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**AdobeCreativeSuite** · 07-06-2009, 07:29 PM

You can't compare Andre's being gone with what Serena did! Agassi left the tour completely but didn't leave tennis. He went back to the challenger levels until he got himself straight as soon as he came back...he was in winning form He didn't really take "a year and a half" to get back in winning form, he actually left the tour and then came back and started winning again. He plowed right through the ATP.

So you think that the WTA's field is "deep"? I just don't think so. My observations in the past 10 years is that if the Williams sisters or the Belgium girls weren't in the mix it was easy sailing for 2nd tier players like Miskina or Sharapova.

**Super-Luser** · 07-06-2009, 07:36 PM

So you think that the WTA's field is "deep"? I just don't think so. My observations in the past 10 years is that if the Williams sisters or the Belgium girls weren't in the mix it was easy sailing for 2nd tier players like Miskina or Sharapova.

I don't think Sharapova is second tier by any objective measure. And I am not a fan in case you are wondering...

**PyncGyncliacy** · 07-06-2009, 08:01 PM

Is that actually true? Some recent examples of players who were out a long time, did badly at first and then regained their former position?

The name Rainer Schuettler rings a bell, although that's over now.

BTW, not to burst anyone's bubble - I didn't see Jelena's match against Dementieva, but I watched her first round against Sprem. Both played awfully and I was pretty sure Sprem was going to win.

**spacecrafty** · 07-06-2009, 08:10 PM

BTW, not to burst anyone's bubble - I didn't see Jelena's match against Dementieva, but I watched her first round against Sprem. Both played awfully and I was pretty sure Sprem was going to win.

Yeah, I don't think she would have had a great shot at Stosur.

**hacyOrgachbic** · 07-06-2009, 08:11 PM

The name Rainer Schuettler rings a bell, although that's over now.

BTW, not to burst anyone's bubble - I didn't see Jelena's match against Dementieva, but I watched her first round against Sprem. Both played awfully and I was pretty sure Sprem was going to win.

That match against Dementieva was a thing of beauty

**hacyOrgachbic** · 07-06-2009, 08:12 PM

So you think that the WTA's field is "deep"? I just don't think so. My observations in the past 10 years is that if the Williams sisters or the Belgium girls weren't in the mix it was easy sailing for 2nd tier players like Miskina or Sharapova.

Deep? Hmmmm I would call it "strong" with an equally strong bunch of up and comers......

And...I don't think Maria Sharapova is a 2nd tier tennis player. Try Cibulkova for that.....

**AdobeCreativeSuite** · 07-06-2009, 09:20 PM

Deep? Hmmmm I would call it "strong" with an equally strong bunch of up and comers......

And...I don't think Maria Sharapova is a 2nd tier tennis player. Try Cibulkova for that.....

Maybe my description of Sharapova as 2nd tier is not fair, but I don't see her at the same level as the Williams sisters or the Belgium girls.

**Super-Luser** · 07-06-2009, 09:33 PM

Maybe my description of Sharapova as 2nd tier is not fair, but I don't see her at the same level as the Williams sisters or the Belgium girls.

Indeed. She is most certainly at a higher level than one of the Belgian girls.

**spacecrafty** · 07-06-2009, 09:41 PM

Indeed. She is most certainly at a higher level than one of the Belgian girls.

Buhzing. Sad but true.

**Ikhqgvas** · 07-06-2009, 10:08 PM

Indeed. She is most certainly at a higher level than one of the Belgian girls.

Definitely. Plus 2 of her 3 major wins were against Serena or Justine. That's far from second tier...

07-06-2009, 07:29 PM	#21
AdobeCreativeSuite Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 520 Senior Member	You can't compare Andre's being gone with what Serena did! Agassi left the tour completely but didn't leave tennis. He went back to the challenger levels until he got himself straight as soon as he came back...he was in winning form He didn't really take "a year and a half" to get back in winning form, he actually left the tour and then came back and started winning again. He plowed right through the ATP. So you think that the WTA's field is "deep"? I just don't think so. My observations in the past 10 years is that if the Williams sisters or the Belgium girls weren't in the mix it was easy sailing for 2nd tier players like Miskina or Sharapova. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-06-2009, 07:36 PM	#22
Super-Luser Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 561 Senior Member	So you think that the WTA's field is "deep"? I just don't think so. My observations in the past 10 years is that if the Williams sisters or the Belgium girls weren't in the mix it was easy sailing for 2nd tier players like Miskina or Sharapova. I don't think Sharapova is second tier by any objective measure. And I am not a fan in case you are wondering... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-06-2009, 08:01 PM	#23
PyncGyncliacy Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 706 Senior Member	Is that actually true? Some recent examples of players who were out a long time, did badly at first and then regained their former position? The name Rainer Schuettler rings a bell, although that's over now. BTW, not to burst anyone's bubble - I didn't see Jelena's match against Dementieva, but I watched her first round against Sprem. Both played awfully and I was pretty sure Sprem was going to win. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-06-2009, 08:10 PM	#24
spacecrafty Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 544 Senior Member	BTW, not to burst anyone's bubble - I didn't see Jelena's match against Dementieva, but I watched her first round against Sprem. Both played awfully and I was pretty sure Sprem was going to win. Yeah, I don't think she would have had a great shot at Stosur. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-06-2009, 08:11 PM	#25
hacyOrgachbic Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 588 Senior Member	The name Rainer Schuettler rings a bell, although that's over now. BTW, not to burst anyone's bubble - I didn't see Jelena's match against Dementieva, but I watched her first round against Sprem. Both played awfully and I was pretty sure Sprem was going to win. That match against Dementieva was a thing of beauty Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-06-2009, 08:12 PM	#26
hacyOrgachbic Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 588 Senior Member	So you think that the WTA's field is "deep"? I just don't think so. My observations in the past 10 years is that if the Williams sisters or the Belgium girls weren't in the mix it was easy sailing for 2nd tier players like Miskina or Sharapova. Deep? Hmmmm I would call it "strong" with an equally strong bunch of up and comers...... And...I don't think Maria Sharapova is a 2nd tier tennis player. Try Cibulkova for that..... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-06-2009, 09:20 PM	#27
AdobeCreativeSuite Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 520 Senior Member	Deep? Hmmmm I would call it "strong" with an equally strong bunch of up and comers...... And...I don't think Maria Sharapova is a 2nd tier tennis player. Try Cibulkova for that..... Maybe my description of Sharapova as 2nd tier is not fair, but I don't see her at the same level as the Williams sisters or the Belgium girls. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-06-2009, 09:33 PM	#28
Super-Luser Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 561 Senior Member	Maybe my description of Sharapova as 2nd tier is not fair, but I don't see her at the same level as the Williams sisters or the Belgium girls. Indeed. She is most certainly at a higher level than one of the Belgian girls. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-06-2009, 09:41 PM	#29
spacecrafty Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 544 Senior Member	Indeed. She is most certainly at a higher level than one of the Belgian girls. Buhzing. Sad but true. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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07-06-2009, 10:08 PM	#30
Ikhqgvas Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 496 Senior Member	Indeed. She is most certainly at a higher level than one of the Belgian girls. Definitely. Plus 2 of her 3 major wins were against Serena or Justine. That's far from second tier... Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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