[Andromino]

After Ghadaffis fall uncounted numbers of runaway ex-governement soldiers, Ghadaffi loyalists and mercenaries, all armed to the teeth, and countless unguarded weapon deposits pose a major threat to an already heavily unstable region, a conference of regional countries in the algerian capital predicted today :

Libya's neighbours fear 'powder keg' scenario - SAHEL NATIONS - FRANCE 24

[StethyEntinic]

After Ghadaffis fall uncounted numbers of runaway ex-governement soldiers, Ghadaffi loyalists and mercenaries, all armed to the teeth, and countless unguarded weapon deposits pose a major threat to an already heavily unstable region, a conference of regional countries in the algerian capital predicted today :

Libya's neighbours fear 'powder keg' scenario - SAHEL NATIONS - FRANCE 24

The reason for this is that it was done by design. Believing that we went in there for the Libyan people and to bring freedom to the Libyan people is an exercise of naivety. We went in there for the specific purpose of destabilizing the entire region so we could more easily exploit the natural resources and while at the same time keeping them on the Western elites' teat.

[Sdzqerty]

The reason for this is that it was done by design. Believing that we went in there for the Libyan people and to bring freedom to the Libyan people is an exercise of naivety. We went in there for the specific purpose of destabilizing the entire region so we could more easily exploit the natural resources and while at the same time keeping them on the Western elites' teat.

???

So that WHO could exploit the natural resources? Who is going to move into the area and open up shop? The US? France?

[DexOnenlyCymn]

The reason for this is that it was done by design. Believing that we went in there for the Libyan people and to bring freedom to the Libyan people is an exercise of naivety. We went in there for the specific purpose of destabilizing the entire region so we could more easily exploit the natural resources and while at the same time keeping them on the Western elites' teat.

I need to ask from where you draw that opinion?

And just who benefits and how?

I maintain [see how NATO's involvement developed] that the US was deliberately kept in the background in this by its NATO partners. The optics of oil exploitation being one of the reasons.
France with help from Canada and Britain has led this file and the fighting since the beginning. Freedom for the Libyan people may not have been the primary objective, but taking advantage of the uprising to get rid of Ghadaffi was along with protecting oil supplies for Europe.

[Sanremogirl]

After Ghadaffis fall uncounted numbers of runaway ex-governement soldiers, Ghadaffi loyalists and mercenaries, all armed to the teeth, and countless unguarded weapon deposits pose a major threat to an already heavily unstable region, a conference of regional countries in the algerian capital predicted today :

Libya's neighbours fear 'powder keg' scenario - SAHEL NATIONS - FRANCE 24

Voland... this is 'your' war... what are you (as the EU) going to do about this?

[outfinofulpv]

Voland... this is 'your' war... what are you (as the EU) going to do about this?

This has been a NATO and not an EU war.........

[Rexaviennatutr]

This has been a NATO and not an EU war.........

Grrr....damn Belgians stirring things up again

[GitaraMoya]

The reason for this is that it was done by design. Believing that we went in there for the Libyan people and to bring freedom to the Libyan people is an exercise of naivety. We went in there for the specific purpose of destabilizing the entire region so we could more easily exploit the natural resources and while at the same time keeping them on the Western elites' teat.

How does destabilizing the region make it easier to exploit the resources?

What does "keeping them on the western elite's teat" mean?

[mikeydesignzinc]

This has been a NATO and not an EU war.........

For sure it wasn't Germany's war...

[QysnZWB4]

How does destabilizing the region make it easier to exploit the resources?

A valid question. Especially since Europe and the US have been (rightly) accused to have favoured stability over democracy with support for Mubarak, Ghaddafi and other arab dinosaurs..........

[Opening-auto]

For sure it wasn't Germany's war...

Germany made reasonable points for staying out, although many are trying to paint this as exclusively "pacifism" of some sort. If that was the right decision (like in Iraq) remains to be seen in Libya, but it is definitely a little early to yell "mission accomplished" and go home.

[vicgirl]

Germany made reasonable points for staying out, although many are trying to paint this as exclusively "pacifism" of some sort. If that was the right decision (like in Iraq) remains to be seen in Libya, but it is definitely a little early to yell "mission accomplished" and go home.

Well, it wasn't a snide comment in any case.

[pageup85]

Aned both your countries were wrong on Iraq, and that's not a snide comment either.

[Queuerriptota]

Aned both your countries were wrong on Iraq, and that's not a snide comment either.

Wrong? Wrong about what? (Oooh, this is going to be good, I can tell...)

[kathy]

Excited? Wrong about not supporting our invasion...good deal on Libya - better late than never.

[discountviagraman]

Excited? Wrong about not supporting our invasion...good deal on Libya - better late than never.

Yes? Wrong how, and why? Don't make me waterboard you now, you know you'll tell me in the end.

[rionetrozasa]

Cute. But yeah even though the French had a good thing going under Saddam you would have prospered equally well if you were a part of the Coallition that removed Saddam. Your comments above about French oil contracts in Libya were interesting - i mean if the Chinese don't agree to unfreezing some of the Libyan assets the UN can't free half the money the Libyans need to rebuild it all...going the UN route rarely works.

[Stovegeothnon]

Cute. But yeah even though the French had a good thing going under Saddam you would have prospered equally well if you were a part of the Coallition that removed Saddam. Your comments above about French oil contracts in Libya were interesting - i mean if the Chinese don't agree to unfreezing some of the Libyan assets the UN can't free half the money the Libyans need to rebuild it all...going the UN route rarely works.

Meh. You assume that Chirac's reluctance to join your merry band of invaders was entirely due to economic interest. First, by doing that, you imply that the US motivations for invading were of a similar nature, even if you don't realize it. Second, you'll have to exert yourself a little if you want to make it stick, providing some numbers would be a start, some neocon opinion piece you stumbled upon ten years ago won't cut it. Finally, I could make an equally good case that the French reluctance to join in your war is proof in and of itself that their motivation had nothing to do with self-interest, since the demise of Saddam Hussein's regime was highly predictable, not to say ineluctable, considering President Bush's determination to bring it about. As you say, it would have made more sense for the French to join your little club, if they were greedy bastards, that is.

[irridgita]

And i'd make an equally painful point of saying that the burden of proof was on you to prove that you're not...

As for the rest of it, i was only appealing to your economic senasibilities, not inferring the only and determinable motive was profit. I would think its rather pointless appealing to your militaristic side, so i gave it a shot on the financial side.

[NEWyear]

And i'd make an equally painful point of saying that the burden of proof was on you to prove that you're not...

As for the rest of it, i was only appealing to your economic senasibilities, not inferring the only and determinable motive was profit. I would think its rather pointless appealing to your militaristic side, so i gave it a shot on the financial side.

Oh, come on. War is a waste of money in any case, unless you're going to seize territory. And I really fail to see what martial glory there could possibly be in the US beating up on Iraq, or NATO doing the same to Libya. I mean, really.