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Ultimate Bush Insider Lifts Veil on Presidency - NYTimes.com

WASHINGTON — Karl Rove, the chief political adviser to President George W. Bush and architect of his two successful campaigns for the White House, says in a new memoir that Mr. Bush probably would not have invaded Iraq had he known there were no unconventional weapons there.

Its disturbing to see ol' Turd Blossom betraying his former boss like this. We all know just like Wonderbread helps build strong bodies in 12 ways, there were many, many other good reasons for the war besides WMD. Spreading democracy, stopping an evil dictator, securing a nationally vital strategic resource, heck, the reasons go on and on. Why would Rove lie like this?

[omaculer]

Ultimate Bush Insider Lifts Veil on Presidency - NYTimes.com

WASHINGTON — Karl Rove, the chief political adviser to President George W. Bush and architect of his two successful campaigns for the White House, says in a new memoir that Mr. Bush probably would not have invaded Iraq had he known there were no unconventional weapons there.

Its disturbing to see ol' Turd Blossom betraying his former boss like this. We all know just like Wonderbread helps build strong bodies in 12 ways, there were many, many other good reasons for the war besides WMD. Spreading democracy, stopping an evil dictator, securing a nationally vital strategic resource, heck, the reasons go on and on. Why would Rove lie like this?

You're right: that IS odd. Rove has never lied before. What possibly could have made him start now?

[Fetowip]

Rove for president, 2012! Limbaugh as his running mate.

[popsicesHoupe]

Ultimate Bush Insider Lifts Veil on Presidency - NYTimes.com

WASHINGTON — Karl Rove, the chief political adviser to President George W. Bush and architect of his two successful campaigns for the White House, says in a new memoir that Mr. Bush probably would not have invaded Iraq had he known there were no unconventional weapons there.

Its disturbing to see ol' Turd Blossom betraying his former boss like this. We all know just like Wonderbread helps build strong bodies in 12 ways, there were many, many other good reasons for the war besides WMD. Spreading democracy, stopping an evil dictator, securing a nationally vital strategic resource, heck, the reasons go on and on. Why would Rove lie like this?

I don't think he betrayed Bush at all. I think that was actually a very reasoned and helpful statement. Most of us already knew what was said but to have it out there, officially, is nice to see. Of course, none of the left would believe this statement. They will believe that Bush wanted to go into Iraq from the get-go.

I don't want to have to suit up and fight wars and have my brother soldiers and sailors dying to "spread democracy". Democracy is an idea that is so foreign to some cultures that they simply can't grasp the idea. There are endless lines of dictators out there too. We should only be going to war for national security purposes. If the people of other countries want democracy they should do what we had to do. Fight for it themselves. If a people won't do it for themselves no one else can do it for them.

[DJElizardo]

I don't think he betrayed Bush at all. I think that was actually a very reasoned and helpful statement. Most of us already knew what was said but to have it out there, officially, is nice to see. Of course, none of the left would believe this statement. They will believe that Bush wanted to go into Iraq from the get-go.

But, of course, none of the right are honest enough to admit that that's exactly what a member of Bush's own cabinet was saying, a mere 10 days after the Inauguration, and 8 months before 9/11. Paul O'Neill was very, very clear on that point, and he's about as conservative as they come.

Bush Sought ‘Way’ To Invade Iraq? - 60 Minutes - CBS News
CNN.com - O'Neill: Bush planned Iraq invasion before 9/11 - Jan. 14, 2004

Never let little things like facts get in the way.
I don't want to have to suit up and fight wars and have my brother soldiers and sailors dying to "spread democracy". Democracy is an idea that is so foreign to some cultures that they simply can't grasp the idea. There are endless lines of dictators out there too. We should only be going to war for national security purposes. If the people of other countries want democracy they should do what we had to do. Fight for it themselves. If a people won't do it for themselves no one else can do it for them. Good to see you were against the Iraq War from the get-go.

[regfortruegoo]

This reminds me of that scene in Pulp Fiction, after Vincent accidentally shot Marvin and there is a mess in the backseat.

Rove is basically saying, what's done is done, what are you gonna do about it? shut up and go away.

