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Old 11-28-2007, 08:18 PM   #1
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Default Teacher charged in Sudan over Teddy Bear.
I don't know if someone post this all ready ( I know I should check).

Sudan Charges Teacher for Teddy Bear Name
By ALFRED de MONTESQUIOU
Associated Press Writer





KHARTOUM, Sudan (AP) -- Sudan charged a British teacher Wednesday with inciting religious hatred after she allowed her students to name a teddy bear Muhammad, an offense that could subject her to 40 lashes, the country's official news agency reported.

The teacher, Gillian Gibbons, was arrested after one of her pupils' parents complained, accusing her of naming the bear after Islam's Prophet Muhammad.
The case was sure to heighten tensions between Sudan and Britain. After announcing she was charged, Britain responded by summoning the Sudanese ambassador to discuss the charges, the spokesman for Prime Minister Gordon Brown said.

Sudan's prosecutor general, Salah Addin Abuzeit, said Gibbons was charged under article 125 of the Sudanese legal code, which carries a punishment of up to 40 lashes and six months in prison.

"The case will be referred to the court tomorrow," the news Sudanese News Agency quoted Abuzeit as saying.
Gibbons' employer, the Unity High School in Khartoum, has said she never intended to insult Islam and has apologized to Muslims who were offended.

Officials at the school say she was teaching her 7-year-old students about animals and asked one of them to bring in her teddy bear. Gibbons then asked the students to pick names for the bear and in the end, they voted to name it Muhammad, school officials say.
Khartoum officials have downplayed the case, saying it was an isolated incident. Sudanese diplomats in Britain and at the United Nations in New York had said they expected the 54-year-old teacher to be released soon, stating authorities were cautious to guarantee her safety in jail.

But Sudan's top clerics said in a statement Wednesday that the full measure of the law should be applied against Gibbons, calling the incident part of a broader Western "plot" against Islam.
Northern Sudan's legal system is based on Islam's Sharia law, which harshly punishes blasphemy against the Prophet Muhammad. Any depiction of the prophet is forbidden in Islam, for fear it would provoke idolatry. Caricatures of Muhammad in some European media last year sparked riots in several Muslim countries.

The Sudanese clerics said this was blasphemy and believed it was intentional.
"What has happened was not haphazard or carried out of ignorance, but rather a calculated action and another ring in the circles of plotting against Islam," the Sudanese Assembly of the Ulemas said the statement.

"It is part of the campaign of the so-called war against terrorism and the intense media campaign against Islam," they said.
The clerics said the "plot" was exemplified "in the writings of renegade Salman Rushdie and the blasphemous caricatures of Prophet Muhammad." Rushdie has received multiple death threats from hardline Muslims for publishing a novel questioning Muhammad's morals.

Sudan's Assembly of Ulemas is a semiofficial body of top preachers, clerics and scholars of Islam. It is generally viewed as a moderate body that has the ear of the Sudanese government.

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Old 11-28-2007, 10:09 PM   #2
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BS.

The clerics are just rousing the rabble again. They see this as an easy issue to cause contention over.

If it was a murderer that made a picture of Muhammad, not too many people would see any problem with giving him a lashing and they would have nothing to squabble over, but GOD FORBID a heathen teacher for naming a teddy bear after a prophet.


Question: Are there any people named Muhammad?

Also, does anyone else find it ironic that the policy was put in place to discourage idolatry, but putting up giant signs with his name on it in churches is not? Or that somehow idolatry is worse than zealotry?

These people need to be educated, otherwise they are just being led as sheep by anyone who wants that kind of control.
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Old 11-29-2007, 01:28 AM   #3
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an offense that could subject her to 40 lashes, Change of venue is needed.

The should all take a trip to the UK, visit Capn Birdseye, put on some pirate clothes, and throw back rum and sing songs until they get stinking drunk.
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Old 11-29-2007, 01:50 AM   #4
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Humor is in short supply in some of these lands.







(Kill the cartoonist.)
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Old 11-29-2007, 02:24 AM   #5
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Now there's a 'rogue regime' that needs to be taken out.
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Old 11-29-2007, 05:05 AM   #6
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Ahh nothing like some fundamentalist islamists in one of the poorer countries in africa
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Old 11-29-2007, 10:27 PM   #7
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KHARTOUM, Sudan (CNN) -- A court in Sudan on Thursday found a British teacher guilty of inciting religious hatred by allowing her class to name a teddy bear "Mohammed" and sentenced her to 15 days in prison and deportation, her defense laywer told CNN.

