[JulietOreira]

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Bush said the U.S.-led global war on terror has "weakened and fractured" al Qaeda and allied groups, outlining as proof new details about the multinational cooperation that foiled purported terrorist plans to fly a commercial airplane into the tallest skyscraper on the West Coast.
More. . . Democrats would hamstring the office of the President who's prime job is to keep America safe. Republicans are working to defend America.
For your children, vote Republican!

From the same source:

Bush has referred to the 2002 plot before. In an address last October, he said the United States and its allies had foiled at least 10 serious plots by the al Qaeda terror network in the last four years, including plans for September 11-like attacks on both U.S. coasts. The White House initially would not give details of the plots but later released a fact sheet with a brief, and vague, description of each. Democrats side with our enemies while the Republicans fight them on a global scale.
Don't let the Democrats fool you, they stand for the murder of the unborn and that puts them on the same moral plane as the Palestinians and Iranians.
We need more Republicans in the House and the Senate in order to keep our children safe. Think about it.

[NofFoomiTot]

What the hell is up with things that happened or where announced months ago are once again news? Are we running low on ideas or something? I'm waiting for Terri Schiavo to become controversial again, geez...

[lodsemelf]

I'm sorry, I can't beloeve this. it is too coincidental.

I am listening to TV, and Bush is saying that The whitehouse has thwarted an attack on the Library tower in LA. This is so convenient. During the Wire tap investigation, suddenly a story (which would obviously be secret )(if true), has been declassified at just the right time to add creedence to the need for the unlawfull actions of the president. How stupid does he think we are???

[diegogo]

It's more how desperate the regime is at present.

This is a Roveish attempt to forestall Senate investigations into the illegal wiretap of Americans, which is political at its root.

Guess some Republicans are skittish with how a dictatorship works............... but not with having one.

[ggiifdfalls]

Democrats would hamstring the office of the President who's prime job is to keep America safe. Republicans are working to defend America.
For your children, vote Republican!

From the same source:



Democrats side with our enemies while the Republicans fight them on a global scale.
Don't let the Democrats fool you, they stand for the murder of the unborn and that puts them on the same moral plane as the Palestinians and Iranians.
We need more Republicans in the House and the Senate in order to keep our children safe. Think about it.

Sorry I didn.t see this post before. I just posted a thread reporting this idiocy. It would have been much easier just to POO HOO yours.

[Maribellin]

Threads merged!

[Catieliecutty]

I'm sorry, I can't beloeve this. it is too coincidental.

I am listening to TV, and Bush is saying that The whitehouse has thwarted an attack on the Library tower in LA. This is so convenient. During the Wire tap investigation, suddenly a story (which would obviously be secret )(if true), has been declassified at just the right time to add creedence to the need for the unlawfull actions of the president. How stupid does he think we are???

Well, oddly enough, this was already disclosed back in October.

Like the Danish cartoon, somehow, old news is new news again...

[Imiweevierm]

The timing of this seems very suspicious, what with the NSA hearings and all.

What strikes me as odd is that the mayor of LA had never been told of the threat at all.

As well the BBC points out that the plot was discovered and arrests were made by Thailand. Perhaps the name of the thread should read "Thailand is keeping America safe."

Bush also did not mention any information obtained through wiretaps aided in discovering this plot. Actually questions at the press briefing about if wiretaps were involved were left unanswered. You would think with the scrutiny over the NSA wiretaps this would have been a good opportunity to show the benefits without releasing too much information.

Edit: Link

[Glanteeignile]

Threads merged!

THANK YOU.

[AndyColemants]

Well, obviously due to security concerns Bush could not release the information earlier and had to wait until no resources would be compromised by the release of this information.
President Bush is not some cheap ass politician like Kerry and has the awesome responsility of keeping America safe and of being the most powerful man of the 10 planetary system.
The attack on LA was probably thwarted with information gained from the wiretaps and other sources.
Remember, Republicans work to keep you safe while Democrats work with our enemies.

