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Old 12-10-2009, 12:39 PM   #21
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Sadly, both sides commit crimes against humanity. Some do it for secular reasons, some in the name of religion.

All should be condemned.

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Old 12-10-2009, 01:21 PM   #22
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Greetings and Felicitations,

A clue that you should not let your house be used as a terrorist attack base
And when the terrorist who up at your house and say.

Let us use your house as a base. If you do not we will kill you, your father and mother, grandmother and grandfather, sisters and brothers, and so on.

What do you do?

In actuality all you are doing is continuing the long line of justifications promoted by both sides of the conflict. A never ending series of excuses.

Sincerely Yours,
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Old 12-10-2009, 01:42 PM   #23
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Greetings and Felicitations,



And when the terrorist who up at your house and say.

Let us use your house as a base. If you do not we will kill you, your father and mother, grandmother and grandfather, sisters and brothers, and so on.

What do you do?

In actuality all you are doing is continuing the long line of justifications promoted by both sides of the conflict. A never ending series of excuses.

Sincerely Yours,
C. David Neely
What you do is remember who they are (because it's hard to hid who you are in that culture, they seem to all know each other). You then get the community together and kill them all. Problem solved. If you let yourself be a patsy for decades you can't complain when you get rolled over by the next person (IDF) that comes through.
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Old 12-10-2009, 01:45 PM   #24
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Islamic Law, has never said that Jews or Christians are second or third class. Infact Islam considers them The People of the Book. Muslims are allowed to marry from People of the Book, we are allowed to do business with them, marry into them, etc because they believe in the same God.
This isn't entirely true. Yes, the Koran calls them People of the Book and all but they are still treated differently than what a Muslim would be treated. Let's consider, for a moment, the extra tax that they can be legally charged, if they are living in Muslim controlled land. That's just one example of a few.
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Old 12-10-2009, 02:36 PM   #25
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Greetings and Felicitations,

What you do is remember who they are (because it's hard to hid who you are in that culture, they seem to all know each other). You then get the community together and kill them all. Problem solved. If you let yourself be a patsy for decades you can't complain when you get rolled over by the next person (IDF) that comes through.
Like I said. Nothing but a continued line of justifications to excuse what is being done. It is all their fault. We have no responsibility because we are only reacting to what they are doing.
It is not our fault you see how they are.
It is not our fault you see how they are.
It is not our fault you see how they are.
It is not our fault you see how they are.
It is not our fault you see how they are.
It is not our fault you see how they are.
It is not our fault you see how they are.

Sincerely Yours,
C. David Neely
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Old 12-10-2009, 02:39 PM   #26
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Like I said. Nothing but a continued line of justifications to excuse what is being done. It is all their fault. We have no responsibility because we are only reacting to what they are doing.
It is not our fault you see how they are.
It is not our fault you see how they are.
It is not our fault you see how they are.
It is not our fault you see how they are.
It is not our fault you see how they are.
It is not our fault you see how they are.
It is not our fault you see how they are.
Ironically, this came after your line of justification for one allowing terrorists to use his house as a base of operations.
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Old 12-10-2009, 03:23 PM   #27
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Ironically, this came after your line of justification for one allowing terrorists to use his house as a base of operations.
yeah, right? *shrug*
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Old 12-10-2009, 04:05 PM   #28
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Picaro,

Answer this: Should Israel move out of illegally held land in the West bank? What right do you think they have to that land?
right of conquest.
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Old 12-10-2009, 04:26 PM   #29
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Lets make something very clear here. Zionism is what Islam is against. Infact truthful Jews and Pure Judaism is against Zionism. The whole world should be against Zionism.
This is a good distinction which must be realized.

Zionism is ultimately the problem. It is an incredibly irrational movement which by its very nature is destined to create centuries or even millenia of strife. Unfortunately, as irrational as the ultimate goal is, they are pursuing it through brutal and effective rational means: enlisting the help of the US government via political, monetary and military help, the production of nuclear weapons, the systematic methods of building settlements in the palestinian territories.
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Old 12-10-2009, 04:26 PM   #30
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Greetings and Felicitations,

Ironically, this came after your line of justification for one allowing terrorists to use his house as a base of operations.
yeah, right? *shrug*
I guess you both missed when I said this

In actuality all you are doing is continuing the long line of justifications promoted by both sides of the conflict. Sincerely Yours,
C. David Neely
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Old 12-10-2009, 04:39 PM   #31
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I guess you both missed when I said this
No, I saw it; I just didn't expect that you were intending to foreshadow your own acting out of that phenomenon.
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Old 12-10-2009, 04:39 PM   #32
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This is a good distinction which must be realized.

