coalminers left gasping for breath in the chilled darkness of their pits, patients sweating in powerless hospitals and operations called off midway were part of the collage of a clueless India struggling to survive without electricity."

So?

Please check out "Defeating Dangerous Myths" thread.

**FUNALA** · 08-03-2012, 03:06 PM

Don't you see the incongruity of all this?

**BodoidearoLew** · 08-03-2012, 04:50 PM

Good for them both. I suggest we cut off our aid to both countries and redirect it to needy countries that do not have nukes and space programs.

**Gulauur** · 08-03-2012, 05:49 PM

Don't you see the incongruity of all this?

Countries should not be allowed to launch space exploration missions if they've experienced a blackout in the last [insert period of time]?

**broksaksaak** · 08-03-2012, 05:53 PM

Countries should not be allowed to launch space exploration missions if they've experienced a blackout in the last [insert period of time]? that rules out aus for we in the sw of wa had 81 hours without power. worse than india.

**FUNALA** · 08-03-2012, 06:33 PM

Countries should not be allowed to launch space exploration missions if they've experienced a blackout in the last [insert period of time]?

Countries should not be allowed to launch space exploration missions if they've experienced an inability to get their shit together on the ground?

**FUNALA** · 08-03-2012, 06:34 PM

that rules out aus for we in the sw of wa had 81 hours without power. worse than india.

There are 600 million people in SW WA?

**usaguedriedax** · 08-03-2012, 06:36 PM

There are 600 million people in SW WA?

They're hiding amongst the trees and have no need for electricity. Dirty, smelly, hippies...

**broksaksaak** · 08-03-2012, 06:37 PM

There are 600 million people in SW WA? not quite but the percentages man, the percentages. 160 000 without power out of ~2mil.

**PapsEdisa** · 08-03-2012, 06:37 PM

They're hiding amongst the trees and have no need for electricity. Dirty, smelly, hippies...

I'm sorry... but that last bit made me laugh so hard that the cat thought i was having a coronary and came over to see if she could eat me yet...

**FUNALA** · 08-03-2012, 06:48 PM

not quite but the percentages man, the percentages. 160 000 without power out of ~2mil.

cf 600million out of 1.2 billion

http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-ne...led-its-people

**Alliopeti** · 08-03-2012, 06:52 PM

Countries should not be allowed to launch space exploration missions if they've experienced an inability to get their shit together on the ground?

They have no trouble getting "their shit together on the ground".
"Only 46.9% of the 246.6 million households have lavatories while 49.8% defecate in the open." from http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-17362837

And I agree with you 100%.

**geraint.faughn** · 08-03-2012, 07:07 PM

Countries should not be allowed to launch space exploration missions if they've experienced a blackout in the last [insert period of time]?

LOL!!!

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Countries should not be allowed to launch space exploration missions if they've experienced an inability to get their shit together on the ground?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
They have no trouble getting "their shit together on the ground".
"Only 46.9% of the 246.6 million households have lavatories while 49.8% defecate in the open." from http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-17362837

And I agree with you 100%.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>

Ahhhh...the bleeding hearts and do gooders!
In reality I would have some sympathy with this line of thinking, if I knew the contributors were genuine with their remarks

See the "Defeating dangerous myths" thread

Most of course wish China and India all the best with their space endeavours....It's a long term outlook of course that could cure what Earthly problems they do have.

**Buyingtime** · 08-04-2012, 03:58 AM

> Nice to see continued diversity in world space programs.

The Malaysian space agency has been doing a great job recently.

Ditto Iran.

**Alliopeti** · 08-04-2012, 06:10 AM

B.C.,

I post honestly and mean what I post. So I find your comment,

. . .if I knew the contributors were genuine with their remarks

disrespectful and offensive.

