[BriKevin]

However...

Meh. It's an opinion. One that I don't agree with.

[pharweqto]

However...

First, please cite the source of the quote.

Second, the quote is basically saying that the theory is correct because the exact conclusion was the opposite of what the theory proposed?

Essentially the theory went: If we lose in Vietnam, every country in Southeast Asia will fall to Soviet influenced communism.

However, we did lose, Vietnam went "communist" (note quotation marks), and every country in Southeast Asia didn't go communist, thus proving the theory by proving it's opposite?

Wait, what?

[Snitiendumurn]

If I may ask out of curiosity-what is your mental illness? You are able to write and read obviously?

Wars like Afghanistan and Iraq seem to overheat the US economy early on, from 2003-2006 the economy has high growth and good employment but rising debt, 2007 signs of recession up ahead, in 2008 it hits crises and now there is prolonged unemployment with the US economy unable to get back on footing.. similar thing happened in the 1970's as result of vietnam.. No one in the US seems to appreciate this and instead the noise is that the problem with the US economy fails because of 'wall street greed' or some non-sence like that..

Now you have to ask yourself what happens when the debt is so big that bigger and bigger cuts in the military industrial complex(they are already cutting teachers and cops-love the way that comes first) then creates even more people unemployed, government debt gets worse..the notion that these 2 stupid countries Afghan and Iraq are worth all this so their women are saved is such a joke.. ultra nationalism is about 'winning' problem is the nationalists in those occupied countries also want to win, and they can only win if the US and nato is driven out.. and unlike the USA, the rebels have nothing to lose.

Had those left-wing pussies are whatever you call them not rioted until the US govt was forced to end that corrupt war you can only imagine where the US economy would have gone, everything would have been fighting in vietnam until the 1980's, and by 1980 the US would still be about where they were in 1973 fight a guerrilla war that can't be won, what you said about marching on N.Vietnam was bogus-it couldn't be considered-Chinese invasion, 600,000 US troops just to hold on to S.Vietnam..forget it , no US policymaker ever considered such madness..

My view is that America would have collapsed fighting that war forever, there would have never been an information technology boom in the US-it would have happened somewhere else,the US would have been vietnam,vietnam,vietnam-and everyone would have hate it.

You don't appreciate what those protesters did for their country by pressuring the US govt to end the war.. Where are these patriots now? Why no 500,000 protesters in WDC and NY and at the democratic national convention--its called Apathy and thats what bringing America down.

If I had a choice in the matter, I would be. I tried to join the Marine Corps and the Army when I graduated high school in 1999 and again in 2001. Unfortunately, I am not fit for military service; I am mentally ill and I am not allowed to enlist while I am taking the medications I need to function.

[Fhgzmftq]

If I may ask out of curiosity-what is your mental illness? You are able to write and read obviously?

Bipolar and post-traumatic stress disorders with intermittent explosive disorder. Mood swings, anxiety attacks, paranoid delusions, hallucinations. I have a laundry list of symptoms that basically boil down to as long as I stay at home and heavily medicated I can stay out of the hospital.

Wars like Afghanistan and Iraq seem to overheat the US economy early on, from 2003-2006 the economy has high growth and good employment but rising debt, 2007 signs of recession up ahead, in 2008 it hits crises and now there is prolonged unemployment with the US economy unable to get back on footing..

Wasn't the war, either of the wars, that caused the housing bubble or the bank crisis. The wars have played hell with the deficit and caused us to rack up an even more unsustainable debt, but that didn't wreck the economy. Irresponsible lending practices spurred on by irresponsible government policies did that.

the notion that these 2 stupid countries Afghan and Iraq are worth all this so their women are saved is such a joke..

Honestly, I don't care about saving Afghan women. They're just a good example of why we can't turn the government back over to the Afghans yet. If we bail, Afghanistan goes back to the terrorist haven and recruiting ground it was before we invaded, except with even more of a gripe against the American government and even more faith in their ability to crack our resolve.

ultra nationalism is about 'winning' problem is the nationalists in those occupied countries also want to win, and they can only win if the US and nato is driven out.. and unlike the USA, the rebels have nothing to lose.

Our nation's got more men, more gear, and more money than theirs. Only reason we wouldn't be able to win is that our lack of commitment doesn't inspire confidence in Afghans who might be persuaded to cooperate with our government.

Had those left-wing pussies are whatever you call them not rioted until the US govt was forced to end that corrupt war you can only imagine where the US economy would have gone...

Corrupt war? The only thing corrupt about it was our unwillingness to let the military fight.

You don't appreciate what those protesters did for their country by pressuring the US govt to end the war.. Where are these patriots now?

I don't think you appreciate what those protestors were trying to do to our country then and what they're trying to do to this country now. These weren't people who loved America and were trying to save it from a tragic mistake; they were people who hated American government, American institutions, and anyone who stood for them.

As for where they are now? They're running our education system and advising our President. They're not out protesting in the streets because they won; they are the establishment now.

[ftqwhbvxlcfop]

Afghanistan = behadings, Taliban, burka, madrassas...

I found these photographs of Afghanistan 1950-1960 most enlightening...

Sevastopol.info • ???????? ???? - ?????????? 60-?. ????????.

Captions to photos:

1. campus of the university of Kabul
2. 3. classrooms
4. maternity unit in Kabul hospital
5. Afghan girl guides
6. cinema with Hollywood films in
7. playground
8. factory
9. hydroelectric station
10. textile factory
11. women factory workers (end of shift).
11. radio station
12. boutiques
13. music shop
14. fruit market
15. Kabul administration
16. army

[DownloadMan]

The reason we lost in Nam is the fact that the inhabitants were willing to die for the right to run their own country their own way.

[BigMovies]

The reason we lost in Nam is the fact that the inhabitants were willing to die for the right to run their own country their own way.

Correct !

[lierro]

The reason we lost in Nam is the fact that the inhabitants were willing to die for the right to run their own country their own way.

I don't think we lost the war in SE Asia. The strategic goal of the Vietnam war was to prevent an imminent communist takeover of Thailand and the Phillipines, who were SEATO members. In that regard, we succeeded.

Those dominoes didn't fall.

[STYWOMBORGOSY]

I don't think we lost the war in SE Asia. The strategic goal of the Vietnam war was to prevent an imminent communist takeover of Thailand and the Phillipines, who were SEATO members. In that regard, we succeeded.

Those dominoes didn't fall.

Hey let's look on the bright side - ultimately Vietnam became more or less what we had hoped. The irony is it didn't have anything to do with the billions we spent and the thousands of lives we wasted fighting a war.

[LongaDonga]

Seems to me it's happening, has happened and will continue to happen if we're there or not.

I'm sure your right, however if we're there does this type of crime against humanity decrease or increase. If it decreases, that is a good thing is it not.

[casinobonuswer]

I'm sure your right, however if we're there does this type of crime against humanity decrease or increase. If it decreases, that is a good thing is it not.

I see no evidence that it's decreasing while or because we're there.

[Metrujectiktus]

Ok Let's see:

Recently Senior British Commander has said Victory in Afghanistan Impossible

So famous imperial Anglo brotherhood can not defeat THIS MIGHTY ARMY OF TALIBAN.
Ha, ha something must be very wrong.

[Sopsneork]

I see no evidence that it's decreasing while or because we're there.

I agree. I can't say further involvement will render any positive results. It may very well be detrimental, and in the least, futile. It's a tricky situation.