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These are all viable threats that need to be viewed very seriously. It appears that a majority of Muslims in the ME want the elimination of Israel. While all Muslims don't directly participate in terror, one gets the idea that the Muslim perspective is given greater weight over all others, even when it is decidedly evil. First off, who died and made you the judge of what is decidedly evil? At various times on this forum, posters have suggested that a sink to wash one's feet in is decidedly evil, not bringing dogs in ones home is decidedly evil, covering one's head (only if one is a Muslim woman, not if they are an Othodox Jew or a nun) is decidedly evil, etc. The Palestinian issue is uniquely Muslim in that one of the richests religions in the world ignores the plight and poverty of some of the least in their kingdom. And yet you rail day in and day out over any financial support for Palestinians, which you would equate to terrorism. So they are damned if they do and damned if they don't. Personally, I'd rather see that they don't than have to listen to charges of terrorism. If Islam were to walk the walk of alms that so many Muslims talk about, then there would be no Palestinian plight and all the Pals would be living in splendor in a man made paradise in some Muslim city like Dubai. And just how would they manage free trade across checkpoints? The issue with Islam is really the existence of Israel and Jews in general. I'd suggest you reconsider that US or THEM talk. If you really think that 1000 to 1 Muslims are arrayed against you and using our every resource to destroy you, you should see just how different such a scenario would look. |
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No he is quoting Imams. Let me save you some time, you are not changing anyone's mind. Among the imams featured was Abu Usamah, an American-born imam who is one of several rotating imams at the Green Lane Masjid, who was quoted as saying about non-Muslims, "We love the people of Islam and we hate the people of kufr, we hate the kuffaar" (His response? "Kuffaar is a generic term, it is not a derogatory term.") As for women, he added, "Allah has created the woman even if she gets a PhD deficient. Her intellect is incomplete, deficient." Dr. Ijaz Mian of the Ahl-e-Hadith mosque in Derby felt that Muslims should "live live like a state-within-a-state - until you take over," at which time, "if you don't [pray], then we have to bring the punishment on you - you will be killed and nobody will pray for you." Another speaker says that girls should be forced to wear the hijab ("If she doesn't wear hijab, we hit her"). Some of the remarks were found on offending DVDs being sold at a number of high profile institutions, including London's Central Mosque in Regent's Park (the mosque counters that the DVDs were sold by a subcontracted retailer without their knowledge). However, none of the recordings or DVDs showed these views challenged or debated. One of the imams also featured in Dispatches was the Australian-born imam Feiz Mohamed caught on a DVD (the "Death Series", no less - who names these things?) describing Jews as pigs (accompanied by a snorting sound) and calling on Muslim children to be trained as martyrs. "Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid (holy warrior)," he said. "Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom." ("The jihad I speak of is not one of violence," he responded. "It is one of personal struggle against things like mischievousness, temptation and personal harm." No explanation, however, was given on how exactly one "die[s] as a mujahid" or sacrifices blood through this kind of jihad.) In Australia, this expose followed another widely publicized case of self-incrimination from Australian chief mufti, Sheikh Hilali, who had earlier likened non-Muslim women to "uncovered meat" and called non-Muslim Australians "a convict nation of liars". Hilali's defense, as with Feiz and Abu Usamah, was to claim that remarks had been taken out of context. (Abu Usamah even went as far as to release a 30-minute rebuttal on YouTube to address them.) Leaving aside the strained rationale for context (Abu Usamah, for example, stated that military jihad should not happen now, but later when Muslims are stronger), most organizations caught affiliating with them offered fervent defenses of their own work - but little condemnation of the remarks that put them in such a precarious position. |
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