**FUNALA** · 08-04-2012, 01:11 PM

B.C.,

I post honestly and mean what I post. So I find your comment,
disrespectful and offensive.

ditto

08-03-2012, 02:51 PM	#1
geraint.faughn Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 443 Senior Member	China and India China to land first moon probe next year by Staff Writers Beijing (AFP) July 31, 2012 China has said it will land an exploratory craft on the moon for the first time next year, as part of an ambitious space programme that includes a long-term plan to put a man on the moon. China's third lunar probe will blast off in the second half of 2013 and attempt to land and transmit back a survey of the moon's surface, state television reported late Monday. If it succeeds, experts said it would be the first craft to land on the moon as part of a mission -- as opposed to performing a controlled crash landing at the end of one -- since the Soviet space programme achieved the feat in the 1970s. "They (China) want a space programme that can be considered one of the finest in the world," said Morris Jones, an independent space analyst based in Sydney, Australia. "If you want to be world leader in space, then you have to do missions like this." The landing planned for next year would be China's first on the lunar surface and mark a new milestone in its space development. It is part of a project to orbit, land on and return from the moon, the official Xinhua news agency said. Beijing sees its multi-billion-dollar space programme as a symbol of its rising global stature, growing technical expertise, and the Communist Party's success in turning around the fortunes of the once poverty-stricken nation. The Asian superpower has been ramping up its manned activities as the United States, long the leader in the field, has scaled back some of its programmes, such as retiring its iconic space shuttle fleet. In its last white paper on space, China said it was working towards landing a man on the moon -- a feat so far only achieved by the United States, most recently in 1972 -- although it did not give a time frame. It has spent about 39 billion yuan ($6.1 billion) on its manned space programme since it began 20 years ago, state media have said. Most recently, a 13-day voyage of the Shenzhou-9 spacecraft became China's longest-ever space mission and was notable for including the nation's first woman astronaut among its three-member crew. The crew also achieved China's first manual docking with an orbital module, the Tiangong-1, a highly complex manoeuvre first conducted by the Americans in the 1960s and essential to building a permanent manned space station. The first key achievement in that programme came in 1999 with the launch of the unmanned Shenzhou-1 craft. Two years later, Shenzhou-2 lifted off carrying small animals, and in 2003, China sent its first man into space. Since then, it has completed a space walk in 2008 and an unmanned docking between a module and rocket last year. Next year's planned lunar probe launch will follow the Chang'e 1 in 2007 and Chang'e 2 in 2010, both named for the Chinese goddess of the moon. Xinhua quoted the State Administration of Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense as saying the project was proceeding smoothly. "I think it's well within China's capability and budget," Chen Lan, an independent space analyst, told AFP of next year's planned mission. He said, however, that the third stage that calls for landing and then returning from the moon would require further technical progress in launch capability. Chen said he envisions a timeframe of 2015-2016 for China to be ready to carry out that mission. But he did not see a manned mission to the moon as China's near-term objective. "It's not a technical decision," he said. "It's a political decision." http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Ch..._year_999.html Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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geraint.faughn Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 443 Senior Member	India set to launch Mars mission in 2013 by Staff Writers Bangalore, India (AFP) Aug 2, 2012 India plans to launch a mission to Mars next year, putting an orbital probe around the red planet to study its climate and geology, top space department officials said on Thursday. The mission would mark another step in India's ambitious space programme, which envisages the Asian giant's first manned mission in 2016. "We will embark on the Mars mission after the Department of Science gives the green signal and decides the schedule early next year," Deviprasad Karnik, director of the state-run Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) told AFP. A 320-tonne Indian Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle rocket will be used to carry the orbiter spaceship, blasting off from the ISRO launch site at Sriharikota in the southern state of Andhra Pradesh. Another senior official at ISRO, requesting anonymity, estimated the cost of the mission at 4.0-5.0 billion rupees ($70-90 million dollars). The central government earmarked 1.25 billion rupees for the project in the last federal budget. India began its space programme in 1963 and has developed its own satellites and launch vehicles to cut dependence on overseas agencies. In September, 2009, India's Chandrayaan-1 satellite discovered water on the moon, boosting the country's credibility among established space-faring nations. But the space programme suffered a major setback in December 2010 when a satellite launch vehicle blew up and fell into the Bay of Bengal after veering from its intended flight path. http://www.marsdaily.com/reports/Ind..._2013_999.html Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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geraint.faughn Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 443 Senior Member	Nice to see continued diversity in world space programs. Congrats to both countries for their innovative outlook and efforts. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-03-2012, 02:56 PM	#4
FUNALA Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 539 Senior Member	Meanwhile: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politi...802-23iad.html "WITH India having endured the world's largest blackout, there is still no clarity on the cause of the outage that disrupted essential services across half the country over two days this week. The devastating effects of power failure were felt everywhere. Coalminers left gasping for breath in the chilled darkness of their pits, patients sweating in powerless hospitals and operations called off midway were part of the collage of a clueless India struggling to survive without electricity." Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-03-2012, 03:04 PM	#5
