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**animilius** · 04-08-2008, 05:24 PM

With just a calendar change allowing him to keep his # ranking for a couple of extra weeks, the question is now whether he can come back and reclaim that spot.
Also, how great is this accomplishment? 236 consecutive weeks at # 1 (correct me if the count is wrong, please). What other accomplishments can compare to this (by either him or other players)

**trowUrillioth** · 04-08-2008, 05:28 PM

Where's the fourth option based on the logic? slams no, #1 yes? Not that I'm advocating that's the answer, just thinking it should be there.

**Zpxbawtz** · 04-08-2008, 05:28 PM

What other accomplishments can compare to this (by either him or other players)

I think 10 straight GS finals (and 17 SF) is his most impressive accomplishment. No one has ever come even close to that.

**ArrichMer** · 04-08-2008, 05:34 PM

Three years with 3 grand slams each is pretty impressive too. I don't believe this has been done by anybody else. Combined with the straight run of final appearances, I think this record will be very tough to break for anyone (including Roger

).

**animilius** · 04-08-2008, 05:43 PM

Where's the fourth option based on the logic? slams no, #1 yes? Not that I'm advocating that's the answer, just thinking it should be there.

As you say, logically it should be there, but I simply do not see it. I know JJ is getting to number 1 without even being to a GS final, but I can only recall Marcelo Rios and Ivan Lendl becoming number 1 without winning a GS (Lendl of course did it afterwards).
With today's ranking system and depth in the men's tour, I think it would be impossible to reach number 1 without winning slams.

**gluckmeea** · 04-08-2008, 05:45 PM

He'll win more slams. Whether he is #1 is just math. I think Nadal would have trouble winning the French and Wimbledon back-to-back again. So, he could build on his less-than-Roger year, and get #1 back for a time. But, Roger is older and it won't be long until others crash the party. So, his next reign at #1 will be much shorter. To me, though, it is all about the major titles for him now.

**trowUrillioth** · 04-08-2008, 05:50 PM

As you say, logically it should be there, but I simply do not see it. I know JJ is getting to number 1 without even being to a GS final, but I can only recall Marcelo Rios and Ivan Lendl becoming number 1 without winning a GS (Lendl of course did it afterwards).
With today's ranking system and depth in the men's tour, I think it would be impossible to reach number 1 without winning slams.

Actually, with his consistency in slams, it's quite likely he'll go deep at all four over and over. So, if someone is to believe he'll never win another slam, it's possible to also think he reaches several finals a year and wins enough other tournaments to be number 1. For example, if Djokovic and Nadal crash out of the USO early this year and don't win TMC and Fed loses the final to someone else, he'll only have to do marginally better than last year in the fall to end the year number 1.

**UnmariKam** · 04-08-2008, 05:51 PM

well, he won't have much to defend next year, so i think it's completely likely he could regain the top spot and i fully expect him to break Sampras' record for number of slams one. i sure hope so, anyway.

**Derrida** · 04-08-2008, 05:53 PM

I think 10 straight GS finals (and 17 SF) is his most impressive accomplishment. No one has ever come even close to that.

To me the most impressive feat is having won something like 19 or 20 straight finals played. That accomplishment truly defies logic.

**Andoror** · 04-08-2008, 05:59 PM

**tuszit** · 04-08-2008, 06:54 PM

I'm much more convinced he'll be number 1 again than winning more slams.

**VYholden** · 04-08-2008, 07:11 PM

It's very likely that Rafa will struggle to defend all these points next year. Several reasons: He's susceptible to injury. It's unknown how he'll react to being the hunted, not the hunter, not to mention all of the sundry pressures and attention that visit the #1. Most of all, Murray's take this week: He said players believe they can beat Rafa more so than they thought they could beat Roger in 2005, 06. He thinks Rafa will be upset more than Roger was.

If Roger relaxes a little bit and geta a fire in his belly, I could easily see him trading #1 with Nadal and possibly Djokovic in the next few years.

**tuszit** · 04-08-2008, 07:32 PM

It's very likely that Rafa will struggle to defend all these points next year. Several reasons: He's susceptible to injury. It's unknown how he'll react to being the hunted, not the hunter, not to mention all of the sundry pressures and attention that visit the #1. Most of all, Murray's take this week: He said players believe they can beat Rafa more so than they thought they could beat Roger in 2005, 06. He thinks Rafa will be upset more than Roger was.

If Roger relaxes a little bit and geta a fire in his belly, I could easily see him trading #1 with Nadal and possibly Djokovic in the next few years.

Being a Rafa fan, I agree with this. I hope I'm dead wrong though. But I ask what other number 1 has dominated as Federer at his apex? Sampras, Lendl, Connors, etc. I really don't know, this is not rhetorical.

**VYholden** · 04-08-2008, 07:37 PM

Being a Rafa fan, I agree with this. I hope I'm dead wrong though. But I ask what other number 1 has dominated as Federer at his apex? Sampras, Lendl, Connors, etc. I really don't know, this is not rhetorical.

