[ardsdelinq]

I have been working and paying taxes for 30 years, my demands on the system have not changed since I made 25k a year out of college and now, but my payment to support others has increased dramatically. According to the IRS I am in the top 10 percent, but I don't feel rich or entitled.

You are entitled ... entitled to pay for the others 1/2(s) x-box, two flat screens, cars, food, cell phones, Air Jordans, etc, etc ..

[JennaJJxoxoxo]

You are entitled ... entitled to pay for the others 1/2(s) x-box, two flat screens, cars, food, cell phones, Air Jordans, etc, etc ..

1) You're delusionial.

2) Trying to change the subject. AGAIN.

[Liskaspexia]

Lets take granny's medicine and healthcare -

The evil rich need to share and corporations all in one -


Here is the class warfare thing again against the rich and corporations -


Some fun words -


A little more class warfare -

So all who make $250k or more are millionaires or better? Lie!

Let's take more from granny and vets while we are at it-


More BS!

Read your own post and then tell us what you're packing in your pipe amigo.

You quoted statements of fact and gave lovely descriptors of 'evil' and 'take from granny' as some strange interpretation. If the government defaults what do *you* think will happen?

[extessarere]

You are entitled ... entitled to pay for the others 1/2(s) x-box, two flat screens, cars, food, cell phones, Air Jordans, etc, etc ..

1) You're delusionial.

2) Trying to change the subject. AGAIN.

Maybe you should centrally plan what can and cannot be said in each thread?

[smokeberly]

Maybe you should centrally plan what can and cannot be said in each thread?

You used that one a couple days ago. It's not having any different affect than it did the last time.

In the United States, we have the right to free speech, which means you can say whatever you want, no matter how delusional or how big a lie it is.

And I have the right to call you on it.

More narrowly, this is a privately-owned message board, and the owners have the right control what can and cannot be said. They've kindly given us all the right to speak freely, with one or two exceptions (spam, insulting others, etc).

I have no control over what it or is not said here; the moderates do. If you wish to accuse anyone of "centrally planning" what's said here, you should go after them.

If you don't like the fact that I have the right and the ability to prove you wrong when you post, I suggest you go back to FreeRepublic, or some other board which deletes all posts not within their narrow ideological range.

[Maydayvar]

You used that one a couple days ago. It's not having any different affect than it did the last time.

In the United States, we have the right to free speech, which means you can say whatever you want, no matter how delusional or how big a lie it is.

And I have the right to call you on it.

Did I question your right to call me out w/ your false propaganda? No

More narrowly, this is a privately-owned message board, and the owners have the right control what can and cannot be said. They've kindly given us all the right to speak freely, with one or two exceptions (spam, insulting others, etc).

I have no control over what it or is not said here; the moderates do. If you wish to accuse anyone of "centrally planning" what's said here, you should go after them. I didn't accuse you of anything just simply asked you a question. Who's the delusional one?

If you don't like the fact that I have the right and the ability to prove you wrong when you post, I suggest you go back to FreeRepublic, or some other board which deletes all posts not within their narrow ideological range. Where did I say that you don't have a right to lie when you try to prove I am wrong?

I'm sure there are rules on this board that can get you banned but I don't think your revisionist history is one of them.

[Muhabsssa]

I'm sure there are rules on this board that can get you banned but I don't think your revisionist history is one of them.

Given that you're still posting here, there's very clearly not a true against "revisionist history" or lying, for that matter.

When it comes to the tax code, what part of history am I revising? The part where the top income bracket is lower than it's been since the Great Depression? Lower than it was under Nixon? Lower even then it was under Reagan?

[CowextetleSix]

When it comes to the tax code, what part of history am I revising? The part where the top income bracket is lower than it's been since the Great Depression? Lower than it was under Nixon? Lower even then it was under Reagan?

No I wasn't really discussing all this tax bracket jibberish as it is all a distraction. Federal income tax is legalized theft and our tax code is nothing more than a complicated wealth redistribution scheme.

[gopsbousperie]

Really? The Bush tax cuts played a limited role in our current mess? I beg to differ.