Zionism is ultimately the problem. It is an incredibly irrational movement which by its very nature is destined to create centuries or even millenia of strife. Unfortunately, as irrational as the ultimate goal is, they are pursuing it through brutal and effective rational means: enlisting the help of the US government via political, monetary and military help, the production of nuclear weapons, the systematic methods of building settlements in the palestinian territories.
It is important to stress that there is a difference between Spiritual Zionism (a connection to the land, but no political state) and Political Zionism (a Jewish State).

The former is compatible with the vision of a bi-national state for all. The latter is what we see in existence today.
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Old 12-10-2009, 04:42 PM   #33
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It's important to stress that when you're being subjected to hundreds of rocket attacks and purposeful targeting and murder of civilians that enables to other side to get away with a lot more than what they normally would.
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Old 12-10-2009, 05:08 PM   #34
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Running over anyone’s home with a bulldozer is just what it is, a horrid answer; they have exhausted their mental capacity to think and work out a deal that would make this unnecessary and on the other shoe, hamas et al has given them little to work with.

Violence is always the last resort of an exhausted mind. The problem is, they are both exhausted.
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Old 12-10-2009, 07:04 PM   #35
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It's important to stress that when you're being subjected to hundreds of rocket attacks and purposeful targeting and murder of civilians that enables to other side to get away with a lot more than what they normally would.
I happen to live next door, which happened because my father punched your father in the face and took your house.

In spite of this injustice, I build a house in your back yard and my adult kids start living there.

When you throw rocks through my windows or my children's windows, I guess I'm justified in shooting you and bulldozing your house. Then I'll claim to the community that I was just defending my safety and property.

Political Zionism 101.


Oh, and I'll justify my overreaction and brutal behavior because my great grandfather was tortured and killed by someone who has no relation to you.
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Old 12-10-2009, 08:57 PM   #36
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I happen to live next door, which happened because my father punched your father in the face and took your house.

In spite of this injustice, I build a house in your back yard and my adult kids start living there.

When you throw rocks through my windows or my children's windows, I guess I'm justified in shooting you and bulldozing your house. Then I'll claim to the community that I was just defending my safety and property.

Political Zionism 101.


Oh, and I'll justify my overreaction and brutal behavior because my great grandfather was tortured and killed by someone who has no relation to you.
You happen to live next door, which happened because we were both squatting in a house and my family went through some rough times so I brought them in to live in my part of the house. Then you got all mad and got your family and your cousins and your cousins' friends together and tried to kill me and my entire family into extinction. My family won and pushed you out into the shed and took some of your cousins' land as well.

Still angry you and your family started throwing bombs at my house and killed my children and cut their heads off. I took exception to this and killed 3 of your kids for everyone of mine that you had killed.

You then got all your family and cousins and cousins' friends together, again, and tried to kill my entire family. I won again.

You got sick of loosing in a real fight so you quit doing that and settled for setting traps to kill my children and throwing bombs into my house. I get sick of that and decide to plow your shed into the ground.

Congrats to Arab genocidal mindset and not being able to fight very well 101.


There, I fixed your utterly dishonest example for you.
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Old 12-10-2009, 10:20 PM   #37
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Erm, can I stop you right there. No, you can't. You're just delusional here ...

As a Muslim, I have heard these excuses over and over and over, frankly its tiring. Also, you should not take pride in ignorance, because what you are saying above is a pure misconception. Since you are a Muslim, then you already know what you typed following this are bald faced lies.

Islamic Law, has never said that Jews or Christians are second or third class. Infact Islam considers them The People of the Book. Muslims are allowed to marry from People of the Book, we are allowed to do business with them, marry into them, etc because they believe in the same God. Has nothing to do with the fact that Arab Muslims abuse minorities in Arab Islamic states and always have. They're dhimmi, period. They were in the past, and they always will be.

My father's business partner was a Jewish lawyer in the UK. They got on very well. Who cares; he's in the UK, not an Islamic state; he has little choice but go by English law, as much as it bothers Muslims living there. But don't worry, when you make your pile, you can move back to some wonderful Shariah state and won't have to suffer such indignities as having to fake 'tolerance'.