No one I can think of. Roger's 236 consecutive weeks at #1 is all the proof you need for that answer. Sampras lost the #1 ranking quite a few times, and finished the year #1 after some lucky breaks a couple times. That doesn't take away from his accomplishments, but it underscores the totality and rarity of Roger's dominance, and suggests that Rafa shouldn't expect to match Roger's run from 2004 to 2007.

**tuszit** · 04-08-2008, 07:41 PM

No one I can think of. Roger's 236 consecutive weeks at #1 is all the proof you need for that answer. Sampras lost the #1 ranking quite a few times, and finished the year #1 after some lucky breaks a couple times. That doesn't take away from his accomplishments, but it underscores the totality and rarity of Roger's dominance, and suggests that Rafa shouldn't expect to match Roger's run from 2004 to 2007.

Exactly. We've gotten used to a number 1 whose year end lost matches tally is a one digit number.
Rafa, and Novak in his time, will be more normal number ones. And that includes more upsets.

**VeniHemealm** · 04-08-2008, 07:53 PM

Federer was as close to perfect as a player can be. Even now, his losses are a bit jolting.

He'll be back to Number 1, I'm sure. He's having a bad patch (not on his cheek) but he'll come around. I don't think it's a matter of other players figuring him out, it's all within Roger.

**animilius** · 04-08-2008, 07:55 PM

The only person that I think can be compared in terms of dominance for a stretch of 4 years is Steffi. She also had several years of winning 3 slams (plus 88, when she won all four), and she is the one with the most weeks at number 1 (337, if I am right).
But indeed. Not that we are burying him, but time to appreciate how tough this 4 years at the top really are.
And also, the other records that not even Roger will beat (Connors' 109 tourneys, Pete's 6 years at the top, (put your favorite here...))

**maxuilg** · 04-09-2008, 02:03 AM

For me...it isn't a matter of IF, it's a matter of WHEN and....for how long.

I for one, am convinced that there is going to be a bit of changing #1 between Rafa and Roger and....I really look forward to it.

**Frierlovene** · 04-09-2008, 03:21 AM

Roger is burned out this year! nothing more to him...Olympics, US Open or Masters Cup. But I see him returning to #1 after Miami 2009. If not, right after Wimbledon for sure! Slams??? He matches Sampras at 2009 Wimbledon and breaks the record of most GS's at Australia 2010! I would put money in my prediction!!