[theatadug]

The timing of this seems very suspicious, what with the NSA hearings and all.

What strikes me as odd is that the mayor of LA had never been told of the threat at all.

As well the BBC points out that the plot was discovered and arrests were made by Thailand. Perhaps the name of the thread should read "Thailand is keeping America safe."

Bush also did not mention any information obtained through wiretaps aided in discovering this plot. Actually questions at the press briefing about if wiretaps were involved were left unanswered. You would think with the scrutiny over the NSA wiretaps this would have been a good opportunity to show the benefits without releasing too much information.

Edit: Link

not to nitpick you, but Antonio Villaragosa was not the mayor at the time this was supposed to have occured. So it is not surprising that he was not told.

[GooogleGuy]

not to nitpick you, but Antonio Villaragosa was not the mayor at the time this was supposed to have occured. So it is not surprising that he was not told.

Not a problem. I was just going by what I heard on the news.

I found the story here

Emphasizing that there is no imminent threat to his city, Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa said during a Thursday news conference that he had already heard about the 2002 threat, but Thursday was the first time he'd learned the details. Sorry for the mix-up. He did know about the plot, but not the details.

[Markdogas]

I'm sorry, I can't beloeve this. it is too coincidental.

I am listening to TV, and Bush is saying that The whitehouse has thwarted an attack on the Library tower in LA. This is so convenient. During the Wire tap investigation, suddenly a story (which would obviously be secret )(if true), has been declassified at just the right time to add creedence to the need for the unlawfull actions of the president. How stupid does he think we are???

I don't see the convenience you are talking about. The thwarted event occured in 2002. The Whitehouse declassifies the information to prove that the program has been effective at the time political critics are trying to kill the program. How is this "convenient" as you described? Sounds to me like the action of any person who has any intelligence and conviction.

[bestworkothlo]

I'm sorry, I can't beloeve this. it is too coincidental.

I am listening to TV, and Bush is saying that The whitehouse has thwarted an attack on the Library tower in LA. This is so convenient. During the Wire tap investigation, suddenly a story (which would obviously be secret )(if true), has been declassified at just the right time to add creedence to the need for the unlawfull actions of the president. How stupid does he think we are???

No convenience, the President can't release classified information because other operations could be compromised.
You would be one of the first and loudest screaming for his head had he not been able to thwart al-Qaida so far. Now you are complaining because of the spying (on Americans making overseas calls).
You can't have it both ways.
It's exactly this kind of news that stabs at the Democrats and supports Republicans however.

[Inconykic]

not to nitpick you, but Antonio Villaragosa was not the mayor at the time this was supposed to have occured. So it is not surprising that he was not told.

I agree, it is obvious why it was brought up again, at this particular time and considering the purposes of the Administration, it is also reasonable that it was not deemed important to let the mayor know about something that happened 3 or 4 years ago. ( It might even have allowed the opposition to put their spin on it before Bush could do so)

[CiccoineFed]

eh, pale compared to the 9-11 blunder.

[zttrftwsq]

I agree, it is obvious why it was brought up again, at this particular time and considering the purposes of the Administration, it is also reasonable that it was not deemed important to let the mayor know about something that happened 3 or 4 years ago. ( It might even have allowed the opposition to put their spin on it before Bush could do so)

With all that is going on in Bush's world, he needed to remind people that he is A War President, and that he's going to protect us from all those damn evil doers ... so he drags up something previously released, repackages it with a few more details, and releases it just as his administration is being taken to task for warrantless spying on Americans. Hey, mid-term elections are coming up fast, and it's time to beat the national security drum.

Here's another twist on the same kind of politics.

Cheney Says NSA Spying Should Be an Election Issue, Washington Post, Feb. 10, 2006:

Vice President Cheney suggested last night that the debate over spying on overseas communications to or from terrorism suspects should be a political issue in this year's congressional elections.

