[craditc]

Even I am not convinced that Obama writes NATO's rules of engagement. That doesn't doesn't mean he can't publicly shame them from their shenanigans.

But that I know he won't do.

[IRMartin]

lol, pirate "mothership". Probabily a shrimp trawler with a make-shift electric motor. But I like how epic it sounds anyways.

[BrainTop]

If you have the right crew, you can sink the 'mother---ship' with all hands and who's gonna know it wasn't an electrical failure, RPG misfire, or rogue wave? The pirates don't have to know Why their comrades sometimes don't come back to dissuade them from going out themselves...

[Klissineopar]

Killing them would not have accomplished anything. Arresting them makes things difficult, too, because the question arises of where you will try them and imprison them. Any action sets a precedent that could make things difficult in the long term.

Unfortunately, long-term, big picture thinking seems to be a rarity these days.

[Pipindula]

Killing them would not have accomplished anything.

It wouldn't have eliminated one batch of pirates and sent a message to others that piracy might not be a healthy career choice?

Unfortunately, long-term, big picture thinking seems to be a rarity these days.

Indeed.

[actifadepette]

It wouldn't have eliminated one batch of pirates and sent a message to others that piracy might not be a healthy career choice?

Unlikely. There aren't a whole lot of options for these people. And, young men aren't known for their strong grip on the concept of their own mortality. Killing these men would have potentially triggered reprisals gainst future hostages. It would have been very unlikely to result in difficulty recruiting.

[gogFloark]

Unlikely. There aren't a whole lot of options for these people. And, young men aren't known for their strong grip on the concept of their own mortality. Killing these men would have potentially triggered reprisals gainst future hostages. It would have been very unlikely to result in difficulty recruiting.

see my answer to goober........

[Wmshyrga]

see my answer to goober........

Why? It wasn't particularly accurate or relevant.

Back in the heyday of piracy, the Caribbean, the Spanish Main, Captain Morgan, etc... all pirates pretty much knew they'd be hung if caught, and the fact that they were stopped pretty much nothing.

They hung them out of hand and the 'shit didn't blow over', as you stated.

History has proven your answer ineffective.

[Xqjfxmfk]

Killing them would not have accomplished anything. Arresting them makes things difficult, too, because the question arises of where you will try them and imprison them.

why not just bring them aboard for questioning, see what you can get out of them, then let them go if you want to?

[jagxj12]

Piracy won't end because the supply of potential pirates has dried up, it will end because the return on investment drops to the point where no one will put up the money for a mother ship.

You think a bunch of guys who are going to storm a giant cargo vessel in order to hold its crew and cargo for ransom in fairly heavily patrolled waters is going to buy a mother ship? No, they first seize a mother ship, which is usually just a fishing boat, and turn it into a mother ship. The only way to stop it is to ruin the country’s fishing industry. That’s what makes this such a thorny problem.

[BiseCreesia]

Congrats to the Danes!

[wallyfindme]

Why? It wasn't particularly accurate or relevant.

Back in the heyday of piracy, the Caribbean, the Spanish Main, Captain Morgan, etc... all pirates pretty much knew they'd be hung if caught, and the fact that they were stopped pretty much nothing.

They hung them out of hand and the 'shit didn't blow over', as you stated.

History has proven your answer ineffective.

then I suggest a re-reading of history ..where active anti Piracy took place piracy disappeared.....thats why they wondered the '7 seas', the piracy in the Med completely disappeared when Jefferson sent Decatur to handle it and those brave euros. only I think Sweden of all folks stepped up to help, the french et al paid them to leave them alone.


I guess that all cool with your idea of not upsetting the apple cart, apparently, because ...carrying Goobers idea to its only conclusion we might as well build them a club med or sandals resort and just avoid them even having to have a boat, we'll pay them a stipend on top of it, to sit on their beach as we sail by, forgoing any 'inconvenience' at all, makes sense right?

I mean a gun could go off one day actually hurt someone, we don't want an escalation in violence because well, they will take it out on their hostages, sooooo we'll pay them then, hows that? The whole conflict goes away right?

[12ZHeWZa]

Imp raises a good point. Piracy flourished (ie the Caribbean, the Spanish Main, Captain Morgan, as Tann pointed out) because it often had the backing of various governments. Remove that backing, and add in active and forceful anti-piracy campaigns, and we saw piracy crumble.

[GypeFeeshyTes]

then I suggest a reading of hisotgry ..where active anti Piracy took place piratacy disappeared.....thats why they wondered the '7 seas', the piracy in the Med completely dissappeared when Jeffrey sent Decatur to handle it and those brave euros. only I think Sweden of all folks stepped up to help, the frnech et al paid them to leave them alone.