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04-08-2008, 05:24 PM	#1
animilius Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 555 Senior Member	Will Roger reclaim #1? With just a calendar change allowing him to keep his # ranking for a couple of extra weeks, the question is now whether he can come back and reclaim that spot. Also, how great is this accomplishment? 236 consecutive weeks at # 1 (correct me if the count is wrong, please). What other accomplishments can compare to this (by either him or other players) Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-08-2008, 05:28 PM	#2
trowUrillioth Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 671 Senior Member	Where's the fourth option based on the logic? slams no, #1 yes? Not that I'm advocating that's the answer, just thinking it should be there. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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Zpxbawtz Join Date Nov 2005 Posts 660 Senior Member	What other accomplishments can compare to this (by either him or other players) I think 10 straight GS finals (and 17 SF) is his most impressive accomplishment. No one has ever come even close to that. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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ArrichMer Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 570 Senior Member	Three years with 3 grand slams each is pretty impressive too. I don't believe this has been done by anybody else. Combined with the straight run of final appearances, I think this record will be very tough to break for anyone (including Roger ). Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-08-2008, 05:43 PM	#5
animilius Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 555 Senior Member	Where's the fourth option based on the logic? slams no, #1 yes? Not that I'm advocating that's the answer, just thinking it should be there. As you say, logically it should be there, but I simply do not see it. I know JJ is getting to number 1 without even being to a GS final, but I can only recall Marcelo Rios and Ivan Lendl becoming number 1 without winning a GS (Lendl of course did it afterwards). With today's ranking system and depth in the men's tour, I think it would be impossible to reach number 1 without winning slams. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-08-2008, 05:45 PM	#6
gluckmeea Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 498 Senior Member	He'll win more slams. Whether he is #1 is just math. I think Nadal would have trouble winning the French and Wimbledon back-to-back again. So, he could build on his less-than-Roger year, and get #1 back for a time. But, Roger is older and it won't be long until others crash the party. So, his next reign at #1 will be much shorter. To me, though, it is all about the major titles for him now. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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trowUrillioth Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 671 Senior Member	As you say, logically it should be there, but I simply do not see it. I know JJ is getting to number 1 without even being to a GS final, but I can only recall Marcelo Rios and Ivan Lendl becoming number 1 without winning a GS (Lendl of course did it afterwards). With today's ranking system and depth in the men's tour, I think it would be impossible to reach number 1 without winning slams. Actually, with his consistency in slams, it's quite likely he'll go deep at all four over and over. So, if someone is to believe he'll never win another slam, it's possible to also think he reaches several finals a year and wins enough other tournaments to be number 1. For example, if Djokovic and Nadal crash out of the USO early this year and don't win TMC and Fed loses the final to someone else, he'll only have to do marginally better than last year in the fall to end the year number 1. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-08-2008, 05:51 PM	#8
UnmariKam Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 494 Senior Member	well, he won't have much to defend next year, so i think it's completely likely he could regain the top spot and i fully expect him to break Sampras' record for number of slams one. i sure hope so, anyway. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-08-2008, 05:53 PM	#9
Derrida Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 372 Senior Member	I think 10 straight GS finals (and 17 SF) is his most impressive accomplishment. No one has ever come even close to that. To me the most impressive feat is having won something like 19 or 20 straight finals played. That accomplishment truly defies logic. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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tuszit Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 473 Senior Member	I'm much more convinced he'll be number 1 again than winning more slams. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-08-2008, 07:11 PM	#12
VYholden Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 635 Senior Member	It's very likely that Rafa will struggle to defend all these points next year. Several reasons: He's susceptible to injury. It's unknown how he'll react to being the hunted, not the hunter, not to mention all of the sundry pressures and attention that visit the #1. Most of all, Murray's take this week: He said players believe they can beat Rafa more so than they thought they could beat Roger in 2005, 06. He thinks Rafa will be upset more than Roger was. If Roger relaxes a little bit and geta a fire in his belly, I could easily see him trading #1 with Nadal and possibly Djokovic in the next few years. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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tuszit Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 473 Senior Member	It's very likely that Rafa will struggle to defend all these points next year. Several reasons: He's susceptible to injury. It's unknown how he'll react to being the hunted, not the hunter, not to mention all of the sundry pressures and attention that visit the #1. Most of all, Murray's take this week: He said players believe they can beat Rafa more so than they thought they could beat Roger in 2005, 06. He thinks Rafa will be upset more than Roger was. If Roger relaxes a little bit and geta a fire in his belly, I could easily see him trading #1 with Nadal and possibly Djokovic in the next few years. Being a Rafa fan, I agree with this. I hope I'm dead wrong though. But I ask what other number 1 has dominated as Federer at his apex? Sampras, Lendl, Connors, etc. I really don't know, this is not rhetorical. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-08-2008, 07:37 PM	#14
VYholden Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 635 Senior Member	Being a Rafa fan, I agree with this. I hope I'm dead wrong though. But I ask what other number 1 has dominated as Federer at his apex? Sampras, Lendl, Connors, etc. I really don't know, this is not rhetorical. No one I can think of. Roger's 236 consecutive weeks at #1 is all the proof you need for that answer. Sampras lost the #1 ranking quite a few times, and finished the year #1 after some lucky breaks a couple times. That doesn't take away from his accomplishments, but it underscores the totality and rarity of Roger's dominance, and suggests that Rafa shouldn't expect to match Roger's run from 2004 to 2007. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-08-2008, 07:41 PM	#15
tuszit Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 473 Senior Member	No one I can think of. Roger's 236 consecutive weeks at #1 is all the proof you need for that answer. Sampras lost the #1 ranking quite a few times, and finished the year #1 after some lucky breaks a couple times. That doesn't take away from his accomplishments, but it underscores the totality and rarity of Roger's dominance, and suggests that Rafa shouldn't expect to match Roger's run from 2004 to 2007. Exactly. We've gotten used to a number 1 whose year end lost matches tally is a one digit number. Rafa, and Novak in his time, will be more normal number ones. And that includes more upsets. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-08-2008, 07:53 PM	#16
VeniHemealm Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 468 Senior Member	Federer was as close to perfect as a player can be. Even now, his losses are a bit jolting. He'll be back to Number 1, I'm sure. He's having a bad patch (not on his cheek) but he'll come around. I don't think it's a matter of other players figuring him out, it's all within Roger. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-08-2008, 07:55 PM	#17
animilius Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 555 Senior Member	The only person that I think can be compared in terms of dominance for a stretch of 4 years is Steffi. She also had several years of winning 3 slams (plus 88, when she won all four), and she is the one with the most weeks at number 1 (337, if I am right). But indeed. Not that we are burying him, but time to appreciate how tough this 4 years at the top really are. And also, the other records that not even Roger will beat (Connors' 109 tourneys, Pete's 6 years at the top, (put your favorite here...)) Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-09-2008, 02:03 AM	#18
maxuilg Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 499 Senior Member	For me...it isn't a matter of IF, it's a matter of WHEN and....for how long. I for one, am convinced that there is going to be a bit of changing #1 between Rafa and Roger and....I really look forward to it. Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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04-09-2008, 03:21 AM	#19
Frierlovene Join Date Oct 2005 Posts 458 Senior Member	Roger is burned out this year! nothing more to him...Olympics, US Open or Masters Cup. But I see him returning to #1 after Miami 2009. If not, right after Wimbledon for sure! Slams??? He matches Sampras at 2009 Wimbledon and breaks the record of most GS's at Australia 2010! I would put money in my prediction!! lol Share Share this post on Digg Del.icio.us Technorati Twitter
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