Running in the red: How the U.S., on the road to surplus, detoured to massive debt - The Washington Post

The primary culprit is not the two wars that we are waging (although they certainly contribute) but rather the erosion of our tax base.

Polls show that a large majority of Americans blame wasteful or unnecessary federal programs for the nation’s budget problems. But routine increases in defense and domestic spending account for only about 15 percent of the financial deterioration, according to a new analysis of CBO data.

The biggest culprit, by far, has been an erosion of tax revenue triggered largely by two recessions and multiple rounds of tax cuts. Together, the economy and the tax bills enacted under former president George W. Bush, and to a lesser extent by President Obama, wiped out $6.3 trillion in anticipated revenue. That’s nearly half of the $12.7 trillion swing from projected surpluses to real debt. Federal tax collections now stand at their lowest level as a percentage of the economy in 60 years.

[illiniastibly]

Federal income tax is legalized theft.

You really don't understand how being a citizen of a country works, do you?

Also: reality isn't opinion-based.

Back on topic:

House Speaker John Boehner often attacks the spendthrift ways of Washington.

“In Washington, more spending and more debt is business as usual,” the Republican leader from Ohio said in a televised address yesterday amid debate over the U.S. debt. “I’ve got news for Washington - those days are over.”

Yet the speaker, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell all voted for major drivers of the nation’s debt during the past decade: Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts and Medicare prescription drug benefits. They also voted for the Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP, that rescued financial institutions and the auto industry.

Together, a Bloomberg News analysis shows, these initiatives added $3.4 trillion to the nation’s accumulated debt and to its current annual budget deficit of $1.5 trillion.

Republican Leaders Voted for Debt They Blame on Obama- Bloomberg

[ebonytipchik]

Back on topic:

House Speaker John Boehner often attacks the spendthrift ways of Washington.

“In Washington, more spending and more debt is business as usual,” the Republican leader from Ohio said in a televised address yesterday amid debate over the U.S. debt. “I’ve got news for Washington - those days are over.”

Yet the speaker, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell all voted for major drivers of the nation’s debt during the past decade: Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the 2001 and 2003 Bush tax cuts and Medicare prescription drug benefits. They also voted for the Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP, that rescued financial institutions and the auto industry.

Together, a Bloomberg News analysis shows, these initiatives added $3.4 trillion to the nation’s accumulated debt and to its current annual budget deficit of $1.5 trillion.

Republican Leaders Voted for Debt They Blame on Obama- Bloomberg

So you listed a bunch of frauds and socialists who are part of the problem. ... So what is ur point and why change topics?

What does this have to do w/ paying a fair share (do as I say not as I do)?

[flnastyax]

I think we'd be better off it they were sending each other pics of ponies.

Here are two more relevant images:

These are big improvements over the ponies. That said, neither speaks to the point of the thread, which is "pay your fair share". The gilded cage image of top marginal tax rates merely shows that the wealthiest pay a lower rate now than at most times during the past 75 years. Are you suggesting that "fair share" rates were somehow achieved in the past? If so, what are they? 35% is not enough? Was any amount ever too much?

The crooks and liars slide is really just an editorial on the Bush tax cuts, but these cuts applied to everyone who pays taxes, and some who do not. If you wipe them out, you're putting a lot of people back on the tax rolls. Ok by me, however I suspect that you want to wipe only some of them out... again, you're not really discussing what "fair share" is. In fact, you seem to imply that the concept of a fair share only applies to the rich. Is there a fair share that should apply to the bottom 50% of earners?

[texbrease]

Really? The Bush tax cuts played a limited role in our current mess? I beg to differ.

.....

The biggest culprit, by far, has been an erosion of tax revenue triggered largely by two recessions and multiple rounds of tax cuts. Together, the economy and the tax bills enacted under former president George W. Bush, and to a lesser extent by President Obama, wiped out $6.3 trillion in anticipated revenue. That’s nearly half of the $12.7 trillion swing from projected surpluses to real debt. Federal tax collections now stand at their lowest level as a percentage of the economy in 60 years.[/I]

How do you explain that under Bush the IRS collected about $5,000,000,000,000 more than it did under Clinton? I'm sick of the spending in Iraq and Afghanistan, and these wars have sucked a lot of $$$ from our coffers, but, the deficit has been driven by reckless spending (by Bush and Obama), not by declining tax revenues.