It's too bad he doesn't have to stay and clean up the mess.

[ClapekDodki]

Good to see you were against the Iraq War from the get-go.

I never said I was against it "from the get-go". I wouldn't expect you to understand the intel aspect of it. Contrary to what some people believe the president doesn't sit there and look at raw intel. It starts on a fairly low level and works up a long chain of people trained to interpret their findings. They are the ones that inform the president of information.

Basically what I'm saying is there are many hands involved in the process. There is more more sounds reasoning to be a Truther than to believe that Bush made up intel and lied about it.

-edit- Forgot to clarify one thing. I'm not a huge fan of nation building. There is a difference between kicking ass and taking names, when the times call for it, and staying there to try and force our style of governance on a foreign population.

[actrisski]

I never said I was against it "from the get-go". I wouldn't expect you to understand the intel aspect of it.

No worries, I do.
Contrary to what some people believe the president doesn't sit there and look at raw intel. It starts on a fairly low level and works up a long chain of people trained to interpret their findings. They are the ones that inform the president of information. No one is disputing that.
Basically what I'm saying is there are many hands involved in the process. There is more more sounds reasoning to be a Truther than to believe that Bush made up intel and lied about it.

-edit- Forgot to clarify one thing. I'm not a huge fan of nation building. There is a difference between kicking ass and taking names, when the times call for it, and staying there to try and force our style of governance on a foreign population. And no one is disputing that, either.

[paypaltoegold1]

No worries, I do.

No one is disputing that.

And no one is disputing that, either.

Sweet, so we can agree (I think) for once? It's always nice to find some common ground, occasionally.

[klnbgqr]

There are three things some people want to forget about Bush/Iraq:

Prior to 2001 most people thought that Saddam and Iraq had large stocks of WMDs… we have all seen the video cuts… AlGore, Hillary, etc, all pronouncing what a danger Saddam was with all those WMDs. So much was this the case that the Iraq war resolution passed 296 -133 in the House and 77-23 in the Senate. Hell Tom Daschle co-sponsored the resolution in the Senate.

George Tenet Mr. ‘Slam Dunk’

Says Woodward: “George Tenet's sitting on the couch, stands up, and says, ‘Don't worry, it's a slam dunk case.’" And the president challenges him again and Tenet says, ‘The case, it's a slam dunk.’ ...I asked the president about this and he said it was very important to have the CIA director – ‘Slam-dunk is as I interpreted is a sure thing, guaranteed. No possibility it won't go through the hoop.’ Others present, Cheney, very impressed.”

What did Woodward think of Tenet’s statement? “It’s a mistake,” he says. “Now the significance of that mistake - that was the key rationale for war.”

It was just two weeks later when the president decided to go to war.

Lastly… we know now that Saddam Husain actually lied about having WMDs.

Saddam Hussein told an FBI interviewer before he was hanged that he allowed the world to believe he had weapons of mass destruction because he was worried about appearing weak to Iran, according to declassified accounts of the interviews released yesterday.

[DoctorAlexandro]

Ultimate Bush Insider Lifts Veil on Presidency - NYTimes.com

WASHINGTON — Karl Rove, the chief political adviser to President George W. Bush and architect of his two successful campaigns for the White House, says in a new memoir that Mr. Bush probably would not have invaded Iraq had he known there were no unconventional weapons there.

Its disturbing to see ol' Turd Blossom betraying his former boss like this. We all know just like Wonderbread helps build strong bodies in 12 ways, there were many, many other good reasons for the war besides WMD. Spreading democracy, stopping an evil dictator, securing a nationally vital strategic resource, heck, the reasons go on and on. Why would Rove lie like this?

Its not betrayal or lies. No doubt GWB feels that way, as we all do. The primary motivation for invading IRAQ was the threat that they had or were aquiring nuclear weapons. Without it we could have stalled longer, even though there were many reasons. The invasion, even for nukes, was atypical for the US. We often let countries do whatever they want to us and never do anything, especially in the last 40 years.

[DeronBoltonRen]

This reminds me of that scene in Pulp Fiction, after Vincent accidentally shot Marvin and there is a mess in the backseat.