An undated amateur photo of Gillian Gibbons, who has been charged with offending religion.



The court in Khartoum ordered Gillian Gibbons, 54, to be incarcerated in the city's Omdurman women's prison, her lawyer said, adding that the verdict was "disappointing" and they would be mounting an appeal.
Journalist Andrew Heavens said the appeal would probably take at least 15 days to mount.

The UK Foreign Office said they are aware of Gibbons' guilty verdict and sentencing. They said her sentence will be 15 days from the date of her arrest. She was arrested on Sunday, so she has 11 days left.
Gibbons was detained after it emerged she had allowed her class of 7-year-olds to choose the name of the toy as part of a school project, Robert Boulos, the head of Unity High School, told CNN.

She was ushered into the courthouse earlier through a crowd of reporters by Sudanese police earlier in the day. She looked somber and dazed and was dressed in a black blazer and light blue skirt.
UK Foreign Secretary David Miliband called Gibbons' actions an "innocent misunderstanding," following a meeting with the Sudanese Ambassador to Britain, Omer Siddig, who was summoned to the Foreign Office in London.
"I explained to him that we were very concerned by the case. We believe that this was an innocent misunderstanding," he said in a statement released after the meeting.

"The Sudanese ambassador undertook to ensure our concerns were relayed to Khartoum at the highest level. He also said he would reflect back to Khartoum the real respect for the Islamic religion in this country," the statement added.

Boulos told CNN Wednesday that the complaint about Gibbons' actions came from a staff member at the school, not from a parent as originally thought.
Speaking outside the court, Boulos said a letter from Sudan's Ministry of Education claimed that parents had raised concerns over the naming of the bear. He said he did not know who was responsible, but was "horrified" when he found out it was a member of his own staff.
Defense counsel later confirmed that the complaint came from Sarah Khawad, a secretary at the school. The counsel, who did not give his name, said the hearing had been delayed as it waited for Khawad to arrive at court to give her evidence.

British consular staff and Gibbons' defense team were at first refused access to the court by Sudanese police.
The defense lawyer was later allowed in to see his client but came out after 30 minutes and told reporters the hearing had been adjourned while judges waited for the prosecution team to arrive.

On the first floor of the courthouse, around 25 police linked arms and forced journalists and British officials away from the court entrance. Police detained some journalists, and confiscated a camera belonging to a freelance CNN cameraman.
Four vans filled with riot police were waiting outside the courthouse, but there were no signs of street disturbances or protests. Staff from Gibbons' school, including Boulos, were present. They refused to comment on their colleague's predicament.
The charges against Gibbons were announced Wednesday in Arabic on by state-run news agency.
Although there is no ban in the Quran on images of Allah or the Prophet Mohammed, likenesses are considered highly offensive by Muslims.

Gibbons has been working at the school -- popular with wealthy Sudanese and expatriates -- since August, after leaving her position as deputy head teacher at a primary school in Liverpool this summer, said Boulos.
He said Gibbons asked the children to pick their favorite name for the new class mascot, which she was using to aid lessons about animals and their habitats.

Journalist Andrew Heavens contributed to this report.
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Old 11-29-2007, 11:55 PM   #8
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Screw them.

They are picking on the wrong person. Someone who is coming in to help with their kids and their education. Taking this much of a stance because of a secretaries complaint it ridiculous. The secretary should be fired.

This event has brought a lot of bad press and bad feelings and had gotten rid of a woman who had no more interest in "subverting" youths than the ice cream man.

GJ on scaring off other people from a thankless job Sudan! May your kids grow up just smart enough to give you trouble.
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Old 11-30-2007, 12:03 AM   #9
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I hate Sudan. Can you hate a country? Oh yeah, ok, I hate its government. This story is revolting.

Khartoum is rabidly and murderously anti-Christian.
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Old 11-30-2007, 07:51 PM   #10
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From the Daily News:

Sudanese call for teddy bear teacher's death

DAILY NEWS STAFF
Friday, November 30th 2007, 11:34 AM
AFP/Getty Thousands of Sudanese protesters, some brandishing swords and knives, demand the execution of British teacher Gillian Gibbons.


Colleagues said teacher Gillian Gibbons did not mean to insult Islam when she allowed her 7-year-old pupils name their teddy bear Muhammad.