Lets make something very clear here. Zionism is what Islam is against. Infact truthful Jews and Pure Judaism is against Zionism. The whole world should be against Zionism. Yes, you've made it very clear in every thread on these topics you're a bigot and have no problems at all with Jews and Israelis being murdered by Arabs. Try to vary your nonsense occasionally.

Now, dont go covering up crimes against humanity in Palestine I don't intend to ever cover up the murders and terrorism committted by your fellow genocidal Muslim Arabs, and you're implying that I do is also a lie.

by bringing up rubbish like whats in your post. Either you are ignorant willingly or you just didnt know. If you didnt know, now you do, I say nothing but the truth when it comes to Islam. Its very important you get your facts right. Take your own advice and actually come up with facts instead of the rubbish you expect educated people to swallow.

Sadly, both sides commit crimes against humanity. Some do it for secular reasons, some in the name of religion.

All should be condemned. The 'moral equivalence' fallacy yet again; one time some random Israeli citizen said Bad Things About faux 'Palestinians'= Israel invalidated as a State, therefore terrorists ='freedom fighters' = 10's of thousands of Arab and Muslim atrocities committed against Jews all over the planet. It's all the same ...

And when the terrorist who up at your house and say.

Let us use your house as a base. If you do not we will kill you, your father and mother, grandmother and grandfather, sisters and brothers, and so on.

What do you do?

In actuality all you are doing is continuing the long line of justifications promoted by both sides of the conflict. A never ending series of excuses. They don[t need to force people to use their houses as a base; over 90% of Arab Muslims support terrorism. In actuality, you just don't believe Israel has a right to defend itself, and have a never ending series of non sequitors you're trying to pass off as a 'neutral' position, and don't really understand the difference between defense and terrorism. 'Palestinians' are the aggressors here, not Israel. In Gaza, they voted for war, they elected Hamas, a group whose charter calls for Israel's extinction, and they launch continual attacks against unarmed Israeli citizens, not military targets. Over 80% voted for them, so there no moral ground for them to hide on at all.

This isn't entirely true. Yes, the Koran calls them People of the Book and all but they are still treated differently than what a Muslim would be treated. Let's consider, for a moment, the extra tax that they can be legally charged, if they are living in Muslim controlled land. That's just one example of a few. How many Islamic states can anybody name that have equal rights for non-Muslims? Even in Malaysia the Chinese are subjected to restrictions and high taxes. He's full of shit, and he knows it.

We have no responsibility because we are only reacting to what they are doing. Yes, in Israel's case that's exactly right. Glad you finally got it.

right of conquest. Actually they just finally ended the illegal Arab military occupations of Gaza and the West Bank, something the UN failed to do. Jordan gave up its illegal claims to the West Bank in the 1980's. The faux 'Palestinians' have their own governments and courts and aren't being oppressed by anybody but themselves and their fellow Arab countries surrounding them.

This is a good distinction which must be realized.

Zionism is ultimately the problem. It is an incredibly irrational movement which by its very nature is destined to create centuries or even millenia of strife. Unfortunately, as irrational as the ultimate goal is, they are pursuing it through brutal and effective rational means: enlisting the help of the US government via political, monetary and military help, the production of nuclear weapons, the systematic methods of building settlements in the palestinian territories. You know squat about Zionism, and even less about Israel. Israel is a secular state with the most diverse religious, cultural, and racial population in the ME. Israeli Arabs sit in the Knesset, and the government has a 75% approval rating among Israeli Arabs.

You also suffer from the delusion that the West Bank and Gaza have somehow been declared 'Jew Free Zones' by somebody, completely ignorant of the fact that Jews lived in every district in what is now the West Bank, Gaza, and Israel, all but two, long before the '47 war. Guess who ethnically cleansed the West Bank and Gaza? If you can't figure it out just stick with hitting the bong and stay away from spamming history discussions altogether. Then there is the fact 80% of the Mandate was lopped off and made into an Arab state, no Jews allowed to own property there.

If the 'two state solution' was such a great idea, why didn't work then? Why do these faux 'Palestinians' keep rejecting the two-state solution?

And drop the first three letters off your handle while you're at it.

It is important to stress that there is a difference between Spiritual Zionism (a connection to the land, but no political state) and Political Zionism (a Jewish State).