Rove is basically saying, what's done is done, what are you gonna do about it? shut up and go away.

It's too bad he doesn't have to stay and clean up the mess.

Rove wasnt President and didnt make the decisions. I have no doubt that GWB would have been willing to stay and finish things if able.

[Wymdqcvb]

Ultimate Bush Insider Lifts Veil on Presidency - NYTimes.com

WASHINGTON — Karl Rove, the chief political adviser to President George W. Bush and architect of his two successful campaigns for the White House, says in a new memoir that Mr. Bush probably would not have invaded Iraq had he known there were no unconventional weapons there.

Its disturbing to see ol' Turd Blossom betraying his former boss like this. We all know just like Wonderbread helps build strong bodies in 12 ways, there were many, many other good reasons for the war besides WMD. Spreading democracy, stopping an evil dictator, securing a nationally vital strategic resource, heck, the reasons go on and on. Why would Rove lie like this?

I think the lie is that Bush thought Iraq had WMDs, the rush to war was to avoid the situation where the UN weapons inspectors finished their report and said Iraq had no WMDs, that would have made it much harder for Bush to invade.
And in Bush's mind, Iraq would be a fountain of oil contracts and wealth he would be able to bestow on the GOP faithful, so everyone benefits and no real people get hurt.

[Bobobsdo]

Rove for president, 2012! Limbaugh as his running mate.

nah, not possible to beat Palin/Anyone, as a Dream team (for Dems), though, no please, don't even say Palin/Rove. Damn, there goes my underwear.

[doctorzlo]

Regarding Iraq, Rove isn't telling us anything we hadn't already heard.

Had he explained that GWB was motivated to attack Iraq due to unfinished business leftover from daddy's war and WMD's were just an uncertain, but useful tool toward a publicly palatable justification to depose Saddam...........THEN we'd have a story here...

[secondmertg]

And there are, on the left, people that have the BALLS to lecture me on logic...

[stutnerman]

Regarding Iraq, Rove isn't telling us anything we hadn't already heard.

Had he explained that GWB was motivated to attack Iraq due to unfinished business leftover from daddy's war and WMD's were just an uncertain, but useful tool toward a publicly palatable justification to depose Saddam...........THEN we'd have a story here...

Why do right-wingers need Rove to barf up more lies for them? Bush already confessed to the real reason we invaded Iraq...


"After all this is the guy who tried to kill my dad." Bush Confesses That Iraq War Was For Petty Personal Revenge

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Why do right-wingers need Rove to barf up more lies for them? Bush already confessed to the real reason we invaded Iraq...




Bush Confesses That Iraq War Was For Petty Personal Revenge

Yeah, that exactly what Bush meant.

[KeettyGlots]

I think the lie is that Bush thought Iraq had WMDs, the rush to war was to avoid the situation where the UN weapons inspectors finished their report and said Iraq had no WMDs, that would have made it much harder for Bush to invade.
And in Bush's mind, Iraq would be a fountain of oil contracts and wealth he would be able to bestow on the GOP faithful, so everyone benefits and no real people get hurt.

Garbage and more garbage. In Bush's mind Iraq under Saddam's leadership was a threat to the security of the region and a threat to American interests. He was right. Saddam openly supported terrorists, giving the families of suicide bombers in Israel $24,000. He had used wmds against the Kurds and the Iranians. He had oppressed his own people for decades. He attempted to assassinate a former president of the US.

Regarding the so-called fountain of oil contracts and wealth, they are going to the French, the Russians, and the Chinese.

If Saddam had been allowed to continue in power, the sanctions would have been lifted and he would have restarted his wmd programs. Rather than only dealing with the madmen of Iran trying to get nuclear weapons we would have two regimes in the Middle East trying to play who can be the bigger ass threatening the security of the region. Now, thanks to Bush, we only have one asshole that is a problem and we have an ally which is on the road to becoming the only Arab democracy in the Middle East. Sadly Obama is a weak pansy boy regarding Iran and with his utterly inept diplomatic skills we will see a nuclear Iran.

tashi deleks,

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