[Sydaycymn]

In your opinion their is...

Anyways, your both worshipping the same God any way your looking at it, just a Christians believe that their God is the same as the Jewish G-d but they've realised he's sent the Messigh. Now Islam simply believe thats they've recognised a further (and final) way for God to be worshipped. Its all a matter of opinion.

Thats an off repeated fallicy but untrue, indeed Islam was actually spread far more peacibly than Christianity at first. The Islamic theocracies of the past allowed non-believers to live under in their states without major penilties (thus the survival of major monestrys, Particianships for centuaries under the caphite) while the Christian fundimentalist states wiped out those who didn't agree with them-hell they even wiped out those who didn't agree with their specific brand of Christianity.

Lets compare the Islamic conquest of Byzantine Egypt with, for example, the Tutonic conquest of Lituania. The Alexandrian patrican was allowed to remain, the bascillica survived and Christians where left unhalmed in one instance while in the other thousands of Pagans where forced to convert or murdered by relgious franatics. Both where spreading their religion 'by the sword' but only one was forcing conversion.

Theres countless examples mate-the conquest of the Spain by the Moors. Barton estimates that after 70 years on from the Moorish conquest of Granada 67% of peasents remained Christian. On the other hand, after the reconquestia peasents who had converted where either killed, forced to convert or forced to leave the land their familly had farmed for generations.


OH, and your using Choudry as a 'UK islamic leader' please. Learn something about the man-this is someone who leads a group of about 30 people (islam 4 UK) and tried to march on Wotton Basset but could raise the people. Try the MCB for a decent Islamic leader in the UK, you know, someone who actually represents someone.

If you think your sophistry is going to fool me, think again. You obviously have focussed you studies on only parts of history that follow the way you wish things were, and ignored the parts that do not. I've seen this enough to realize that arguing it is a completely lost cause.

[TiepayWrary]

If you think your sophistry is going to fool me, think again. You obviously have focussed you studies on only parts of history that follow the way you wish things were, and ignored the parts that do not. I've seen this enough to realize that arguing it is a completely lost cause.

Ah, so you're going to ignore history and rational analysis thereof and only go with things that support what you already thought anyhow.

Color me unsurprised.

[Petrushkaukrop]

If you think your sophistry is going to fool me, think again. You obviously have focussed you studies on only parts of history that follow the way you wish things were, and ignored the parts that do not. I've seen this enough to realize that arguing it is a completely lost cause.

You can't deny the fact that there was a time when Christianity was spread by using the sword and torturing people.

[Les Allen]

You can't deny the fact that there was a time when Christianity was spread by using the sword and torturing people.

That was in the past. Doesn't count anymore.

[alecaf]

You can't deny the fact that there was a time when Christianity was spread by using the sword and torturing people.

Not based on Christ's words. Jesus was a man of peace. Muhammad, a man of war and terrorism.

[Spisivavona]

Jalihad means struggle, not 'mass murder' it dosn't even have to involve violence. Try reading the Hadiths mate...

Most jihad in Islamic doctrine refers to military struggle. The early Islamic scholars agreed on this. In Islam, it is a religious duty to commit violent jihad with the goal of overtaking the unbeliever. Thus, the House of Islam and the House of War.

The overhwleming majority of the Quran, Hadith and Sira is about violent jihad

[lapInsalm]

No one remembers the Spanish Inquisition!

[inownsuipsy]

Not based on Christ's words. Jesus was a man of peace. Muhammad, a man of war and terrorism.

Yeah, except for the part where he said he did not come to bring peace to this world, but a sword (paraphasing of course).

[idobestbuyonlinepp]

Yeah, except for the part where he said he did not come to bring peace to this world, but a sword (paraphasing of course).

Jesus said he who lives by the sword dies by the sword.
Muhammad used the sword, especially when beheading his opponents.

[texbrease]

If you think your sophistry is going to fool me, think again. You obviously have focussed you studies on only parts of history that follow the way you wish things were, and ignored the parts that do not. I've seen this enough to realize that arguing it is a completely lost cause.

Right, my course on Spanish history only focused on elements where the Christians did bad things. The fact is that both did bad things-both committed genocide, both killed thousands of people and both committed suicide missions (Know the story of the Staniargo? Christian who rode to certain death for his religion and to oppose Islam) but to simply claim that Islam was A) Spread by the sword and B) is a religion which is soley violent and to also claim that Christianity is 'peaceful' is just false. Both relgions have been violent in the past and will be in the future. Its not intrinsic to the religion but intrinsic to the nuts that relgions gets following it.

