[AlabamaBoyz]

During the commute home last night I caught an investigative report on NPR discussing two heretofore "secret" prisons for terrorists and those aiding terror organs located within the United States.

Formally known as Communications Management Units (CMU) one is located in Terre Haute, Ind., and the other in Marion, Ill.

The thinking behind the CMU system is to segragate terrorists and those with terrorist ties from general prison populations in order to prevent their "converting" inmates within the federal prison system to radical Islam.

Personally, I think it's absolutey necessary, but I'm curious what your thoughts are on the matter:

'Guantanamo North': Inside Secretive U.S. Prisons : NPR

[Twendypreency]

I support it.

[AcecePesFeacy]

Why secret?

[uneniaPhenits]

Why secret?

My understanding (based on the audio I heard last night which just skimmed over it briefly) is that these facilities didn't jump through all of the regulatory hoops that are required in opening a new federal corrections facility and that some of their policies aren't in line with the regulations associated with administering a federal prison.

I would expect that would have something to do with them being kept relatively secret, but I'm just supposing here.

[violetgorman]

Why secret?

Because nasty stuff happens there. Like all ordinary people who support atrocities, the people who support this kind of "law enforcement" prefer not to get an impression of how their medicine tastes, hence the secrecy. This way, folks can continue to fool themselves into believing that they are "the good guys" while not having to realize how despicable their "values" are when put into action.

[Ferkilort]

I'm not so sure the "terrorists" would fare so well in our regular system. It's one thing to for a person or persons to design a bomb or plan an attack, quite another to convince a 300lb Bubba that your just there for a shower and picking up the soap isn't an invitation. If there are guys more fearsom than the ones in our prison system, I've yet to meet them.

[TCjwwhcY]

Because nasty stuff happens there. Like all ordinary people who support atrocities, the people who support this kind of "law enforcement" prefer not to get an impression of how their medicine tastes, hence the secrecy. This way, folks can continue to fool themselves into believing that they are "the good guys" while not having to realize how despicable their "values" are when put into action.

I disagree.

I think that most ordinary people either know or suspect what kinds of "atrocities" might likely be happening inside these facilities.

And I further suspect that by and large they just don't give a shit.

[Swidemaiskikemu]

Because nasty stuff happens there. Like all ordinary people who support atrocities, the people who support this kind of "law enforcement" prefer not to get an impression of how their medicine tastes, hence the secrecy. This way, folks can continue to fool themselves into believing that they are "the good guys" while not having to realize how despicable their "values" are when put into action.

This is what the guy you supported for President is doing. Feel duped yet?

[Uttephabeta]

Works for me...

[agiopwer]

The thought of the government of the USA having secret prisons should terrify any of us.

[Tic Tac Took]

The thought of the government of the USA having secret prisons should terrify any of us.

Especially with B. Hussein Obama running them.

[FreeOEMcheapestPHOTOSHOP]

Because nasty stuff happens there. Like all ordinary people who support atrocities, the people who support this kind of "law enforcement" prefer not to get an impression of how their medicine tastes, hence the secrecy. This way, folks can continue to fool themselves into believing that they are "the good guys" while not having to realize how despicable their "values" are when put into action.

Well, on the flip side, nearly every major government does shady things behind closed doors. Wikileaks has done a good job of showing this.

It's not like the American government is the only one participating in this sort of thing among highly developed nations.

[MizzDaizzy]

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

[Bletlemof]

Why secret?

They're not secret. Marion and Terre Haute are 2 of the most well known prison facilities in the country.

[Flalafuse]

They're not secret. Marion and Terre Haute are 2 of the most well known prison facilities in the country.

Marion and Terre Haute are well known (or at least I'll take you word for it as my knowledge of the federal prison system is saddly deficient).

The CMUs that are part of those facilities are not.

They're not even listed on Federal Bureau of Prisons website.

For example:

BOP: FCC Terre Haute

The entry for the Terre Haute Federal Correctional Complex includes listings for the Federal Correctional Institution (FCI), and the United States Penitentiary (USP), and even mentions the Special Confinement Unit (SCU - death row I guess?) within the USP.

But it doesn't make any mention of the CMU which is located within the complex.

[hellencomstar]

Marion and Terre Haute are well known (or at least I'll take you word for it as my knowledge of the federal prison system is saddly deficient).

The CMUs that are part of those facilities are not.

They're not even listed on Federal Bureau of Prisons website.

For example:

BOP: FCC Terre Haute

The entry for the Terre Haute Federal Correctional Complex includes listings for the Federal Correctional Institution (FCI), and the United States Penitentiary (USP), and even mentions the Special Confinement Unit (SCU - death row I guess?) within the USP.