geraint.faughn Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 443 Senior Member	Meanwhile: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politi...802-23iad.html "WITH India having endured the world's largest blackout, there is still no clarity on the cause of the outage that disrupted essential services across half the country over two days this week. The devastating effects of power failure were felt everywhere. Coalminers left gasping for breath in the chilled darkness of their pits, patients sweating in powerless hospitals and operations called off midway were part of the collage of a clueless India struggling to survive without electricity." So? Please check out "Defeating Dangerous Myths" thread. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-03-2012, 03:06 PM	#6
FUNALA Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 539 Senior Member	Don't you see the incongruity of all this? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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BodoidearoLew Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 331 Senior Member	Good for them both. I suggest we cut off our aid to both countries and redirect it to needy countries that do not have nukes and space programs. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-03-2012, 05:49 PM	#8
Gulauur Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 595 Senior Member	Don't you see the incongruity of all this? Countries should not be allowed to launch space exploration missions if they've experienced a blackout in the last [insert period of time]? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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broksaksaak Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 565 Senior Member	Countries should not be allowed to launch space exploration missions if they've experienced a blackout in the last [insert period of time]? that rules out aus for we in the sw of wa had 81 hours without power. worse than india. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-03-2012, 06:33 PM	#10
FUNALA Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 539 Senior Member	Countries should not be allowed to launch space exploration missions if they've experienced a blackout in the last [insert period of time]? Countries should not be allowed to launch space exploration missions if they've experienced an inability to get their shit together on the ground? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-03-2012, 06:34 PM	#11
FUNALA Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 539 Senior Member	that rules out aus for we in the sw of wa had 81 hours without power. worse than india. There are 600 million people in SW WA? Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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usaguedriedax Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 596 Senior Member	There are 600 million people in SW WA? They're hiding amongst the trees and have no need for electricity. Dirty, smelly, hippies... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-03-2012, 06:37 PM	#13
broksaksaak Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 565 Senior Member	There are 600 million people in SW WA? not quite but the percentages man, the percentages. 160 000 without power out of ~2mil. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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PapsEdisa Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 545 Senior Member	They're hiding amongst the trees and have no need for electricity. Dirty, smelly, hippies... I'm sorry... but that last bit made me laugh so hard that the cat thought i was having a coronary and came over to see if she could eat me yet... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-03-2012, 06:48 PM	#15
FUNALA Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 539 Senior Member	not quite but the percentages man, the percentages. 160 000 without power out of ~2mil. cf 600million out of 1.2 billion http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-ne...led-its-people Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-03-2012, 06:52 PM	#16
Alliopeti Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 435 Senior Member	Countries should not be allowed to launch space exploration missions if they've experienced an inability to get their shit together on the ground? They have no trouble getting "their shit together on the ground". "Only 46.9% of the 246.6 million households have lavatories while 49.8% defecate in the open." from http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-17362837 And I agree with you 100%. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-03-2012, 07:07 PM	#17
geraint.faughn Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 443 Senior Member	Countries should not be allowed to launch space exploration missions if they've experienced a blackout in the last [insert period of time]? LOL!!! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Countries should not be allowed to launch space exploration missions if they've experienced an inability to get their shit together on the ground? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have no trouble getting "their shit together on the ground". "Only 46.9% of the 246.6 million households have lavatories while 49.8% defecate in the open." from http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-17362837 And I agree with you 100%. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ahhhh...the bleeding hearts and do gooders! In reality I would have some sympathy with this line of thinking, if I knew the contributors were genuine with their remarks See the "Defeating dangerous myths" thread Most of course wish China and India all the best with their space endeavours....It's a long term outlook of course that could cure what Earthly problems they do have. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-04-2012, 03:58 AM	#18
Buyingtime Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 557 Senior Member	> Nice to see continued diversity in world space programs. The Malaysian space agency has been doing a great job recently. Ditto Iran. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-04-2012, 06:10 AM	#19
Alliopeti Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 435 Senior Member	B.C., I post honestly and mean what I post. So I find your comment, . . .if I knew the contributors were genuine with their remarks disrespectful and offensive. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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08-04-2012, 01:11 PM	#20
FUNALA Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 539 Senior Member	B.C., I post honestly and mean what I post. So I find your comment, disrespectful and offensive. ditto Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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