[pkxlugbsbv]

You can repeat this mantra till cows come home, it will not change the fact that Taliban consists of Afghans. And they are not going to stop fighting until the invaders will leave.

"Invaders" which have the support of the Afghan government and, according to polls, the majority of the Afghan people.

According to a May 2009 BBC poll, 69% of Afghans surveyed thought it was at least mostly good that the U.S. military came in to remove the Taliban.

The poll indicated that 63% of Afghans were at least somewhat supportive of a U.S. military presence in the country.

90% of Afghans surveyed opposed the presence of Taliban fighters, including 70% who were strongly opposed. By an 82%–4% margin, people said they preferred the current government to Taliban rule.

In a June 2009 Gallup survey, about half of Afghan respondents felt that additional U.S. forces would help stabilize the security situation in the southern provinces.

War in Afghanistan (2001?present) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[jabader]

I take it there are no German soldiers in Afghanistan then?

You remind me of the Irish Republican loons on certain Irish discussion forums who condemn the "evil, British imperialists in Afghanistan" who then go strangely quiet when someone points out to them that Ireland has sent troops to Afghanistan, too.

And the Tommies have gone to Afghanistan, like the Germans, to kill Taliban, a medieval sect which believes that women should be treated like chattel and which murders girls on their way to school because it believes girls shouldn't have an education.

An idiot is an idiot, no matter which colors he flies. If someone decides to get trained to kill, travels to a foreign country to kill people and gets himself killed in the process, this doesn't exactly resemble to a tragedy.

I was in the streets to protest against these wars exactly because of stuff like this. Now I have to listen to lazy westeners complaining about war beeing war while farting into their armchairs.

All these fake statements of compassion are like the tricks of a cute monkey. They are trained by society to fake others into believing you care about what happens there. But you don't. You go to work, go home, you f*ck, you eat, you shit. And in the end, you don't give a crap about what's happening there at all. But once one of your beloved "good guys" is killed, you're suddenly totally "shocked" and disgusted by these "atrocities".

But I deny you these fake statements of compassion. I say: Even if this guy had gotten a bullet into his head straight in your very own front yard, as long as this whole conflict does not affect you in the slightest, you do not care. You would never let this conflict affect you in your personal life.

Neither do I anymore. But I refuse to call this a tragedy; I refuse to fake feelings about a death which doesn't affect me in the slightest way. This guy had it coming.

The only tragedy involved here happened to the family of this guy. But that's their cross to bear. I did all I could stopping this war. Now some people have to face the consequences.

[AOE6q4bu]

An idiot is an idiot, no matter which colors he flies. If someone decides to get trained to kill, travels to a foreign country to kill people and gets himself killed in the process, this doesn't exactly resemble to a tragedy.

He didn't decide to travel to Afghanistan to fight in a war. The British Government ordered him to do so.

And at least British soldiers do actually engage the enemy from time to time and take part in battles. No lazing about in the relative safety of their camp drinking beer and playing table football all day and being told they cannot fight at night "because it is too dangerous" like the Germans.

And we need soldiers in Britain so it's a good thing we have brave lads wanting to join up. I don't think it'd be wise to be without an army.

[AlexanderDrew]

I was in the streets to protest against these wars exactly because of stuff like this. Now I have to listen to lazy westeners complaining about war beeing war while farting into their armchairs.

What the fuck would you know about war? Just because you have no sense of honor yourself doesn't mean you need to go around shitting on the honor of others.

Yes, this Highlander joined the Royal Army of his own free will, trained to fight a war, was sent to one, and was killed. He knew the risks yet he went freely anyway. He should be honored for that.

[AntonioMQ]

He didn't decide to travel to Afghanistan to fight in a war. The British Government ordered him to do so.

And at least British soldiers do actually engage the enemy from time to time and take part in battles. No lazing about in the relative safety of their camp drinking beer and playing table football all day and being told they cannot fight at night "because it is too dangerous" like the Germans.

And we need soldiers in Britain so it's a good thing we have brave lads wanting to join up. I don't think it'd be wise to be without an army.