[MADwanker]

Jesus said he who lives by the sword dies by the sword.
Muhammad used the sword, especially when beheading his opponents.

I'm not denying that Mohammed was a man of war, but so was Soloman, David, many saints and so forth. They lived in violent times and forght-but so did many Christians. Indeed when Christianity was at its zenith was one of the most violent times in Europes history.

However your claim that most of the Koran is about war is false-I've actually been reading it recently (Islam Awareness week at uni and they gave me a copy) and its suprisingly bagin.

[sandyphoebetvmaa]

Jesus said he who lives by the sword dies by the sword.
Muhammad used the sword, especially when beheading his opponents.

You're going to need that sword when Jesus turns your brother against you.

[sessoorale]

I'm not denying that Mohammed was a man of war, but so was Soloman, David, many saints and so forth. They lived in violent times and forght-but so did many Christians. Indeed when Christianity was at its zenith was one of the most violent times in Europes history.

However your claim that most of the Koran is about war is false-I've actually been reading it recently (Islam Awareness week at uni and they gave me a copy) and its suprisingly bagin.

Big differences. The Bible depicts violence and that violence was tribal in nature and for a fixed period of time.

The Quran exhorts violence against all non-Muslims/infidels for an eternal amount of time. In fact, it is a duty for Muslims to commit jihad.

It is not a duty of Christians to commit murder.

Christians never followed the words of Jesus to commit violence, while Muslims commit jihad as commanded by Allah and Muhammad.

[Breevereurl]

Right, my course on Spanish history only focused on elements where the Christians did bad things. The fact is that both did bad things-both committed genocide, both killed thousands of people and both committed suicide missions (Know the story of the Staniargo? Christian who rode to certain death for his religion and to oppose Islam) but to simply claim that Islam was A) Spread by the sword and B) is a religion which is soley violent and to also claim that Christianity is 'peaceful' is just false. Both relgions have been violent in the past and will be in the future. Its not intrinsic to the religion but intrinsic to the nuts that relgions gets following it.

Christians never committed violence in the name of Jesus.
Muslims commit violence in the name of Allah and Muhammad, because, Allah and Muhammad exhort all Muslims to murder non-Muslims.

[Cuccuccaltefe]

Christians never committed violence in the name of Jesus.

[12Jasoumemoobia]

Christians never committed violence in the name of Jesus.
Muslims commit violence in the name of Allah and Muhammad, because, Allah and Muhammad exhort all Muslims to murder non-Muslims.

May I point you, just to start off, the Crusades, reconquestia, Tutonic knights, Russian wars of expansion, break up of the Grand Dutchy, the thirty years war, witch burnings, the later campains of Alfred the Great, various wars in Africa, parts of the Bosnian war and so forth-all in the name of Christ. You may argue that they where all inspired by a misreading of the bible but none the less they where inspired by Christanity.

The Koran specifically tells Muslims that they are not to harm those who are people of the book.

[pKgGpUlF]

The Quran exhorts violence against all non-Muslims/infidels for an eternal amount of time. In fact, it is a duty for Muslims to commit jihad.

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Then why do so few commit jihad??? I mean compared to some Christian, their believes seem to be stronger, but still we don't see Millions upon Millions fighting ?? Why do we even see Muslims serving in Christian/secular armies or fighting alongside Christian armies against radicals?? How comes that those non jihadist are not killed/despised/dishonourned by the Millions upon Millions of true believers you are talking about???

Why is the Islamic faith so weak, so to speak, when jihad is the real game?

[LottiFurmann]

I'm not denying that Mohammed was a man of war, but so was Soloman, David, many saints and so forth. They lived in violent times and forght-but so did many Christians. Indeed when Christianity was at its zenith was one of the most violent times in Europes history.

However your claim that most of the Koran is about war is false-I've actually been reading it recently (Islam Awareness week at uni and they gave me a copy) and its suprisingly bagin.

I do hear that reading the Koran will bore you to death. So in that sense, it may be violent.

[elalmhicabalp]

Then why do so few commit jihad???

Few commit jihad because few are true Muslims. Jihad is the Sixth Pillar of Islam.

Bukhari 4:52:220...
Jihad is holy violence. Violence is the way Allah removes fitna, removes the dross from pure Islam and removes the infidel scum from the earth which is owned by Mohammed.

[Annevecenqp]

Few commit jihad because few are true Muslims. Jihad is the Sixth Pillar of Islam.

Bukhari 4:52:220...

I thought there were only five pillars?

Let me check ...

Yep, simple Google search returns a Wikipedia entry:

Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, there you go making shit up again.