[MannoFr]

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[HedgeYourBets]

Some may not like Bush, but at least it's not a total freaking mystery where he stands on VITAL issues.

Yeah you're right.

Bush stand for more butchery..


Editor's Note | The title is a wordplay. Bushery is pronounced "boucherie" in French. Boucherie means butchery/mass killings.


"Bushery"
By Eric Fottorino
Le Monde

Monday 20 September 2004

Behind the numbers, there are the deaths. All kinds of deaths. Civilians and military, those with "weapons in hand" and those "who were just passing by that way" who will never again pass by anywhere.

Iraq has become an enormous statistic of violent mortality. So here we trace curves, fill out diagrams to create a more removed version of this humdrum horror, but how speaking it is, screaming even.

A religious leader explained this weekend to our Baghdad special envoy Rémy Ourdan (Le Monde 19-20 September): The Americans kill forty times more civilians than fighters. And those civilians have fathers, brothers, and sons who will not know any peace until they've avenged their deaths.

So all this is going to continue. Time and blood run out together. Hostage takings multiply, after the French journalists, after the two Americans and a Briton, comes the turn of Turkish truck drivers, abducted and murdered.

The killing machine is running lose and no one capable of stopping it.

In the United States, these deaths in Iraq are not spoken of in the election campaign. We see members of the movement Military Families Against the War speaking out, wearing t-shirts reading: "President Bush, you have killed my son."

Ever since the White House launched this war, every day is a day of mourning in America, every day is a tornado, the end of the world in which they believed in their own invincibility, and enjoyed the feeling of being right. "Right" infuses. The right that might makes.

In spite of this supposedly won war, however, more than a thousand American soldiers have died. Kofi Annan considers it "illegal" and the weapons of mass destruction would have almost become a reason to laugh, if the laugh had not been paid for in so many lives.

What can be going through the head of the United States' president, a candidate for his own reelection, when everything that he has said is revealed to be false, when every one of his choices is a mistake?

One could believe that in his conscience he looks for an opportunity to redeem himself, to stop the massacre. Maybe he'll wake up tomorrow after a bad night to decide: "The next person who dies over there, I'll withdraw American forces and hand Iraq over to the United Nations."

The next person who dies...Angelicism is not in fashion. Bush persists and Iraq bleeds. He would be wrong to recant. It seems that his people applaud when he pronounces a sentence such as: "America and the world are safer with Saddam in a cell."

We could have sworn the opposite. I would bet without any pleasure that terrorism has become more organized, more dangerous, with constantly more killing candidates trying to make that warrior for The Good, "W.", swallow his own smugness.

Yesterday, eminent members of the Republican Party criticized the president's "mistakes or incompetence" in Iraq. I could not believe my ears. An attack of wisdom?

Not at all. These strategists consider urgent...a new ground offensive, including the deployment of 70,000 more soldiers and 25,000 more marines. In short, another "Bushery".

[Drugmachine]

I'm afraid most of the people I ended up putting on my ignore list are what i'd call 'kindergarten intellect'.

The problem is not just they act like spoiled kids, but since they come from the most overarmed country on earth they actually kill people in the process. Like a kid playing with an ant and tearing it's legs off one by one.... "all arabs are terrorists, we must kill them all".


That's a bit what is at stake in these elections ... and the worst thing is by many aspects, the main handicap of Kerry is just that he is "too clever to be elected". 'kindergarten intellect' prefer a failed business man, whose obessions and blunder killed thousands and trigger a worldwide clash of civilization ... but who looks more like an ordinary man, even in his ability to react when the WTC burns or in his obsession on saddam which result in letting Ben Laden walk free and give a spectacular boost creating new terrorist organizations.



Now about "europe supports Kerry". There is no support for Kerry in europe. there is an intense dislike for Bush. Nuance.

You are an arrogant fool. Plain and simple. Don't read too much into it.

[LottiFurmann]

Kofi Annan said today that the UN would not be going back into Iraq until the security situation is stable. Bush requested international assistance several times, again today, and no country has volunteered additional troops. How would Kerry succeed in convincing these countries or the UN to commit troops given their stated positions?

As usual, I 'quite' agree with you. But for me I think Kerry would get a better chance than Bush.


Europeans are very conscious how critical the situation is and what is at stake in Iraq.
Now, NO ONE wants to commit with a guy who's been litterrally pissing on us for months and who makes blunder after blunder. Have you heard Bush parading in the UN today? Invading iraq was a blunder of historical, unprecedented magnitude. It took something like a whole year for Bush to admit that they was more than just "a few foreign terrorists" .. now I do not think he had the lucidity to utter the word "uprising". A today what do we hear ... just a quote "We've accomplished much in the last year" when i read that I just see red.

Now, should we change our policy and actively support Bush? This guy is unable to make a proper decision, he is unable to assess a situation. At best he's an idiot, no doubt the most dangerous man alive.
Should we send our soldiers to be killed in Iraq? This is not only idiotic but impossible. No european public opinion will allow this. Even the brits are pulling out now.



Now Kerry would be no magic man, iraq is incredebly messed up... but at least you get someone clever you can talk to and who has the ability to listen. That is not going to change the world situation : were're with a single nation with a disproportionate military power.. and willing to use it in the most stupid way possible.


And reading this forum regularly, you might find europe-bashing and hatred of france a normal thing, Mira. Well THIS IS NOT A NORMAL THING. No one in europe and many other countires will work with an administration so full of contempt.



but I'm getting away from topic... you now the polls, Bush is ahead and stands the best chance to get re-elected.


For me the big news of the thread is : americans will have a choice.
I've been asking again and again here what the difference between Bush and Kerry was over Iraq. To no avail.

So if there is a difference, if there is a choice, if the election is about the real issue in the world today... That's news.

[MannoFr]

No, that wasn't what I was saying. But I see how you could have twisted that. Actually, it only acts as a confirmation.

If that wasn't what you were saying then you weren't saying anything at all, because that's all there is to your post. If you meant something else, it wasn't explained in the post. Because of that, I have no option but to believe that's what you meant and you've given no reason to believe otherwise but unsupported denial.