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**ImmitsRom** · 01-27-2010, 10:45 PM

Enforce the rules or abandon them.

Justine's incessant reliance on Carlos is one of the reasons why I refuse to consider her mentally tough. A fighter, yes. But tough? Not in my view.

**Penisvergroesserung** · 01-27-2010, 11:12 PM

I am REALLY hoping to run into Justine in a presser at some point this year to get into this line of questioning with her. Because I can't remember everybody ever doing so, and it's ridiculous.

**qwerty1** · 01-27-2010, 11:16 PM

I couldn't care less...

Pretty much my opinion on this.

It's been going on for so long that there will always be players that have coaches that either come up with signals or just yell to them from the box. And the fact that older, more veteran players do this and essentially get away with it (seldom are there warnings given out from the umpires) it shows the younger players coming up and their coaches that it's okay to do it. And then because on court coaching is allowed outside the slams players and coaches are used to coaching their players during matches.

The likelihood of the sport putting a complete stop to this is extremely small.

**paydayuscf** · 01-27-2010, 11:29 PM

I am REALLY hoping to run into Justine in a presser at some point this year to get into this line of questioning with her. Because I can't remember everybody ever doing so, and it's ridiculous.

Be careful. I hear Carlos's kid took out the kneecaps of the last person that asked.

**MpNelQTU** · 01-27-2010, 11:45 PM

Yeah, it really pisses me off that only Justine and Maria get in trouble for this when I've seen EVERY PLAYER I've watched live get some sort coaching from the stands.

**Ekrbcbvh** · 01-27-2010, 11:57 PM

Every player? Sorry....but Venus and Serena don't get coached by Oracene in the stands. Neither does Federer....

The rule is there for a reason. And maybe a lot of players do get coached from the stands but that doesn't make it right.

I say...enforce it. And I might add...Justine is one of the biggest most obvious offenders. That's why she gets called out.

But LOL @ the balls on Azarenka!

**Sukadrukanga** · 01-28-2010, 12:06 AM

I'd prefer they focus on time violations first. So easy to enforce!

Coaching is much more difficult to stop. The coach could pretty easily watch from outside, and send text messages to somebody the ump has never seen before, who then could give very subtle signals.

I'd support driving it out of the public eye, because that embarasses the sport, but recognize that it's almost impossible to truly get rid of it.

**ibiDb4uu** · 01-28-2010, 12:13 AM

Every player? Sorry....but Venus and Serena don't get coached by Oracene in the stands. Neither does Federer....

Oracene doesn't, but I've seen Sascha tell Serena whether she should challenge more than once, and I don't watch that many Serena matches.

**ImmitsRom** · 01-28-2010, 12:14 AM

I'd support driving it out of the public eye, because that embarasses the sport, but recognize that it's almost impossible to truly get rid of it.

In other words, cover it up?

Not sure the sport benefits from cover ups at all since everything always comes out anyway.

I'm surprised so many people think it would be difficult to eliminate.

I've heard warnings issued from chair over the years, including against Carlos. Point and game penalties would go far to eliminate it.

And with all the video evidence around, a player could be warned even after a match and told if a camera catches it again, they will be fined and suspended.

Forget about an official chaperon for the coaches. Just put a camera on the player's boxes and let that be that. I don't see why technology can't be used to eliminate it from the sport entirely.

**Ekrbcbvh** · 01-28-2010, 12:18 AM

Oracene doesn't, but I've seen Sascha tell Serena whether she should challenge more than once, and I don't watch that many Serena matches.

Oh Sascha yes! He can't help himself

I've seen Oracene signal to him to calm down

**ibiDb4uu** · 01-28-2010, 12:32 AM

Oh Sascha yes! He can't help himself I've seen Oracene signal to him to calm down

Well, I bet Carlos can't help himself either, so it must be ok for him, too.

**MpNelQTU** · 01-28-2010, 12:35 AM

Well, I bet Carlos can't help himself either, so it must be ok for him, too.