[Nicihntm]

These are big improvements over the ponies. That said, neither speaks to the point of the thread, which is "pay your fair share". The gilded cage image of top marginal tax rates merely shows that the wealthiest pay a lower rate now than at most times during the past 75 years. Are you suggesting that "fair share" rates were somehow achieved in the past? If so, what are they? 35% is not enough? Was any amount ever too much?

I'm suggesting that anyone who claims that the wealithiest are being unfairly taxed are lying. I'm also suggesting that those who claim that raising income taxes on the wealthy will have no effect on revenue are lying.

[/quote]The crooks and liars slide is really just an editorial on the Bush tax cuts, but these cuts applied to everyone who pays taxes, and some who do not. If you wipe them out, you're putting a lot of people back on the tax rolls. Ok by me, however I suspect that you want to wipe only some of them out... again, you're not really discussing what "fair share" is. In fact, you seem to imply that the concept of a fair share only applies to the rich. Is there a fair share that should apply to the bottom 50% of earners?[/QUOTE]

The point was that the biggest single increase in the deficit was the Bush tax cuts. Wiping them out (and Obama was wrong in extending them) would help reduce the deficit and increase revenue. As they were disproportinately targeted to people making over $250K, they will not be "putting people back on the tax rolls" but rather increasing taxes on the wealithiest.

You brought up the "bottom 50% of earners pay no Federal income tax" canard. As that group includes all of our population who live at or below the poverty line, are you suggesting that we need to tax the poor?

[movlabk]

How do you explain that under Bush the IRS collected about $5,000,000,000,000 more than it did under Clinton?

[citation needed]

I'm sick of the spending in Iraq and Afghanistan, and these wars have sucked a lot of $$$ from our coffers, but, the deficit has been driven by reckless spending (by Bush and Obama), not by declining tax revenues.

[megatrendsZ]

Read your own post and then tell us what you're packing in your pipe amigo.

You quoted statements of fact and gave lovely descriptors of 'evil' and 'take from granny' as some strange interpretation. If the government defaults what do *you* think will happen?

What? I "quoted statments of fact"?

You do realize when I mentioned the themes that Obama and the left have run on for decades were not exact quotes don't you?

Even he is or whoever helps him with his speaches is smart enough not to come out and call the rich and corporations evil in a blatant fashion. You can not deny that the points in the quotes I provided show exactly what I said they would, just with some better political wording. It's just the same old political game playing and lies that even the great Obama is caught up in.

Now where did that Morely guy go? I gave him that info he wanted but he hasn't acknowledged it yet. Strange.

Oh yeah, I'm not your amigo.

[U5pz6B71]

Now where did that Morely guy go? I gave him that info he wanted but he hasn't acknowledged it yet. Strange.

I thought you did an excellent hoisting yourself with your own nonsense. Didn't really see the need to add anything to make you look any more foolish.

[Loonerisav]

What? I "quoted statments of fact"?

You do realize when I mentioned the themes that Obama and the left have run on for decades were not exact quotes don't you?

Even he is or whoever helps him with his speaches is smart enough not to come out and call the rich and corporations evil in a blatant fashion. You can not deny that the points in the quotes I provided are not showing exactly what I said they would, just with some better political wording. It's just the same old political game playing and lies that even the great Obama is caught up in.

Remember; when you debate a leftist and you speak in themes and not exact quotes you're a liar

Now where did that Morely guy go? He ran out! This is the time he rounds up teenagers and young adults who aren't equipped to make good, rational decisions on their own. Helps the state ship them off to re-education camps!

[Crundaangerge]

He ran out! This is the time he rounds up teenagers and young adults who aren't equipped to make good, rational decisions on their own. Helps the state ship them off to re-education camps!

Have I mentioned that you're delusional. Also, you're putting words in my mouth.

[OccabsLam]

I thought you did an excellent hoisting yourself with your own nonsense. Didn't really see the need to add anything to make you look any more foolish.

Just as I thought *crickets*