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Old 02-03-2006, 03:45 PM   #1
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Default bush's double standards...
I heard that Bush will make agreement with India and transfer some nuclear energy... and India has over 20 atom bombs.

and you just stucked on iran.

i don't believe bush, i don't believe his stupit policies... the people who supports him are dumbs.. it's so clear.

As long as these double standards rule the world, i'm gonna support Iran about nuclear activities.

If USA does not let any country to have nuclear power; then i support this.
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Old 02-03-2006, 04:07 PM   #2
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  • India already has nuclear power
  • India is already not an NPT signatory
  • India has 1+ billion people with energy demands that far outstrip Iran's ability to be energy self sufficient
  • India is already a democracy with as transparent a government as any
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Old 02-03-2006, 04:45 PM   #3
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  • India already has nuclear power
  • India is already not an NPT signatory
  • India has 1+ billion people with energy demands that far outstrip Iran's ability to be energy self sufficient
  • India is already a democracy with as transparent a government as any
so? is it a guarantie for them to don'w attack? they have like 20 atom bombs... so??? what are atom bombs for? sooo? so?? so?

So, are you trying to equate India and Iran?
There are countries and then there are countries.
trying? trying? trying? trying what? they both have nuclear weapons. why should i equate something? what are nuclear weapons for? same mission, same ideals. are you dumb or something?

No double standards there. The cooperation is in the commercial, not military, nuclear work. And the agreement signed specifically separates it from the millitary-related work and brings it under international inspections.
oh yeah. i remember this yada yada from somewhere. India will take parts, sources, energy from USA for to use civilian missions (it'll appear like) but use in military's nuclear factories. i know this i know...

-not military, just commercial.. oh yeah mama...
millitary-related work and brings it under international inspections why should i believe this? how can i believe? inspections and incspectors are managed by USA. why should i believe all of these bulsh... that's the problem
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Old 02-03-2006, 05:41 PM   #4
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so? is it a guarantie for them to don'w attack? they have like 20 atom bombs... so??? what are atom bombs for? sooo? so?? so?
It's materially different if you break your own treaties versus you don't enter into treaties.

They already have them and they show no obvious intent to use them for any purpose other than deterrence.

They have real energy demands that have to be considered. Would you rather they embrace the OPEC states?
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Old 02-03-2006, 06:00 PM   #5
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Serdar,

Why are you so concerened? India is buying tens of billions of $$$ of oil & gas from Iran. Iran can use this money to build its own bombs.

Correction. India has over 100 deployed atom bombs included boosted fission weapons. The figure of 20 is for those pesky Pakistanis and gulf countries. The rest is reserved for our friends in China.
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Old 02-03-2006, 07:43 PM   #6
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Serdar,

Why are you so concerened? India is buying tens of billions of $$$ of oil & gas from Iran. Iran can use this money to build its own bombs.

Correction. India has over 100 deployed atom bombs included boosted fission weapons. The figure of 20 is for those pesky Pakistanis and gulf countries. The rest is reserved for our friends in China.
dude, is it really good think? Iran installed lots of rocket battery in the Turkish-Iran border. What about my country? What if Iran nukes to Turkey? There are tens of US military bases in Turkey. I'm not even supporting Pakistan. My point is "let's leave it alltogether". Because Turkey is starting nuclear issues very soon too... wtf.. Every countries being armed. It means world is boiling.

About the Chine. some theoristes are saying like "USA is trying to take India his side against China". I still prefer India to be in China's side. India is in the same area hundreds of years, same neighbord and close relations.
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Old 02-03-2006, 07:56 PM   #7
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Serdar,

If there was no deal, would you think it would have reduced India's strategic capability?

In any case, Turkey is a signatory to the NPT & CTBT - it can not develop nuclear weapons. It is in NATO which provides it a nuclear umbrella.

The non signatories to the NPT are India, Israel and Pakistan, and NK that withdrew. Israel may be under the US nuclear umbrella, but thats not assured. Pakistan is essentially under the Chinese nuclear umbrella and the only country out in cold is India. It had to do it on its own. With this agreement it makes India's nuclear power plants within IAEA safegaurds. Even IAEA chief accepted this today.
sooner Turkey Republic is starting to Nuclear Programs for energy (Civilian) and Turkish military involved. Also US gave about 16 nuclear materials (i don't know what exactly it's in English) for military usage.

Can USA detect a nuclear weapon factory under the ground? like 500m or 1 km down under the ground?

In any case, Turkey is a signatory to the NPT & CTBT - it can not develop nuclear weapons. It is in NATO which provides it a nuclear umbrella. Can you please help me to figure out Frances situation?
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Old 02-03-2006, 08:02 PM   #8
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Designing a workable bomb is not that hard. Making a reliable one is hard. In fact workable designs are so well understood that we don't have to test them anymore. Rail-gun designs like the Hiroshima bomb are very well documented and you could with some physics background pick a lot of the parameters off a table. Now collecting enough fissile material and machining and engineering the device even a crude device is much harder. But you would end up with is entirely functional. If you had the material you could build a device in the 8-15kt range and it would be deliverable somehow. Whether by truck or plane or cargo ship. Since these kinds of devices aren't really intended to stand off in an inventory one doesn't need sophisticatd PALs (passive access locks) those highly secure cryptographic ignition control switches that serve as fail-safe devices. Now ideally one wants to air drop a small warhead and have it detonate about 300-400 meters above ground but if that's not possible and it's a ground burst - the effective blast radius would still be pretty large.
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