The former is compatible with the vision of a bi-national state for all. The latter is what we see in existence today. So now you're claiming a secular state is evil? LOL you're just hilarious.

I'm still waiting for that evidence Dershowitz was a plagiarizer, or are you going to admit you were lying when you claimed he was? Real evidence, not the 10-12 pages of your playing 'I Touched You Last!!!” that is the sum total of what you and your enablers came up with when you made the claim.

It's important to stress that when you're being subjected to hundreds of rocket attacks and purposeful targeting and murder of civilians that enables to other side to get away with a lot more than what they normally would. Even when its Jews ???? Imagine that ... that goes completely against all the faux 'Peace Left' stands for, you know ...

I happen to live next door, which happened because my father punched your father in the face and took your house.

In spite of this injustice, I build a house in your back yard and my adult kids start living there.

When you throw rocks through my windows or my children's windows, I guess I'm justified in shooting you and bulldozing your house. Then I'll claim to the community that I was just defending my safety and property.

Political Zionism 101. Great fabrication. Too bad it bears no relation whatsoever to the facts. Jews didn't displace Arabs; they settled on land they bought and paid for from the owners, many of whom were Arabs. They built Tel Aviv to avoid displacing Arabs in Jaffa. Most of the Arabs displaced displaced themselves in 1947-48, and created their own problems ever since. If they weren't so bigoted and violent they would have had peace all along, but no, they're arrogant and stupid and preferred thuggery, calls for genocide, and Jihad.

That's Islam 101.
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Old 12-11-2009, 12:40 AM   #38
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At the end of World War II the Germany Nazi regime was seen as the clear villain and the Jewish people as the clear victims opening the door to the creation of the modern Jewish State of Israel. No one of any real significance called for the destruction of Germany and its people but the call for major reform and restriction on the future ways of the Germany society and the prosecution of those Nazis who committed War Crimes. In an attempt to make things right among the Jewish survivors of the Holocaust the State of Israel was created under United Nations Resolution 191. Creating a homeland for millions of European and former Soviet Union Jewish people.

Today in State of Israel proper the traffic sign are printed with three languages Hebrew, English, and Russian. Clearly it was the Palestinian people who paid the price for the German Nazis War Crimes with their blood. The Jewish Zionist will tell you that there was never a country called Palestine and there were no Palestinian people. They were Arabs and they have all of this other land. That God Promised the Jews this land. For over one-hundred years the Jewish Zionist have gotten away with murder, rape, fraud, lies, and wars while claiming to be the victim of anti-Semitism. Today it is many of the European and former Soviet Union Jewish Holocaust survivors descendants that are inflicting the many of same condition on the Palestinian people today. With the major exception of the Nazi’s death camps the Israel government has systematically persecuted and displaced millions of Palestinian people.

If the Israel Zionists owned up to the truth in how the State of Israel became the state it today. They would have many of the same moral conflicts Americans would have in the founding and early development of the United States. The Nazi’s Holocaust went on for approximately thirteen years. The Zionist’s Slowocaust has gone on for over sixty years with no end insight.

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Old 12-11-2009, 01:05 AM   #39
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For over one-hundred years the Jewish Zionist have gotten away with murder, rape, fraud, lies, and wars while claiming to be the victim of anti-Semitism.
Not to be nit-picky but you do realize that the wars that Israel participated in were for their very survival, right? The instigators were the Arabs and their goal was to kill any and every Jew in Israel. So, you see, their is plenty of blame to go around and, I believe, the onus is on the Arabs.
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Old 12-11-2009, 06:53 AM   #40
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it's easy to say things like that, if sri lanka is at war with the tamils-"the tamil goal is to kill every srilankan'

in the 1948 war, had the arabs succeeded in occupying the british mandate and defeating the zionists, then the outcome would have almost certainly been just a united Palestine, or a broader Arab Nation with Jews being a minority like the christians, or the jews in Syria..kinda like when the Arabs conquered the crusaders-they didn't exterminate the christian population , they simply conquered it .. comments like this are demagogy and predjudice like everything 'picaro' writes .. this picaro individual is so hateful, how are arabs supposed to make peace with jewish settler types that think this way?

Not to be nit-picky but you do realize that the wars that Israel participated in were for their very survival, right? The instigators were the Arabs and their goal was to kill any and every Jew in Israel. So, you see, their is plenty of blame to go around and, I believe, the onus is on the Arabs.
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