Speaking to Republicans gathered for the annual CPAC convention, Cheney said the debate over the National Security Agency surveillance program "has clarified where all stand" on an issue that has drawn criticism from congressional Democrats and some Republicans. Ah, the Master at work. Darth Cheney is so clever with words, isn't he? Obviously, the "clarification" is that you're either for the warrantless spying and against terrorists, or you're against the warrantless spying and for the terrorists. Cheney - and other small minds - can't seem to understand that people in favor of the Constitution have serious problems with the warrantless spying on Americans but also support any and all legal means to deny terrorists any opportunity to attack this country or her citizens again.

"And with an important election coming up, people need to know just how we view the most critical questions of national security, and how we propose to defend the nation that all of us, Republicans and Democrats, love and are privileged to serve," Cheney said.

His comments reflected the emerging GOP plan to make national security and terrorism the centerpiece of House and Senate elections. White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove telegraphed the strategy last month when he told a Republican audience that "we are dealing with two parties that have fundamentally different views on national security." And the clear implication - there's only one right view on national security, and that's OUR view. Anyone who has a different view is wrong, is unpatriotic, and has a "pre-9/11" view of the world.

It's a good plan - Rove is a genius - you know, like those evil geniuses in the really bad, low-budget horror flicks?

So, they're going to run on national security and terrorism. Guess we'll hear how well things are going in Iraq, and the trial of Bin Laden (surely we'll catch him now - it's the mid-term elections, for crying out loud!), and Hamas, and Iran, and North Korea maybe, and how 'bout them borders ... gee, they have a lot of material!

[casinobonbone]

With all that is going on in Bush's world, he needed to remind people that he is A War President, and that he's going to protect us from all those damn evil doers ... so he drags up something previously released, repackages it with a few more details, and releases it just as his administration is being taken to task for warrantless spying on Americans. Hey, mid-term elections are coming up fast, and it's time to beat the national security drum.

Here's another twist on the same kind of politics.

Cheney Says NSA Spying Should Be an Election Issue, Washington Post, Feb. 10, 2006:


Ah, the Master at work. Darth Cheney is so clever with words, isn't he? Obviously, the "clarification" is that you're either for the warrantless spying and against terrorists, or you're against the warrantless spying and for the terrorists. Cheney - and other small minds - can't seem to understand that people in favor of the Constitution have serious problems with the warrantless spying on Americans but also support any and all legal means to deny terrorists any opportunity to attack this country or her citizens again.


And the clear implication - there's only one right view on national security, and that's OUR view. Anyone who has a different view is wrong, is unpatriotic, and has a "pre-9/11" view of the world.

It's a good plan - Rove is a genius - you know, like those evil geniuses in the really bad, low-budget horror flicks?

So, they're going to run on national security and terrorism. Guess we'll hear how well things are going in Iraq, and the trial of Bin Laden (surely we'll catch him now - it's the mid-term elections, for crying out loud!), and Hamas, and Iran, and North Korea maybe, and how 'bout them borders ... gee, they have a lot of material!

I shouldn't do this now, It's too soon, but here goes. I am an unrepentant Bush Basher, Not because I don't like Bush, (tho true), but because IMHO we HAVE to get rid of him.

Strangely, I saw him on TV last night, "Again and again and again". about the terrorist attack against LA, and how it was twarted (did you note that it wasn't this country that discovered the plot????) But my point is:

For the first time, I realize that Bush is scared "poopless", and he's smart enough to knows he is in deep trouble. So he is going to pull out ALL the stops. And in the end, he is still going to lose.

1. First, it will come to pass that some of his present supporters are going to defect from the bush team, and start thinking of the overall good of the party. Thus,

2. It came to me that alltho it would be very nice, we don't need to have a democratic congress to cause Bush to be impeached. his own party will help, and thus, Bush will be gone. However,

3. That unfortunately is not the only problem, as it is becoming more and more evident. (We still have to contend with Chenny).

4. OK, so now I'm playing psychic. but I am rather positive it will come to pass.

"YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST"

OK Gadfly and all you other Bush-lovers, Have at it.