[aliceingoogs]

The list so far:

100 - Michael Chang, M, USA
99 - Ann Haydon Jones, F, GBR
98 - Henry Bunny Austin, M, GBR
97 - Pat Cash, M, AUS
96 - Manuel Orantes, M, ESP
95 - Thomas Muster, M, AUT
94 - Andy Roddick, M, USA
93 - Nicola Pietrangeli, M, ITA
92 - Svetlana Kuznetsova, F, RUS
91 - Shirley Fry Irvin, F, USA
90 - Bill Johnston, M, USA
89 - Dorothea Lambert Chambers, F, GBR
88 - Amelie Mauresmo, F, FRA
87 - Mary Pierce, F, FRA
86 - Tony Wilding, M, NZL
85 - Yannick Noah, M, FRA
84 - Norman Brookes, M, AUS
83 - Jan Kodes, M, CZE
82 - Yevgeny Kafelnikov, M, RUS
81 - Vic Seixas, M, USA
80 - Marat Safin, M, RUS
79 - Gabriela Sabatini, F, ARG
78 - Ashley Cooper, M, AUS
77 - Molla Mallory, F, USA
76 - William Renshaw, M, GBR
75 - Pauline Betz Addie, F, USA
74 - Tony Roche, M, AUS
73 - Jaroslav Drobny, M, CZE
72 - Gottfried Von Cramm, M, GER
71 - Maria Sharapova, F, RUS
70 - Patrick Rafter , M, AUS
69 - Louise Brough , F, USA
68 - Helen Hull Jacobs , F, USA
67 - Fred Stolle , M, AUS
66 - Bobby Riggs , M, USA
65 - Pancho Segura , M, ECU
64 - Ellsworth Vines , M, USA
63 - Lleyton Hewitt , M, AUS
62 - Hana Mandlikova , F, CZE
61 - Neale Fraser , M, USA
60 - Virginia Wade , F, GBR
59 - Margaret Osborne Dupont, F, USA
58 - Alice Marble , F, USA
57 - Jennifer Capriati , F, USA
56 - Stan Smith, M, USA
55 - Gustavo Kuerten, M, BRA
54 - Manuel Santana, M, ESP
53 - Tracy Austin, F, USA
52 - Jack Crawford, M, AUS
51 - Doris Hart, F, USA
50 - Tony Trabert, M, USA
49 - Ilie Nastase , M, ROM
48 - Frank Sedgman, M, AUS
47 - Jean Borotra, M, FRA
46 - Henri Cochet, M, FRA
45 - Kim Clijsters, F, BEL
44 - Arantxa Sanchez Vicario, F, ESP
43 - Lindsay Davenport, F, USA
42 - Jim Courier, M, USA
41 - Guillermo Vilas, M, ARG
40 - Novak Djokovic, M, SRB
39 - Althea Gibson, F, USA
38 - Maria Bueno, F, BRA
37 - Evonne Goolagong Cawley, F, AUS
36 - Rene Lacoste, M, FRA
35 - Pancho Gonzalez, M, USA
34 - Jack Kramer, M, USA
33 - Mats Wilander, M, SWE
32 - Lew Hoad, M, AUS
31 - John Newcombe, M, AUS
30 - Martina Hingis, F, SUI
29 - Helen Wills Moody Roark, F, USA
28 - Arthur Ashe, M, USA
27 - Maureen Connolly Brinker, F, USA
26 - Justine Henin, F, BEL
25 - Stefan Edberg, M, SWE
24 - Suzanne Lenglen, F, FRA
23 - Fred Perry, M, GBR
22 - Venus Williams, F, USA
21 - Boris Becker, M, GER
20 - Ken Rosewall, M, AUS
19 - Monica Seles, F, USA
18 - Ivan Lendl, M, CZE
17 - Roy Emerson, M, AUS
16 - Bill Tilden, M, USA
15 - Jimmy Connors, M, USA
14 - Serena Williams, F, USA
13 - John McEnroe, M, USA
12 - Andre Agassi, M, USA
11 - Don Budge, M, USA

[aliceingoogs]

It's so funny - right before it started, I was thinking "ooh, I really hope Michael Chang made it on and then BANG, right off the bat.

How he's below Pat Cash, I'll never know but whatever

[aliceingoogs]

A couple of thoughts

- Sharapova is several spots lower than I would have thought.

- They're really determined to represent all eras and good on 'em for trying to do what is essentially impossible

- It's hard to deny Kuznetsova a spot...I guess...but 100 greatest of all time? If Gaudio stumbled into another Roland Garros, I wonder if they would have given him a spot.

- It's hard to tell for sure, but it looks like there's no spot for Michael Stich, Goran Ivanisevic or even Sergi Bruguera

- Lindsay, Kim and Arantxa coming all right next to each other, but in the exact reverse order I would put them in.

- They didn't explain the criteria especially well. They said that they were using data-driven criteria but Yannick Noah being on here really strongly implies subjective factors were considered.

[aliceingoogs]

Oh, and I'm really enjoying the program itself. I mean, with the lower ranked players, we're only getting a minute or two on them, but it's pretty educational. I know infinitely more things about Nicola Pietrangeli and Tony Wilding than I did on Sunday.

[ViagraFeller]

My only thought is that Mauresmo got boned (funny thought given her preferences.)

[wpFWNoIt]

My only thought is that Mauresmo got boned (funny thought given her preferences.)

She and Mary Pierce should both be a little higher IMO

[steevyjeors]

Watch Sveta win all four slams next year...

[aliceingoogs]

I didn't catch last night's episode but I cannot think of any rationale for Connors and Serena Williams being below John McEnroe. The numbers aren't there and he hasn't had a significantly bigger impact on the game than those 2. I'd say Serena has had a bigger impact. That's really bizarre to me.

