[Fegasderty]

What culture & Traditions do they have? Let's talk about that. The University system was invented by Muslims.

Al Azhar in Egypt was founded between 970CE and 972CE.

Al-Karaouine in Morocco founded 859CE

By contrast, the oldest European university was started in Bologna in 1088, Oxford in the late 11th century, the Sorbonne around 1160.

Many of the teachers in the early European university system were Arab. Henry the Navigator of Portugal derived the caravel ship which revolutionized European shipping from the already extant superior qarib design used by the Arabs. The lateen rig of that boat is still found in the dhows that roam the Persian Gulf.

While the Arabs may not have invented the number system we call Arabic today, it was they who transported that knowledge to Europe as well as preserving the Greek classics, the revival of which lead to the Renaissance. The major medical textbook used in Europe for centuries was written by a Muslim.

What astonishes me most shraven is that you can lie about Muslim history in the same fashion that the British lied about Hindu culture, belittling it and pretending there never was such a thing. By the time of Ghandi, even the Hindus were beginning to believe that.

[radikal]

Jewish political power is probably as strong or stronger worldwide than it was prior to WWII.

Yeah - we run the world then and we run it now. Is that what they talk about in the local mosques these days?

Before you start going into anything of this sort read up on the the things you are talking about.

[softy54534]

Let's talk about that. The University system was invented by Muslims.

Check again... I think it is was built 2500+ years ago.


What astonishes me most shraven is that you can lie about Muslim history in the same fashion that the British lied about Hindu culture, belittling it and pretending there never was such a thing. By the time of Ghandi, even the Hindus were beginning to believe that. You will never understand what i am trying to say. If you feel that I am against all the Muslims then you are wrong.

The War on Terror, whether one likes it or not, has exposed the dangerous side of fanatical Islam. Its Moderate Muslims job to keep the Mullahs mouth shut. Non-Muslims can kill but they have their own methods.

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

That's wrong on two counts. First of all, as someone who did convert, I not only didn't forget the traditions and cultures, but I teach my kids about them. I'm teaching my children ancient Greek in part so that they can read the New Testament in the manner that my grandmother did. They will probably know more about Christianity than many Christians before I'm done. Moreover, unlike Christians, I'd like them to know all about the various church councils that settled on the concept of the Trinity and how the power structure of the Christian church was born.

Secondly, if the kind of websites you love so much are any indicator, Christian converts from Islam not only abandon the traditions and cultures, they go on world lecture tours to rail about them.

So why do Muslims Worldwide hate Jews ?

What have Jews done to Indian/Pakisn/Asian Muslims ?

[Peptobismol]

we must declare an ideological war against Universal Jihadists. Its the duty of Moderate Muslims to wage a war against Universal Jihadists because they are the ones who have to face problems.

[Drugmachine]

They are not the only ones. There are millions of Jews for instance that are being targeted by the same. If the those non practicing and mildly practicing (=what I consider 'moderate') Muslims dont have the heart or inclination to take on their radical brethren the rest of us will do it, and not kindly ultimately. The strongest reaction will be in the countries that are most liberal today. Give it 20 years and see how the UK, France, Netherlands, Sweden etc will [over]react, because they haven't correctly reacted when it was opportune. We may already be on this run away train. In fact, I suspect there will be a genocide of Muslims in Europe within 30 years. Not to mention another world war eventually.

[Drugmachine]

They are not the only ones. There are millions of Jews for instance that are being targeted by the same. If the those non practicing and mildly practicing (=what I consider 'moderate') Muslims dont have the heart or inclination to take on their radical brethren the rest of us will do it, and not kindly ultimately.

I know that but still i would like to give them a chance.

And the best solution to end the violence is Blowing Mecca.

In fact, I suspect there will be a genocide of Muslims in Europe within 30 years. Not to mention another world war eventually. I have been saying that all the time.

It is very easy, too easy, to go from coward to monster.

1st, the Europeans will strike back in fear. Then, they will strike in anger. Lastly and most scary of all, they will strike for delight.

[PhillipHer]

I know that but still i would like to give them a chance.

And the best solution to end the violence is Blowing Mecca.

I disagree. The best way imo, is to get them off the carbon chains. They think its achahol... but in reality its petrol. They are currently incapable and unwilling to do any brain labor. They need less religion and more science and progress. It's not only an economic thing, but a cultural thing mostly.



I have been saying that all the time.

It is very easy, too easy, to go from coward to monster.

1st, the Europeans will strike back in fear. Then, they will strike in anger. Lastly and most scary of all, they will strike for delight.
Absolutely. It will follow like clock work. The many non insane Europeans (and others) who have been saying this all along. Many reasonable, aware people, will have nothing but Schadenfreude, which is no substitute for peace and prosperity.

[radikal]

I disagree. The best way imo, is to get them off the carbon chains. They think its achahol... but in reality its petrol. They are currently incapable and unwilling to do any brain labor.

Ok. i get you point. But i want to see Muslims killing Muslims in the Name of Islam...

They need less religion and more science and progress. It's not only an economic thing, but a cultural thing mostly. Its just a Military Book. What culture & Traditions do they have?

Infact when a person converts to Islam he has to forget the traditions & cultures of the previous religion.

Even Christianity does not do that.

[radikal]

Ok. i get you point. But i want to see Muslims killing Muslims in the Name of Islam...

I personally dont. But I'd rather have them do that than kill you or me.
Its just a Military Book. What culture & Traditions do they have? Muslims Generally? Or Arabs? Persians etc? I'm with you when you describe Pakistanis adopting Arabic culture when they become more Islamic.. or more than people merely born Muslim. I do want to stress there was and still is an indigenous Arab culture, as well as a Levantine culture and a Mesopotamian culture that are under massive autocratic and religious duress... a composite culture that for the most part was frozen in the middle ages. Some of us middle easterners are not asleep. That includes many people who are minorities in the Middle East. Even Islamic connected minorities. What the Arabs perhaps dont know or wish to admit is by colonizing other minds they are destroying their own indigenous culture over the millenia... all in the name of orthodoxy.

Infact when a person converts to Islam he has to forget the traditions & cultures of the previous religion. I agree.

Even Christianity does not do that. To a much lesser degree anyway. That is one fundamental reason why I dont believe in any sort of conversion to Judaism. The harm done to that family... to the extended family is not to be underestimated.

[NeroASERCH]

Muslims Generally? Or Arabs? Persians etc? I'm with you when you describe Pakistanis adopting Arabic culture when they become more Islamic.. or more than people merely born Muslim. I was talking about most of the Muslims. I think there is no place for culture & tradition in Islam, I might be wrong.

Pakistani praises the people who killed & raped their mothers & sisters. Check their Missiles Name.


I do want to stress there was and still is an indigenous Arab culture, as well as a Levantine culture and a Mesopotamian culture that are under massive autocratic and religious duress... a composite culture that for the most part was frozen in the middle ages. Some of us middle easterners are not asleep. That includes many people who are minorities in the Middle East. Even Islamic connected minorities. What the Arabs perhaps dont know or wish to admit is by colonizing other minds they are destroying their own indigenous culture over the millenia... all in the name of orthodoxy. Thanks for the info.