[Qxkmsxsx]

A day will come when these people will recognize, as has most of the world, that suicide blasts killing civilians en masse are a one-way ticket to death and destruction for all in the long run. Time...yes it will take time. But when that day comes those zealots who were so vehemently against the Iraq and Afghanistan wars will be viewed as shallow products of a never before seen materialist, consumer culture...morally bankrupt in their personal lives and demanding "peace" for those they would never even speak to if they passed them on an American street.

Odd, that behavior is precisely what the invasion of iraq was meant to preserve and spread. You can't do it without oil after all.

Andrew

[Nemerov]

Odd, that behavior is precisely what the invasion of iraq was meant to preserve and spread. You can't do it without oil after all.

Andrew

Is that why we only recieve about 12,000 barrels of oil from Iraq every month?

Compare that to over 20,000 from unlinkely Nigeria every month. Why haven't we invaded them yet? Certainly the resistance would be easier.

Better yet let's invade Canada, from whom we receive roughly 65,000 barrels of oil from every month. Or Mexico, from whom we receive almost 40,000 barrels from every 30 days.

Wake up and stop using the cliche war for oil line, it's almost a decade old man.

Here are the official statistics. Take almost any two third world nations and their totals equal Iraq. A drop in the bucket.

U.S. Total Crude Oil and Products Imports

[flienianO]

Is that why we only recieve about 12,000 barrels of oil from Iraq every month?

Compare that to over 20,000 from unlinkely Nigeria every month. Why haven't we invaded them yet? Certainly the resistance would be easier.

Better yet let's invade Canada, from whom we receive roughly 65,000 barrels of oil from every month. Or Mexico, from whom we receive almost 40,000 barrels from every 30 days.

Wake up and stop using the cliche war for oil line, it's almost a decade old man.

Here are the official statistics. Take almost any two third world nations and their totals equal Iraq. A drop in the bucket.

U.S. Total Crude Oil and Products Imports

That would preclude oil from being a consideration. And while I don't think it was the sole reason we invaded, or even a top reason, it likely played a small role.

However, the point should be that there really wasn't a good or compelling reason to invade. The cost was too high for far too little.

[CIAFreeAgent]

Gee, how nice to know that all the planes, helicipoters, tanks, jeeps, bullets, grenades and other miscellaneous equipment we've already lost/will lose/will abandon there when we're done is nothing but paper.

Makes me feel so much better about it all.

After that ignorant post, I highly doubt that you have the capacity to grasp that which I am about to say, but I will try anyway.

Just what do you think the U.S. govt used to purchase "all the planes, helicipoters, [sic] tanks, jeeps, bullets, grenades and other miscellaneous equipment"?

Who creates all of the item that was used to make said purchases?

What stops that creating entity from creating an ever increasing amount of the item that was used to make said purchases?

And finally, can that entity create oil?

[Nfvzjvcl]

That would preclude oil from being a consideration. And while I don't think it was the sole reason we invaded, or even a top reason, it likely played a small role.

Link please, Joe. Demonstrate that oil played any reason at all. Should be easy for you.

[Kilaoksrsa]

Yes, we do still have 100,000 soldiers in Iraq. Anyone told the President?

[ffflyer]

Is that why we only recieve about 12,000 barrels of oil from Iraq every month?

Don't make the mistake of thinking the people who invaded are at all competent. What they wanted and what they got are two separate things.

Andrew

[mudozvonf]

After that ignorant post, I highly doubt that you have the capacity to grasp that which I am about to say, but I will try anyway.

Just what do you think the U.S. govt used to purchase "all the planes, helicipoters, [sic] tanks, jeeps, bullets, grenades and other miscellaneous equipment"?

Who creates all of the item that was used to make said purchases?

What stops that creating entity from creating an ever increasing amount of the item that was used to make said purchases?

And finally, can that entity create oil?

And you call my post ignorant... If you promise to pay attention, I'll try to type slow enough for you to keep up. Yes, I am quite aware that we're deficit spending for this "war" like we are just about everything else these days.

The thing is, whether you or I think the dollar is still worth anything or not, somebody apparently does, or we wouldn't still be able to trade them for the items we need to support the troops.

The items themselves have intrinsic value that we lose each and every time we have to leave a piece of equipment behind, for whatever reason. And like it or not, spending funny-money or not, if somebody didn't think that paper was worth something, we wouldn't be able to obtain those tanks, airplanes, et. al., at any price.

What stops the government from creating more and more money, at less and less value to buy stuff with? Not a damned thing, except of course, that at some point if the value drops too badly, others are going to stop taking that money in exchange for their goods or services.

