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Good show, keep it up old boy.

British Muslim groups denounce failed bomb attacks

LONDON: Muslim groups in Britain, reacting to failed car bomb attacks in London and Glasgow, launched a campaign Friday to declare that terrorism is "not in our name" and contrary to Islamic teaching. Prime Minister Gordon Brown said he believed the police were making rapid progress in their investigation.

"From what I know, we are getting to the bottom of this cell that has been responsible for what is happening," Brown said in an interview with British Broadcasting Corp. television.

"Now of course it's got to go to court, police have got to continue their investigation, but I want people to know that we have acted very quickly, the authorities have acted very quickly, to deal with potential future incidents."

In Australia on Friday, the police seized computers from two hospitals as they explored connections between a doctor arrested there and the British plotters.

The Muslims United coalition placed advertisements in British national newspapers praising the emergency services as "courageous" and hailing the government's "calm and proportionate" reaction to the crisis.

The "not in our name" theme was borrowed from mass protests in Britain against the invasion of Iraq.

The ads also quoted the Koran: "Whoever kills an innocent soul, it is as if he killed the whole of mankind. And whoever saves one, it is as if he saved the whole of mankind."

Organizers set up a Web site, http://www.Islamispeace.org.uk to promote its message.

From IHT>>

... and from the http://www.Islamispeace.org.uk site:

The Muslim communities across Britain are united in condemning the attempted bombings in London and Glasgow.

We are united with the rest of the country at this critical time and are determined to work together to avert any such attacks targeting our fellow citizens, property and country.

Islam forbids the killing of innocent people. We reject any heinous attempts to link such abhorrent acts to the teachings of Islam.

British Muslims should not be held responsible for the acts of criminals.
We commend the government for its efforts to respond to this crisis calmly and proportionately, and welcome both the Prime Minister Gordon Brown’s and the Home Secretary’s emphasis on the need to distinguish between the overwhelming majority of British Muslims who are law-abiding citizens and a few criminals who seek to inflict harm and terror on our country.

We express support for the emergency services who are working tirelessly and courageously to avert these attacks and ensure the safety of our country.

We urge the media and all politicians to continue to maintain the values of our open society, free from prejudice and discrimination, sustained by tolerance and mutual respect for all.

We call on our government to work towards a just and lasting peace in areas of conflict around the world and to take the lead in helping eliminate the injustices and grievances that foment division and nurture violence.

The unity of our society must be maintained and we must not allow divisions to emerge between us. We must remain friends, neighbours and colleagues, and take Britain forward as one nation – towards a Greater Britain.

[S.T.D.]

What's the deal with Hizb'ut Tariyah (Tahrirh)? Outlawed in many countries for their violent calls for a caliphate and yet the UK leaves them alone? What are they going for with that?

[S.T.D.]

And, BTW, he wrote in Arabic. I don't have a fancy word for saying what it is when you try to decieve us. It is true that most Iranian scholars wrote (in most cased they had to) in Arabic. That doesn't make them Islam's scholars.

I'm not trying to deceive anyone. I don't need to. The sources that I mentioned, however inaccurate and conflicting, were enough to make me question the honesty and knowledge of the people behind the campaign (Muslims United).

I don't want to digress too much from the topic, but the history of Islam in Iran is a very dark chapter in my motherland.

[radikal]

They are attempting to show that Muslims are a part and portion of history, and not just negative history, but something constructive to mankind. It's a reaction to people who are rewriting history to say that Muslims never contributed anything of value. For certain, nobody is entirely defined by their religion, even the Prophet himself couldn't step out of his place and time and be an American or a Brit. Place has value too, and Persian has been a deeply wonderful place over many centuries.

If you read all my posts carefully, I've never said Islam is an all-sinister religion. If it were, nobody would willingly become Muslim. The problem here is not the follower of the religion, but the founder himself. That's why I can easily go along with most Muslims.

In fact the world is very fortunate that only a small minority of Muslims follow the original Islam (Mohammed's Islam) and the majority either don't know about that type of Islam or consciously ignore it.

Let me ask you, how does it make you feel that for all of it's past glories, Iran is defined in the West by the image of Khomeini? If I weren't a Muslim, I'd never know that anything of value came from there, such is the smear campaign to cause people to forget history. Being Muslim has caused me to take a second look at what is said about any people. When people reduce thousands of years of Iran's history to 30 odd years I feel they're ignorant, but I still understand them.

But when one reduces the entire religion of Islam to its prophet's teachings, I certainly don't feel the same way. The negative aspects of Islam (as a religion - guide for life) are simply too vast to ignore or live with.

I got that. I regret it deeply. I hope you'll never know or experience what I have. I wouldn't wish it for any human being :-)

[NeroASERCH]

What's the deal with Hizb'ut Tariyah (Tahrirh)? Outlawed in many countries for their violent calls for a caliphate and yet the UK leaves them alone? What are they going for with that?

That's exactly what David Cameron asked Gordon Brown only a few days ago in the commons, to which the right honourable PM replied "Give us a chance I've only been in the job 5 days", needless to say the oppositions eyebrows had to be physically removed from the ceiling. You may remember that Tony Blair promised to outlaw Hizb'ut Tariyah many moons ago yet did nothing.

[9mm_fan]

Hannibal ante portas! and the Iranian iPod incident showed that the Cave canem sign was but a bluff.

A one Dr Abdul Wahid responds to Newsnights Jeremy Paxmans allegations against Hizb ut-Tahrir in Britain. Apparently Hizb ut-Tahrir aren't a bunch of over zealous anti-Semitic thugs intent on undermining the British way of life, it's all a conspiracy.