[bonyrek]

Are you denying that US/international community financed, trained and armed Afghan war lords (including OBL) that later formed what is known now as Taliban?

If he's not, I will. OBL was not an Afghan warlord. He was a Saudi Arab (of Yemeni extraction) that came to Afghanistan for "jihad" and helped route other Arabs to the cause. They were, of course, radicalized by the Soviet incursion into a Muslim country. Mr. bin Laden was a millionaire financier of the jihad. He didn't need U.S. help and denied having received any.

Are you denying the US went into Afghanistan to take control of the pipeline and natural resources, even installed former Halliburton consultant as "president"; but since you failed miserably and China quietly started reaping the benefits you began talks with the war lords/Taliban -- that same "Taliban" you are supposedly fighting? The U.S. supported Afghan mujahideen in their fight against the Soviets during the '80s. The Taliban is a movement that developed under the leadership of a mullah in Kandahar in the '90s as a response to factional fighting among the mujahideen. It's two different things.

[valiumcheapll]

If he's not, I will. OBL was not an Afghan warlord. He was a Saudi Arab (of Yemeni extraction) that came to Afghanistan for "jihad" and helped route other Arabs to the cause. They were, of course, radicalized by the Soviet incursion into a Muslim country. Mr. bin Laden was a millionaire financier of the jihad. He didn't need U.S. help and denied having received any.



The U.S. supported Afghan mujahideen in their fight against the Soviets during the '80s. The Taliban is a movement that developed under the leadership of a mullah in Kandahar in the '90s as a response to factional fighting among the mujahideen. It's two different things.

Dingdingding!

FD gets a cookie. He paid attention in history class(es).

Not that it will matter. My prediction - dodging, diffusion, disappointment, then disappearance.

[sam]

He didn't need U.S. help and denied having received any.



The U.S. supported Afghan mujahideen in their fight against the Soviets during the '80s. The Taliban is a movement that developed under the leadership of a mullah in Kandahar in the '90s as a response to factional fighting among the mujahideen. It's two different things.

I know who OBL was. I also know that he was working with CIA in Afghanistan.

You can call them "mujahideen", "war lords", "talibs", "shoe boxes" it doesn't matter: they were and are those who fought against the Soviets, and who your country trained, financed and armed for the fight. The fact that they were forming and dissolving their "coalitions" and "factions" is irrelevant -- Taliban was not transported to Afghanistan from Mars. Oh, and much of the weapons Afghans use against you are the same you armed them with.

[NEWyear]

We gave the Afghans AK 47s?


Or were those dropped by retreating Russian conscripts?

[Seiblybiozy]

We gave the Afghans AK 47s?


Or were those dropped by retreating Russian conscripts?

Some were captured from the USSR, and some were bought from Egypt's stockpiles, and eventually there was very prolific indigenous production of cheap AK's in Afghanistan.

[LoveTTatall]

We gave the Afghans AK 47s?


Or were those dropped by retreating Russian conscripts?

Better tell us about victories professionals from US achieved there in 10 years of fighting, and that is WITHOUT Russia helping Afghans!

Are you saying Afghans are whipping the arses of the US/UK professional military armed only with AK-47?!


You have nothing to crow about, I'm afraid.

Then again, remind me, please, what was the "mission" of US in Afghanistan?

[actifadepette]

Better tell us about victories professionals from US achieved there in 10 years of fighting, and that is WITHOUT Russia helping Afghans!

Are you saying Afghans are whipping the arses of the US/UK professional military armed only with AK-47?!


You have nothing to crow about, I'm afraid.

Then again, remind me, please, what was the "mission" of US in Afghanistan?

Dodge dodge dodge

[FEti0TUI]

Dodge dodge dodge

So, what was the mission?

[Jjfotqse]

So, what was the mission?

Irrelevant to the discussion.

[alegsghed]

I know who OBL was.

Then why did you say he was an Afghan warlord? Were you deliberately trying to mislead people?

I also know that he was working with CIA in Afghanistan. You do, huh? Kind of like how my brother knew that Laurence Fishburne starred in Star Wars Episode I, I suppose.

You can call them "mujahideen", "war lords", "talibs", "shoe boxes" it doesn't matter: they were and are those who fought against the Soviets, and who your country trained, financed and armed for the fight. The fact that they were forming and dissolving their "coalitions" and "factions" is irrelevant -- Taliban was not transported to Afghanistan from Mars. Oh, and much of the weapons Afghans use against you are the same you armed them with.

They would have had no reason to fight were they not invaded by the USSR. Amusing that you blame the U.S. for providing Afghans the means to defend themselves.

Mullah Omar was a veteran of the Afghan-Soviet War. He learned to fight because the Soviets invaded his country, but given that a decade had passed, it's unclear if/how many of his students (who formed the Taliban) were also veterans like him; nor is it even clear that Mullah Omar or any of his students ever received U.S. financing/training ... not that it has any relevance to the discussion. This is just an old boring anti-American canard.