Yeah, how could he have expected to go to war ever

Interesting, you could have said the british people sent him there, but you insist the british government sent him there. But either of it is crap. He knew what would be coming if he joined and he joined anyway. He probably expected to experience a well payed, nice adventure while butchering third world savages, but unfortunately, these savages weren't as defenceless as expected. He was killed in the process of killing, and in the end, his death will be as worthless as the death of the savages who executed him (they are probably dead by now, if not, they'll manage to be soon). He will not be remembered, for people don't truly care for what he was fighting for.

Oh, and by the way: You can laugh about the Bundeswehr as much as you want. They ARE a laughable bunch of goons. Our politicians as well as our civil society ensures that, and the times when any german took pride in our armed forces are long over. The vast majority of germans is pacifist, a sizeable minority even radical pacifist.

Last thing I want to mention here is that I posted stuff like my previous posts also in threads about german casualities some years ago. To me, anyone who fights or fought in "Our" wars (we=the west) of the first decade of our century is either a fool, was fooled or takes generally pride in taking up arms "for his country" (or rather: for himself). And the only kind of soldier I have some respect for when it comes to the wars of the first decade is the latter. These kind of soldiers are the only ones who are not pawns in my eyes. They enjoy battle and they live for battle. Something a good christian should despise, in my eyes.

[*Playergirl*]

What the fuck would you know about war? Just because you have no sense of honor yourself doesn't mean you need to go around shitting on the honor of others.

Yes, this Highlander joined the Royal Army of his own free will, trained to fight a war, was sent to one, and was killed. He knew the risks yet he went freely anyway. He should be honored for that.

Cui honorem, honorem. Feel free to honour his sacrifice, feel free to remember it. For me, I doubt anything but my very own opening post will enable you remembering this guys name for longer than two weeks.

Horrific, the idea to sacrifice yourself for some illlusion and nobody but your family truly gives a shit. I mean, if he had saved somebody's life or fought for the freedom of somebody. Now he's rotting in a tin can while his fellow citizens eagerly discuss stuff like this:

Girl evicted after noisy sex | The Sun |News

[Uciaucrx]

Number of fatalities in Afghanistan

USA: 1,531
UK: 374 (375 if the missing British soldier has been killed)
Canada: 154
France: 63
Germany: 56
Denmark: 40
Italy: 39
Spain: 30
Australia: 27
Poland: 26
Netherlands: 25
Romania: 19
Norway: 10
Georgia: 9
Estonia: 8
Hungary: 6

Others: 26

You forgot the 10K afghan soldiers killed as well as the 10's of thousands of civilians killed.

[SarkisPioute]

An idiot is an idiot, no matter which colors he flies. If someone decides to get trained to kill, travels to a foreign country to kill people and gets himself killed in the process, this doesn't exactly resemble to a tragedy.

I was in the streets to protest against these wars exactly because of stuff like this. Now I have to listen to lazy westeners complaining about war beeing war while farting into their armchairs.

All these fake statements of compassion are like the tricks of a cute monkey. They are trained by society to fake others into believing you care about what happens there. But you don't. You go to work, go home, you f*ck, you eat, you shit. And in the end, you don't give a crap about what's happening there at all. But once one of your beloved "good guys" is killed, you're suddenly totally "shocked" and disgusted by these "atrocities".

But I deny you these fake statements of compassion. I say: Even if this guy had gotten a bullet into his head straight in your very own front yard, as long as this whole conflict does not affect you in the slightest, you do not care. You would never let this conflict affect you in your personal life.

Neither do I anymore. But I refuse to call this a tragedy; I refuse to fake feelings about a death which doesn't affect me in the slightest way. This guy had it coming.

The only tragedy involved here happened to the family of this guy. But that's their cross to bear. I did all I could stopping this war. Now some people have to face the consequences.

Well said. Phony compassion is a bore.

[Gubocang]

This thread has turned very disgusting with the anti-soldier sentiments. Regardless of what war they fight or whether they're ever called to fight, they deserve more respect than I'm seeing from some here.

[Sxedlawb]

Soldiers don't get to pick their battles. Clearly there are folks here who do not honor the military and the sacrifices made every day. That's their shame.