But it doesn't make any mention of the CMU which is located within the complex.

I typed "Communications Management Unit" into the searchbox on that website and this is what I came up with...

Following 9/11, in support of the Department of Justice and the nation in the war on terrorism, the BOP adopted its 7th strategic planning national goal – counter-terrorism. It adopted numerous strategies and procedures in support of this goal. Examples of major related activities include:

In 2006, the Bureau activated the Counter-Terrorism Unit (CTU) to assist in identifying inmates involved in terrorist activities; coordinate translation services; monitor/analyze terrorist inmate communications; develop and provide relevant training; and collaborate with other correctional agencies, law enforcement, and the intelligence community.

In FY07, the first Communications Management Unit (CMU) was established at FCC Terre Haute, IN, to house inmates who, due to their current offense, conduct, or other verified information, require increased monitoring of communications with persons in the community to ensure the safe, secure, and orderly running of BOP facilities, and to protect the public.

The Bureau Celebrates 80th Anniversary

The existence of the CMU is certainly not very much of a secret if the Federal Bureau of Prisons is bragging about it on their website.

NPR is just using the term "secretive" to make it sound like there is something sinister going on. Don't drink the leftist koolaid.

The thinking behind the CMU system is to segragate terrorists and those with terrorist ties from general prison populations in order to prevent their "converting" inmates within the federal prison system to radical Islam.

Personally, I think it's absolutey necessary, but I'm curious what your thoughts are on the matter:

I think it's an excellent idea. Alot of people convert to Islam while they are in prison, and that can actually be a good thing if it helps rehabilitate them. However, we certainly don't want them being radicalized by terrorist types and then let loose on the streets.

[HassFks]

I typed "Communications Management Unit" into the searchbox on that website and this is what I came up with...

I guess maybe I entered CMU.

NPR is just using the term "secretive" to make it sound like there is something sinister going on. Don't drink the leftist koolaid. I don't really think NPR is leftist at all.

And if I didn't hear about this until last week they're certainly not bragging on it too hard.

Their reporting is pretty balanced compared to...just about everything else.
I think it's an excellent idea. Alot of people convert to Islam while they are in prison, and that can actually be a good thing if it helps rehabilitate them. However, we certainly don't want them being radicalized by terrorist types and then let loose on the streets. I've started think that I'm a LOT more concerned about what's going on in European prisons where no effort at all is made to segregate.

Worse, there are so many Muslims in, say, Britain, and they make up such a large part of the prison population, that I don't know that segregation is even a realistic option.

[Raj_Copi_Jin]

During the commute home last night I caught an investigative report on NPR discussing two heretofore "secret" prisons for terrorists and those aiding terror organs located within the United States.

Formally known as Communications Management Units (CMU) one is located in Terre Haute, Ind., and the other in Marion, Ill.

The thinking behind the CMU system is to segragate terrorists and those with terrorist ties from general prison populations in order to prevent their "converting" inmates within the federal prison system to radical Islam.

Personally, I think it's absolutey necessary, but I'm curious what your thoughts are on the matter:

'Guantanamo North': Inside Secretive U.S. Prisons : NPR

The titling of the article seems unduly alarming and misleading although that may be accidental.

These prisoners are not being held in a 'secret' prison. They are being detained in federal prisons and they can be located even by using the federal inmate locator of the Federal Bureau of Prisons, e.g., from the OP article:

. . . Hedaya Jayyousi's husband, Kifah, served in the U.S. Navy. He also taught engineering. Then he was convicted of supporting groups in Bosnia and Chechnya that the U.S. government says are tied to terrorism. Kifah Jayyousi has lived in both CMUs. . . . Inmate Locator - Locate Federal inmates from 1982 to present
Name Register # Age-Race-Sex Release Date
Location
1. KIFAH WAEL JAYYOUSI 39551-039 49-White-M 09-15-2017 MARION USP BOP: Inmate Locator Main Page

When I envision 'secret prisons,' I envision some creepy, sinister unpublicised camp or underground place where detained people are secretively taken for illegal and cruel interrogations with the intent to make them 'disappear,' etc.

What I read in the OP article doesn't alarm me. It's pretty standard and actually expected that prison systems categorise and handle people according to assessments of their crimes, the possible or real dangers they pose to themselves, others and prison order, etc. When dealing with people linked significantly to terrorism, gangs and other subversive groups and/or those seeking to cause strife or recruitment into such things within the prison system or outside it to the extent they can, such types are going to get more 'supermax'-like supervision and restrictions than others.