[cindygirl]

Irrelevant to the discussion.

Stating the mission is irrelevant to a discussion whether the mission is accomplished or not (see the title of the thread)?!

[Tusethede]

I know who OBL was. I also know that he was working with CIA in Afghanistan.

Actually, there's no evidence that the CIA worked with anyone outside of the Afghan mujahideen (which doesn't include Bin Laden, as he was a foreigner). Both Ayman al-Zawahiri and Osama Bin Laden himself have both said that they received no help from the US in the fight against the Soviets, though it's certainly possible that they'd want to distance themselves even if they had.

[mosypeSom]

Stating the mission is irrelevant to a discussion whether the mission is accomplished or not (see the title of the thread)?!

So, do you have ADD, or are you just so dishonest that you won't admit that we were discussing something else?

[krasniyluch]

Then why did you say he was an Afghan warlord? Were you deliberately trying to mislead people?



You do, huh? Kind of like how my brother


They would have had no reason to fight were they not invaded by the USSR.
Mullah Omar was a veteran of the Afghan-Soviet War. He learned to fight because the Soviets invaded his country, but given that a decade had passed,

it's unclear if/how many of his students (who formed the Taliban) were also veterans like him; nor is it even clear that Mullah Omar or any of his students ever received U.S. financing/training ...

not that it has any relevance to the discussion. This is just an old boring anti-American canard.

Did I? I thought I said: "Are you denying that US/international community financed, trained and armed Afghan war lords (including OBL)".

I don't know your brother and can not coment on what he does. However, I provided links to the sources of my information on one of the threads. And if you are interested, you can type in the question yourself.

They were in the process of infighting by the time the USSR invaded in support of one of the sides. You supported the other side. It won and eventually formed into Taliban.

Unclear to whom?

It is very relevant since the mission (one of the "missions" as they seemed to mutate as they progressed) was to oust Taliban -- a US creation. And now US/UK hold talks with "Taliban" or whatever you will choose to call them in order to withdraw leaving a messed up country to make it difficult for China to do business with.

[RobertLS]

Actually, there's no evidence that the CIA worked with anyone outside of the Afghan mujahideen (which doesn't include Bin Laden, as he was a foreigner).

Both Ayman al-Zawahiri and Osama Bin Laden himself have both said that they received no help from the US in the fight against the Soviets, though it's certainly possible that they'd want to distance themselves even if they had.

And CIA is touchy about working with "foreigners"?

Yesterday as I was picking the links for "CIA Osama connection" I watched how one of CIA men was talking of meeting Osama in Afghanistan... It was interesting...

[QysnZWB4]

So, do you have ...something else?

Can you formulate that "mission" the US had in Afghanistan so we can see if it is accomplished or not?

[xtrupoke]

Can you formulate that "mission" the US had in Afghanistan so we can see if it is accomplished or not?

Given your consistent refusal to ever actually answer a direct question:

take some sand


pound it.

[JackTimQSR]

Did I? I thought I said: "Are you denying that US/international community financed, trained and armed Afghan war lords (including OBL)".

Yes. So, I ask again, why did you say he was an Afghan warlord? Were you attempting to deliberately mislead?

However, I provided links to the sources of my information on one of the threads. And if you are interested, you can type in the question yourself. I'm not. That tripe was debunked within about a month of 9/11 and has long since stopped being interesting.

They were in the process of infighting by the time the USSR invaded in support of one of the sides. You supported the other side. It won and eventually formed into Taliban. False. For example, we did support Gulbuddin Hekmatyar (admittedly not a nice guy) in the Afghan-Soviet War. He headed the government that was deposed by the Taliban. He certainly was not one of them.

Unclear to whom? Folks that require evidence.

It is very relevant since the mission (one of the "missions" as they seemed to mutate as they progressed) was to oust Taliban -- a US creation. And now US/UK hold talks with "Taliban" or whatever you will choose to call them in order to withdraw leaving a messed up country to make it difficult for China to do business with. Nope, still not relevant. I suspect you're just looking for an outlet to vent frustration related to having lost in Afghanistan. :: shrug ::

[spineeupsenry]

Given your t

I understand. You can't say anything about your country's "mission" that is now "accomplished".

That's all right.

[dasneycomrov]

Yes. So, I ask again, why did you say he was an Afghan warlord? Were you attempting to deliberately mislead?



I'm not.


False.


Folks that require evidence.



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And I am telling you once again: read what I posted.

As you wish.

Of course!

What for? So you can call it "tripe", "false", "conspiracy"? You don't need "evidence". The only thing you need is for reality to finally start knocking on your door. Not long now...
Even British -- the most pro-American nation on Earth -- are saying their "cousins across the pond" live in a bubble, I say you live on a different planet and the only window to the rest of the world for you is Hollywood/media... Come to think of it, with the state of today's media who needs Hollywood...