[Aswdwdfg]

I'm not American and not a particular fan of the guys I'm about to mention but I definitely think consistency and longevity were underrated. I refer to Roddick and Connors.

[jagxj12]

I'm not American and not a particular fan of the guys I'm about to mention but I definitely think consistency and longevity were underrated. I refer to Roddick and Connors.

Not sure how Connors and Roddick belongs in the same sentence. Besides Andy hasn't had any above average longevity.

[TubOppomo]

I didn't catch last night's episode but I cannot think of any rationale for Connors and Serena Williams being below John McEnroe. The numbers aren't there and he hasn't had a significantly bigger impact on the game than those 2. I'd say Serena has had a bigger impact. That's really bizarre to me.

I agree. Actually, I was surprised Serena isn't in the top 10.


Then again, a list like this has to come down to subjective preferences. It's fun, of course. But it does seem pretty random for the most part.
I (randomly) think Suzanne Lenglen as the first female superstar of the tennis world should be ranked higher as well.

[Goalseexere]

I post this when the list is only updated through #11.

Top 10 must include:
Federer
Nadal
Sampras
Borg
Laver
Graf
Navratilova
Evert
King
and that person from Australia who has an arena named after her.

Yes?

[sandracuk]

I post this when the list is only updated through #11.

Top 10 must include:
Federer
Nadal
Sampras
Borg
Laver
Graf
Navratilova
Evert
King
and that person from Australia who has an arena named after her.

Yes?

You forgot Monique Viele

[fuesquemill]

Split by M/F...

100 Michael Chang
98 Henry Bunny Austin
97 Pat Cash
96 Manuel Orantes
95 Thomas Muster
94 Andy Roddick
93 Nicola Pietrangeli
90 Bill Johnston
86 Tony Wilding
85 Yannick Noah
84 Norman Brookes
83 Jan Kodes
82 Yevgeny Kafelnikov
81 Vic Seixas
80 Marat Safin
78 Ashley Cooper
76 William Renshaw
74 Tony Roche
73 Jaroslav Drobny
72 Gottfried Von Cramm
70 Patrick Rafter
67 Fred Stolle
66 Bobby Riggs
65 Pancho Segura
64 Ellsworth Vines
63 Lleyton Hewitt
61 Neale Fraser
56 Stan Smith
55 Gustavo Kuerten
54 Manuel Santana
52 Jack Crawford
50 Tony Trabert
49 Ilie Nastase
48 Frank Sedgman
47 Jean Borotra
46 Henri Cochet
42 Jim Courier
41 Guillermo Vilas
40 Novak Djokovic
36 Rene Lacoste
35 Pancho Gonzalez
34 Jack Kramer
33 Mats Wilander
32 Lew Hoad
31 John Newcombe
28 Arthur Ashe
25 Stefan Edberg
23 Fred Perry
21 Boris Becker
20 Ken Rosewall
18 Ivan Lendl
17 Roy Emerson
16 Bill Tilden
15 Jimmy Connors
13 John McEnroe
12 Andre Agassi
11 Don Budge

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99 Ann Haydon Jones
92 Svetlana Kuznetsova
91 Shirley Fry Irvin
89 Dorothea Lambert Chambers
88 Amelie Mauresmo
87 Mary Pierce
79 Gabriela Sabatini
77 Molla Mallory
75 Pauline Betz Addie
71 Maria Sharapova
69 Louise Brough
68 Helen Hull Jacobs
62 Hana Mandlikova
60 Virginia Wade
59 Margaret Osborne Dupont
58 Alice Marble
57 Jennifer Capriati
53 Tracy Austin
51 Doris Hart
45 Kim Clijsters
44 Arantxa Sanchez Vicario
43 Lindsay Davenport
39 Althea Gibson
38 Maria Bueno
37 Evonne Goolagong Cawley
30 Martina Hingis
29 Helen Wills Moody Roark
27 Maureen Connolly Brinker
26 Justine Henin
24 Suzanne Lenglen
22 Venus Williams
19 Monica Seles
14 Serena Williams

[aliceingoogs]

Not sure how Connors and Roddick belongs in the same sentence. Besides Andy doesn't hasn't had any above average longevity.

I think he might have meant "consistency and longevity," like as two interrelated things. Andy was constantly in the top ten (save for like 3 weeks) from 2002-2011. It's certainly an above-average streak. Borderline rare.

[aliceingoogs]

I post this when the list is only updated through #11.

Top 10 must include:
Federer
Nadal
Sampras
Borg
Laver
Graf
Navratilova
Evert
King
and that person from Australia who has an arena named after her.

Yes?

Yep, I think that's it. I'm thinking they'll do:

10. Borg
9. Nadal
8. King
7. Laver
6. Mean Australian Lady
5. Evert
4. Sampras
3. Federer
2. Graf
1. Navratilova

But, of course, it's kind of a crapshoot. 10-8 are completely interchangeable.

[AutocadOemM]

You forgot Monique Viele

And Robert Smeets.

[aliceingoogs]

Well this has kinda fallen apart. They're on Steffi Graf and like every single person is basically like, "well obviously Steffi's the greatest of all time" and "she's definitely the greatest ever." Except she's #3 on this countdown. Totally weird.

[aliceingoogs]

This is so weird. Roger is #1 and half the conversation has been about the reservations everyone has about putting Roger at #1 ("hmm, he needs to figure out how to beat Rafa") and all the endorsements for Steffi and Laver and Martina were much more ringing. That was totally bizarre.

[AK47rulz]

Jon made a really good point when he said Sampras couldn't beat anyone on clay while there was only one player Roger has trouble with.

I have no complaints whatsoever with TCs #1. And Graf the #1 woman. No problem at all.