Lucky for them, these kids will offer their lives up for their detractors as much as for their supporters if the need ever arises. That's the whole honor thing that escapes so many here.

[Johnny]

Cui honorem, honorem. Feel free to honour his sacrifice, feel free to remember it. For me, I doubt anything but my very own opening post will enable you remembering this guys name for longer than two weeks.

Horrific, the idea to sacrifice yourself for some illlusion and nobody but your family truly gives a shit. I mean, if he had saved somebody's life or fought for the freedom of somebody. Now he's rotting in a tin can while his fellow citizens eagerly discuss stuff like this:

Girl evicted after noisy sex | The Sun |News

Illusion? Surely you'll conceed that that is entirely subjective. Men like Highlander McLaren fight and sacrifice for their own reasons, just like those on the other side fight and sacrifice for theirs. If he was anything like me, he didn't give a damn what his fellow citizens thought of his service. If he was like me, all he would care about is whether he would be able to go to his ancestors with his head held high.

Highlander McLaren served with honor, yet died in a very shitty way. It is a shame that he wasn't, apparently, able to take any of his enemy with him. Still, I hope he met his fate by staring it in the eye. My beef here, mabus, is with you shitting on his death and shitting on his honor simply because you don't apparently share his outlook. To me, that is just as disgusting as all the faux compassion we see here.

[Azzi_Kahlila]

"Invaders" which have the support of the Afghan government and, according to polls, the majority of the Afghan people.

Government that was put in place by US and UK?!
And Afghans keep fighting you because they support you very much?!
You are deluded.

[mralabama]

What the fuck would you know about war? Just because you have no sense of honor

What he said is right. It is not nice to read, but it is right.

Military personnel can claim "honor" when they DEFEND their land against invaders, not when they go into some other country to invade it and kill its people for the sake of enrichment of the governing elites that use military as their toy.

I understand that politicians start the wars, and military has to die for it, and the death of each soldier and officer is a tragedy to their families and friends; but what mabus said is right.

[Ngwkgczx]

No, Soot, before they invented the Newspeak, goodthink, phrase "collateral damage" for killing women and kids, the operative word was "murder", possibly second degree murder, but still murder.

From Dictionary.com

mur·der   /ˈmɜrdər/ Show Spelled
[mur-der] Show IPA
–noun
1. Law . the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. In the U.S., special statutory definitions include murder committed with malice aforethought, characterized by deliberation or premeditation or occurring during the commission of another serious crime, as robbery or arson (first-degree murder), and murder by intent but without deliberation or premeditation (second-degree murder).

I see both sides, Tom, believe me. But, if the Taliban killed this soldier, it's also murder.

I don't like what we are doing over there, but you have to call a spade a spade.

[Valdoyes]

Soldiers don't get to pick their battles. Clearly there are folks here who do not honor the military and the sacrifices made every day. That's their shame.

Lucky for them, these kids will offer their lives up for their detractors as much as for their supporters if the need ever arises. That's the whole honor thing that escapes so many here.

A lot of us will oil our weapons if the need arises, but as you point out, it hasn't yet. We now have Homeland Security to protect the country and the military has, effectively, become the US Foreign Legion that enforces helicopter gunship diplomacy.

[dHXaE2h9]

A lot of us will oil our weapons if the need arises, but as you point out, it hasn't yet. We now have Homeland Security to protect the country and the military has, effectively, become the US Foreign Legion that enforces helicopter gunship diplomacy.

Yeah right. Your weapons. Fortunately we don't have to count on your bravery.

[Immarsecice]

Yeah right. Your weapons. Fortunately we don't have to count on your bravery.

What do you use for evidence or thought processes when you come up with that kind of ad hominem bullshit?

[PekHyvac]

What do you use for evidence or thought processes when you come up with that kind of ad hominem bullshit?

Bull shit?

[Aleenkagirlla]

Bull shit?

Yes, bullshit. I have weapons and I'm not afraid to use them to protect myself, my family, and my neighbors. What's your question?

[ChrisGoldstein]

Yes, bullshit. I have weapons and I'm not afraid to use them to protect myself, my family, and my neighbors. What's your question?

Don't shoot!

You asked a question, I offered an answer...