Can the government make oil? Absolutely not. Never said it could. Then again, Iraq isn't making much of it for anyone right now either, despite our "best efforts" to prop up their oil fields. Iraq produces less than three percent of what the US consumes, and that's down from a high of about four and a half percent before 9/11. Iraq's entire crude oil production in a year wouldn't last us a month.

So how is being there, wasting even more oil and resources doing us any good? Hint: It's not. It's not doing us any good at all.

[Loonakind]

Don't make the mistake of thinking the people who invaded are at all competent. What they wanted and what they got are two separate things.

Andrew

Maybe they wanted to only get 12,000 barrels a month. Keep supplies controlled and prices high.

[Reocourgigiot]

Maybe they wanted to only get 12,000 barrels a month. Keep supplies controlled and prices high.

High oil prices are certainly good for their benefactors, but more so than that, they wanted to make sure China and Russia did not control all that oil, especially since the US was forced to take their forces and bases out of Saudi Arabia. They needed a new place to have a permanent presence in the last great easy-to-produce oil fields on the planet.

In a away they have sort of got what they wanted, although i don't think they expected to pay such a high price for it, in terms of cost, blood, and overall instability.

Andrew

[68AttendGem]

Sounds like a great strategic move in any case. Sandwich Iran between Iraq and Afghanistan, certainly they are feeling the intense pressure. Not to mention Russia isn't far away, they must be feeling it as well, and kicking themselves for losing far more in Afghanistan than we have in a comparable amount of time.

[VowJoyday]

Sounds like a great strategic move in any case. Sandwich Iran between Iraq and Afghanistan, certainly they are feeling the intense pressure. Not to mention Russia isn't far away, they must be feeling it as well, and kicking themselves for losing far more in Afghanistan than we have in a comparable amount of time.

Sure, if you don't have any problems with mass murder.

Andrew

[regfortruegoo]

A day will come when these people will recognize, as has most of the world, that suicide blasts killing civilians en masse are a one-way ticket to death and destruction for all in the long run. Time...yes it will take time. But when that day comes those zealots who were so vehemently against the Iraq and Afghanistan wars will be viewed as shallow products of a never before seen materialist, consumer culture...morally bankrupt in their personal lives and demanding "peace" for those they would never even speak to if they passed them on an American street.

Ah, I see, so now it is our MORAL obligation to bring FFREEEDDOOMMM to the poor benighted Iraqis.

Whether they wanted it or not, we will bring them the privilege of dying for their country and the greater good. War is now not only fun but a positive, even laudable good. Join us in our Crusade for Righteousness.

And God save us from your type.

[Vedun*]

Link please, Joe. Demonstrate that oil played any reason at all. Should be easy for you.

I said it wouldn't preclude it. Not that it was the the sole reason. I doubt very seriously you can put oil men in a situation like this and the subject never cross their minds. However, I said there had to be other reasons and that oil likely played a small role.

[LoohornePharp]

Link please, Joe. Demonstrate that oil played any reason at all. Should be easy for you.

Oil is the only reason at all that Iraq is important to people with big economies and big guns. No oil and they hold no interest to any major power on the planet.

Andrew

[AttableBewNaw]

I said it wouldn't preclude it. Not that it was the the sole reason. I doubt very seriously you can put oil men in a situation like this and the subject never cross their minds. However, I said there had to be other reasons and that oil likely played a small role.

A baseless assertion in other words. You don't know that oil played any role at all. However its nice to see you backing away from your long held assertion that the war was about oil and only about oil.

[HawksBurnDown]

A baseless assertion in other words. You don't know that oil played any role at all. However its nice to see you backing away from your long held assertion that the war was about oil and only about oil.

Not backing away. I stand by what I claimed. I doubt it played a major role and never said anything different. In fact, I was disputing the contention that it did. However, I wouldn't say that it played no role. It's illogical to think that oil men would not consider it.

And I never had a long held assertion of the kind. I have never believed Iraq was about oil. You must be confused.

[insoneeri]

And I never had a long held assertion of the kind. I have never believed Iraq was about oil. You must be confused.

I knew you'd dissemble. You forget I've known you for years and years even if most the others here haven't. Your gives you away.

[fashikn]

I knew you'd dissemble. You forget I've known you for years and years even if most the others here haven't. Your gives you away.

I don't recall you, but you stated something factually incorrect. If you know me, then you know I used Muley's article from the conservative think tank to suggest another reason why Bush lied, we wanted a country in the ME to have a base. I never said oil was the sole or even main reason.

[HRCPda7R]

Bwahahahahahahahahahaha...biggest lie you've told in years...:lol

I don't. Did you go by another name?

However, it doesn't address any point of consequence.