[Peptobismol]

You're welcome, varian.

Judging by your appreciation of Pamela Geller as well as the tenor of your remarks, you might also like this thread:

http://www.israelforum.com/board/showthread.php?t=13760

[doctorzlo]

That woman seems like a dumb, hateful anti-European b***h. She uses other dumb, hateful blogs as sources.

What kind of argument is that? Do you have any actual positions or opinions you are contesting or is it just hot air?

[doctorzlo]

If this newbie doesn't like anti-European posts, boy has he/she come to the wrong place

[Peptobismol]

The blog is based on other blogs. It's also based on rediculous fantasies about "Eurabia" and a "Muslim invasion", which there is no foundation for.

Proof is in the pudding. She makes claims, you make claims. She has some data, you have, at the moment, nothing. There are parties in Europe based on rejecting immigrants on racist basis and there are others that defend the rights of western people to live safely and soundly with their social rights in tact. She does not paint them the same way, and nor do most anti-Jihadists she is associated with.

Or we can go about it a different way. My opinion, for argument sake, is that you are a fanatical anti-semite who attacked her based on the fact that she is Jewish, now please prove me wrong...

[PhillipHer]

I don't appreciate her hateful anti-European sentiments and the exaggerations used on her blog. The "data" you're referring to is from blogs (opinions) and guesswork ("I think this and this will happen in 20 years!").

Dont know what you're reading for press these days, but all news "data" is colored by "opinion and guesswork." Pick up a yellow rag like the NY Times, and every front page article stinks of end page editorials. Not so much different for right leaning papers either. We Israelis are especially sensitive to this, since events in our country are radically [mis]interpreted on political grounds and published as plain reuters or AFP, etc, feeds. The sorry lot of anti-Israel sensationalist crap like the Mohamed Dura or Jenin coverage says it all.

If the pro Israel Blogs, her's amongst them, try to balance that equation, more power to them. But please do not peddle the line that News Papers and commercial media outlets generally have any more validity or integrity than any blog, left or right; they plainly don't. There are many organizations that track this sorry record, often uncorrected, or corrected in small print on page 600, after the propaganda has been instrumented and politically secured.

Since I am fairly familiar with the Leftist gray lady- it is well known that the NYT hid the fact that there was a Holocaust going on for at least a year. They further hid the fact that the Soviet Union starved their population. And this is just the very visible top of this iceberg. These people are still in business. I say nothing about them giving platform to known terrorists who have declared genocide as their end game. That is their freedom of press prerogative. But when they lie or more poignantly lie for political effect, they are now part of the political world and should not be treated as any 3rd party interested in presenting "facts" much less "truth", what ever that is.

And frankly, global condemnations, w/o any evidence presented, weaken any debate uniformly. We don't know you from Adam, so you have no credibility but your words. I assure you, you bash and bashing will be had quid pro quo.

[Paul Bunyan]

Many of these so called 'peaceful, law abiding' Muslims seem to be seeking other ways to supplant western customs for their own devious means.

So there should be a set of laws for non-Muslims and another set for Muslims? Muslims shouldn't be allowed to function within Western legal systems? Just what are you getting at?

In the end IMHO there will be no compromise between Western customs and those that will be defined as 'Islamic' (e.g. freedom of speech). Freedom of speech isn't just about making movies about how bad Muslims are or cartoons about Muhammad. Freedom of speech is in the Constitution to allow people to criticize government. Without freedom of speech, we are like China. It's your right and your freedom of speech to lobby to change immigration laws. But you can't change the law to unfairly target a group based on their religion, unless you don't think the Constitution is valid, in which case IMO you are a greater danger to this country than Muslims.

When you add the violent acting Muslims together with the radically minded Muslims, the numbers cease to be a true minority. That's actually false.

The radically minded will still give appearances as being peaceful and moderate as they work towards the goal of total dominance over the non-Muslim world. This victory will be obtained by blood, deceit, and using a free society's own laws to undermine that host country. Wow! You sound just like something out of Mein Kampf! "They plot and they scheme and they deceive, etc." That's an unfair blanket statement. We are at war with radical Islam. There are some traitors in our midst. But we don't need Japanese interment camps to remain secure.

Its purpose can only be seen by those that have had the privilege of growing up in a free society as another attempt at global slavery. The drug of empire building is very addictive, but not always redeeming. Hence when the problem of the US and Western societies are held in check, then the world's Jew problem can be addressed once and for all by the Islamic masters. Oh pullease!

The end remains the same even if the in vogue story line keeps changing. Israel and all Jews in general will always be a thorn in the side of Islam. Islam's general attitude towards Israel and Jews in general at this juncture in time is not too flattering. This reflects an attitude that receives its inspiration straight from the pit!!! Now for Islam et al., it's on to world conquest. Why do we have to define ourselves that way? I don't want to be a thorn in your side, do you feel a requirement to be a thorn in mine. It's fair that you ask me to defend against anti-semitism, but I don't feel that I must apostate to do so.