Look, I'm sorry, but until you actually put that into English, I can't take what you say seriously. That, and your take on history is specious, since piracy still takes place now, and I can't understand what you're saying.
I guess that all cool with your idera of not upsetting the apple cart, apparently, because ...carrying your idea to its only conclusion we might as well build them a club med or sandals resort and just avoid them even having to have a boat, we'll pay them a stipend on top of it, to sit on their beach as we sail by, forgoing any 'inconvenience' at all, makes sense right? More bullshit. Go ahead and show where, in terms of piracy, I've ever had an 'idea' of not upsetting an apple cart.

Carrying out what I've actually posted, as opposed to your fantasies about the same, don't you ever get tired of looking the fool?
I mean a gun could go off one day actually hurt someone, we don't want an escalation in violence because well, they will take it out on their hostages, sooooo we'll pay them then, hows that? The whole conflict goes away right? I can come to no other conclusion than that you're intoxicated.

I hope you're not, but that's how you're posting

[ProomoSam]

The only way to stop it is to ruin the country’s fishing industry. That’s what makes this such a thorny problem.

Huh ?

The coastal Somalis engage in piracy precisely because their local self-sufficient fishing industry has been ruined by heavily subsidized agro-industrial corporations with the help of local corrupt functionaries. Destroying what's left of it would leave the coastal Somalis even less options.

[Angeheade]

Look, I'm sorry, but until you actually put that into English, I can't take what you say seriously. That, and your take on history is specious, since piracy still takes place now, and I can't understand what you're saying.

More bullshit. Go ahead and show where, in terms of piracy, I've ever had an 'idea' of not upsetting an apple cart.

Carrying out what I've actually posted, as opposed to your fantasies about the same, don't you ever get tired of looking the fool?

I can come to no other conclusion than that you're intoxicated.

I hope you're not, but that's how you're posting

this is post #28- yours


Quote:
Originally Posted by Imperator View Post
see my answer to goober........

Tann;

Why? It wasn't particularly accurate or relevant.

Back in the heyday of piracy, the Caribbean, the Spanish Main, Captain Morgan, etc... all pirates pretty much knew they'd be hung if caught, and the fact that they were stopped pretty much nothing.

They hung them out of hand and the 'shit didn't blow over', as you stated.

History has proven your answer ineffective.


__________________________________________________ ____________


you apparently read my response to goober, you answered it ( above).
(Do you need to read again the post you remarked on?)
I answered back.
If you cannot remember 20 minutes later what you read in connection to answers I made on those very points,well, what can I say?

Getting nasty with me won't help. Your pathological nastiness/hostility is not appreciated and doesn't add anything. I implore you to reconsider in future. ...

[ResuNezily]

this is post #28- yours


Quote:
Originally Posted by Imperator View Post
see my answer to goober........

Tann;

Why? It wasn't particularly accurate or relevant.

Back in the heyday of piracy, the Caribbean, the Spanish Main, Captain Morgan, etc... all pirates pretty much knew they'd be hung if caught, and the fact that they were stopped pretty much nothing.

They hung them out of hand and the 'shit didn't blow over', as you stated.

History has proven your answer ineffective.


__________________________________________________ ____________


you apparently read my response to goober, you answered it ( above).
(Do you need to read again the post you remarked on?)
I answered back.
If you cannot remember 20 minutes later what you read in connection to answers I made on those very points,well, what can I say?

Getting nasty with me won't help. Your pathological nastiness/hostility is not appreciated and doesn't add anything. I implore you to reconsider in future. ...

What? You're making no sense here.

What are you doing? What are you talking about?

There's no 'nastiness' here, just trying to figure out your post.

[wMceqj7F]

What? You're making no sense here.

What are you doing? What are you talking about?

There's no 'nastiness' here, just trying to figure out your post.

[truportodfa]

Imp raises a good point. Piracy flourished (ie the Caribbean, the Spanish Main, Captain Morgan, as Tann pointed out) because it often had the backing of various governments. Remove that backing, and add in active and forceful anti-piracy campaigns, and we saw piracy crumble.

there also wasn't the MASSIVE discrepancy in tech between the pirates and the rest. We've got satallite imaging and US destroyers and cruisers. We've got navy seals. They are 3rd world highwaymen of the sea that are pretty lucky if they can have a functioning .50 cal on their piece of shit boat.



But back in the day, the pirates had smaller, much faster ships, there was no radio or gps, or air support, or snipers rifles or missles etc. just dinky little cannons and muskets. (which will kill you dead enough but aren't nearly as effective as cutting edge tech. which we have and the somali pirates most certainly don't)
If they'd just send a few subs over there and have them perform a few months worth of hunter killer ops on the pirates, i think it would go a long way to taking some of the fight out of them.

[Misespimb]

That's well and good until we start slaughtering fishing vessels by mistake.

They're not flying skulls and crossbones.