[Beerinkol]

Just saw an interesting bumper sticker: "Everything I needed to know about Islam, I learned on 9/11."

[S.T.D.]

Jim

I agree that a lot of crimes against humanity have been committed in the name of Islam. But I actually believe that Arabism is the more fundamental cause of all the hatred. They are the ones who have been inciting and firing up other Muslims too who otherwise may not have gone down the paths of hatred. And it's not just about Israel hatred either. Arab nationals funded by the Saudis have been involved in acts of hate all over the world, for decades, in places like Afghanistan, Chechnya and the Balkans. The whole idea of Jihad and the Khalifate has been promoted by Arab religious/nationalist/supremacist organisations like the Muslim Brotherhood and the Wahabi Arabs.

[MannoFr]

That means that if there’s a sudden loss of cabin pressure, now only those passengers at their seats will have oxygen flowing to the masks that drop down from the ceiling.

In case of an emergency a path to the exit will be clearly marked by my footprints on your back.

[HedgeYourBets]

In case of an emergency a path to the exit will be clearly marked by my footprints on your back.

Thanks for the warning.

But I don't think that would be necessary in the situation Jimsouth brought up.

But I wasn't sure, so I asked a pilot friend (former USAF) at another site.

Here's the exchange--

SpaceCowboy, on 14 March 2011 - 09:35 AM, said:

Russ, here is a post from IsraelForum to which I am considering a reply-


http://www.israelfor...8258#post328258

My understanding of the effects of oxygen deprivation is that it takes several minutes for it to impair judgment and several more until the person loses consciousness. I assume that the SOP in the event of loss of cabin pressurization at altitude is to immediately begin an emergency descent to an altitude that does not require pressurization/oxygen use.

How long might such a descent take, if one was at say 40k feet to begin with?

Would there really be much risk of death to a healthy passenger who does not have access to an oxygen mask during descent? His reply-
It really has more to do with the type of "decompression event". If normal pressurization goes bad, the cabin air would not immediately assume the same composition as the outside air in terms of the partial pressure of oxygen. In that event the masks come down, but for a few minutes the cabin air would still be good. If it were a leak, again it depends upon the severity of the leak. The worst event is a so called explosive decompression, where a fairly large hole allows the pressure inside the cabin to rapidly assume that of the ambient air - things would get foggy, possibly windy (as the air inside rushes out), and your lungs would exhale fairly violently. You still have a good deal of oxygen in your blood at this point but without supplemental oxygen you will lose useful consciousness in fairly short order because of that exhalation. This, too, is dependent upon the differential in pressure between the cabin and the outside air - the higher you are, the faster this all takes place. And yes, you are right, the pilots will request an take an immediate descent to 10,000' MSL or below. From 40K this might take about 12 minutes at a standard rate of descent (Boeing 757 used as an example - which is 2500feet per minute under normal conditions) However this would likely be shorter as you would be declaring an inflight emergency and would get expedited clearance to lower altitude, so figure just a few minutes, and all the while you are gaining in cabin air pressure as you pass through lower altitudes.

So I am not sure I see the issue here - part of the flight crew checklist would be to assist any passengers in the lavas back to their seats ( they have what are called walk-around bottles just for such purpose. I think the lady from Flyersrights.org is just a bit hysterical. All things considered, I think the FAA made a good decision to remove the oxygen generators from the lavs.

[Ifroham4]

I very much agree with Reffo's assessment. There cannot be any semblance of religious fanaticism w/o a modicum of nationalistic component, first and foremost among Arab Muslims. These things are intertwined to the degree that are not obvious to western audiences.

[Drugmachine]

What is most disturbing to me is the documented fact that over 17,000 worldwide terrorist attacks, all orchestrated by Islamic radicals, have been documented since 9/11; and still I see ( on forums, sites, etc. ) people who condone, promote, and defend Islam. I see Islam as little more than a primitive barbaric cult that's been thinly veiled as a religion. How any rational thinking human being could research Islam and not see it for what it really is indicates an ignorance in the world that is truely beyond measure. I never realized that so much of humanity was so lacking in simple common sense.

[9mm_fan]

If 9/11 was not enough to wake up America, you would think the unending worldwide atrocites that have followed, and still continue, would have made some impact. The media goes to great lengths to either totally avoid or to down play with a vengence, the insanity that follows Islam througout the world.

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

I wanted to post the site that shows the actual photos of the 2004 Madrid bombing; but for some reason, it doesn't want to open. I will not post the actual photos, since they are far too disturbing. If I can find a site that readers can open, I'll post it. Better that the individual decides whether or not to open and actually see what these troglodytes are capable of. I would never just dump the photos on this site.

[S.T.D.]

Bare Naked Islam
WordPress.com
Guess whom to blame when you can’t get oxygen in a mid-air decompression emergency in an airplane lavatory?
Citing security concerns, the federal government in secrecy last month ordered every airline in the United States to remove emergency oxygen in every lavatory on all 6,000 domestic commercial aircraft. The FAA said that the action was done proactively because of concerns that a (MUSLIM) terrorist could use the lavatory oxygen to start a fire or ignite a bomb.
MSNBC – (H/T SUSAN K) -Under Air Worthiness Directive 2011-04-09, made public this week, the Federal Aviation Administration directed all airlines to disable the lavatory oxygen generators to “eliminate a potential safety and security vulnerability.”



That means that if there’s a sudden loss of cabin pressure, now only those passengers at their seats will have oxygen flowing to the masks that drop down from the ceiling.

“I’m in shock,” said Kate Hanni, executive director of Flyersrights.org, a nonprofit airline passengers’ rights organization. “We get reports of mid-air decompression events all the time. So now going to the bathroom on a commercial flight can kill you? I’m panicking just thinking about this.”

But under the FAA’s new directive, any passengers who happen to be in the airplane restroom should such an event occur would no longer have immediate access to oxygen.



According to the FAA, the airlines completed disabling the oxygen generators in the lavatories of all 6,000 U.S. aircraft on March 4. The FAA said in a statement released Thursday that it delayed informing the public about this action because it was concerned about keeping travelers “as safe and secure as possible.”

Arthur Alan Wolk, an aviation safety expert and licensed jet pilot, said: “Part of the idea of the oxygen mask dropping from the ceiling during loss of cabin pressure is to keep the occupants of the main cabin alive until an airplane gets down to a breathable altitude. By eliminating the source of oxygen for the unlucky souls in the bathroom, you’ve just killed those people.”