I'm afraid... I thought of the same comeback.

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01-27-2010, 10:45 PM	#1
ImmitsRom Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 607 Senior Member	Enforce the rules or abandon them. Justine's incessant reliance on Carlos is one of the reasons why I refuse to consider her mentally tough. A fighter, yes. But tough? Not in my view. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-27-2010, 11:12 PM	#2
Penisvergroesserung Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 610 Senior Member	I am REALLY hoping to run into Justine in a presser at some point this year to get into this line of questioning with her. Because I can't remember everybody ever doing so, and it's ridiculous. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-27-2010, 11:16 PM	#3
qwerty1 Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 622 Senior Member	I couldn't care less... Pretty much my opinion on this. It's been going on for so long that there will always be players that have coaches that either come up with signals or just yell to them from the box. And the fact that older, more veteran players do this and essentially get away with it (seldom are there warnings given out from the umpires) it shows the younger players coming up and their coaches that it's okay to do it. And then because on court coaching is allowed outside the slams players and coaches are used to coaching their players during matches. The likelihood of the sport putting a complete stop to this is extremely small. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-27-2010, 11:29 PM	#4
paydayuscf Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 410 Senior Member	I am REALLY hoping to run into Justine in a presser at some point this year to get into this line of questioning with her. Because I can't remember everybody ever doing so, and it's ridiculous. Be careful. I hear Carlos's kid took out the kneecaps of the last person that asked. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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MpNelQTU Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 592 Senior Member	Yeah, it really pisses me off that only Justine and Maria get in trouble for this when I've seen EVERY PLAYER I've watched live get some sort coaching from the stands. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-27-2010, 11:57 PM	#6
Ekrbcbvh Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 499 Senior Member	Every player? Sorry....but Venus and Serena don't get coached by Oracene in the stands. Neither does Federer.... The rule is there for a reason. And maybe a lot of players do get coached from the stands but that doesn't make it right. I say...enforce it. And I might add...Justine is one of the biggest most obvious offenders. That's why she gets called out. But LOL @ the balls on Azarenka! Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 12:06 AM	#7
Sukadrukanga Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 491 Senior Member	I'd prefer they focus on time violations first. So easy to enforce! Coaching is much more difficult to stop. The coach could pretty easily watch from outside, and send text messages to somebody the ump has never seen before, who then could give very subtle signals. I'd support driving it out of the public eye, because that embarasses the sport, but recognize that it's almost impossible to truly get rid of it. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 12:13 AM	#8
ibiDb4uu Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 490 Senior Member	Every player? Sorry....but Venus and Serena don't get coached by Oracene in the stands. Neither does Federer.... Oracene doesn't, but I've seen Sascha tell Serena whether she should challenge more than once, and I don't watch that many Serena matches. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 12:14 AM	#9
ImmitsRom Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 607 Senior Member	I'd support driving it out of the public eye, because that embarasses the sport, but recognize that it's almost impossible to truly get rid of it. In other words, cover it up? Not sure the sport benefits from cover ups at all since everything always comes out anyway. I'm surprised so many people think it would be difficult to eliminate. I've heard warnings issued from chair over the years, including against Carlos. Point and game penalties would go far to eliminate it. And with all the video evidence around, a player could be warned even after a match and told if a camera catches it again, they will be fined and suspended. Forget about an official chaperon for the coaches. Just put a camera on the player's boxes and let that be that. I don't see why technology can't be used to eliminate it from the sport entirely. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 12:18 AM	#10
Ekrbcbvh Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 499 Senior Member	Oracene doesn't, but I've seen Sascha tell Serena whether she should challenge more than once, and I don't watch that many Serena matches. Oh Sascha yes! He can't help himself I've seen Oracene signal to him to calm down Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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01-28-2010, 12:32 AM	#11
ibiDb4uu Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 490 Senior Member	Oh Sascha yes! He can't help himself I've seen Oracene signal to him to calm down Well, I bet Carlos can't help himself either, so it must be ok for him, too. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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