Thousands of protesters, many brandishing clubs and swords, took to the streets of Sudan’s capital Friday, demanding the execution of a British teacher who let her students name a teddy bear Muhammad.
Gillian Gibbons, 54, was moved from the women’s prison near Khartoum to a secret location for her protection, her lawyer said.
Gibbons was found guilty Thursday of insulting Islam and sentenced to 15 days in jail. She was spared the more serious punishment of 40 lashes.
That angered many in Khartoum, who rallied in Martyrs Square outside the presidential palace. Protesters waved sticks, knives, axes and swords.

“Kill her, kill her by firing squad!” they chanted. “No tolerance, execution!”
Others shouted, “Shame, shame on the U.K.”
A cleric at Khartoum’s main Martyrs Mosque claimed Gibbons had intentionally insulted the Muslim faith.
“This an arrogant woman who came to our country, cashing her salary in dollars, teaching our children hatred of our Prophet Muhammad,” Abdul-Jalil Nazeer al-Karouri told worshippers at a Friday sermon.
“Imprisoning this lady does not satisfy the thirst of Muslims in Sudan,” he said.

Britain was working through diplomatic channels to try to free Gibbons. Foreign Secretary David Miliband summoned the Sudanese ambassador late Thursday to express Britain’s disappointment with the verdict.
Gibbons, from Liverpool in northern England, moved to Sudan in July and began teaching at the Unity School in Khartoum. She was arrested Sunday after some parents complained that she had allowed her class of 7-year-olds to name a teddy bear Muhammad.
School officials have said the students suggested names for the bear and then voted. Their choice was Muhammad - the most popular boy’s name in the Muslim world.

But while naming a child after Islam’s revered prophet is acceptable, many consider using it for an animal or toy to be insulting.
In Britan -- where Muhammad is now the second most popular name for baby boys -- the reaction had been shock and disbelief, from both non-Muslims and Muslims.

Muhammad Abdul Bari, secretary-general of the Muslim Council of Britain, said Sudanese authorities had “grossly overreacted.”
“Gillian should never have been arrested, let alone charged and convicted of committing a crime,” he said.

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Old 11-30-2007, 08:04 PM   #11
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That angered many in Khartoum, who rallied in Martyrs Square outside the presidential palace. Protesters waved sticks, knives, axes and swords

“Kill her, kill her by firing squad!” Irony?
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Old 11-30-2007, 08:11 PM   #12
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The endgame ^ of literal belief in The Word
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Old 11-30-2007, 08:25 PM   #13
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Thing is, most people that yell that loud about something are either:

a) hiding something about themselves.
b) trying to be accepted by people who would normally reject them
c) worried that they would not be able to deal/compete with any change in the way things are and "should be".

or

d) planted by those in power that would like to keep their positions, either in the theocracy or the government (or both).
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Old 11-30-2007, 08:35 PM   #14
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I know Britain has war fatigue, but isn't it time someone took this government out? You could argue they previously had no right because the genocide wasn't an external matter, but now they are starting to get belligerent with the west.

Brown is kind of a wimp and the people who voted for him don't like the Iraq War, but this is nothing like that. This is an unpremediated attack on a British person who was lawfully admitted to Sudan. They could deport her, but if they put her in jail, they should get a visit from the RAF. Some government in the world are bad enough for the west to get rid of, and this seems like one of them.
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Old 11-30-2007, 08:36 PM   #15
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Or they ^ just want to see a bleeding lump of a human being.

We can get into the psychology of a group of people who claim that a woman who shows the merest bit of skin is such a powerful presence as to render men unable to think logically.

And who claim that a Teddy Bear = The Devil.

Or we can say, "They're NUTS. Ergo DANGEROUS to a free thinking world."

Due to stories such as this (and countless others) I am becoming more of a misanthrope by the day.

Does mankind deserve to continue living on this planet

Don't forget that we here in the USA execute folks to a greater degree than nearly any other country on earth.
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Old 11-30-2007, 08:42 PM   #16
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I know Britain has war fatigue, but isn't it time someone took this government out? You could argue they previously had no right because the genocide wasn't an external matter, but now they are starting to get belligerent with the west.

Brown is kind of a wimp and the people who voted for him don't like the Iraq War, but this is nothing like that. This is an unpremediated attack on a British person who was lawfully admitted to Sudan. They could deport her, but if they put her in jail, they should get a visit from the RAF. Some government in the world are bad enough for the west to get rid of, and this seems like one of them.
lol, no western government is going to send their young boys to Africa after what happened in Somalia etc. The UN can't even send more than a few hundreds peace keepers to Darfur who are toothless and can't do anything other than defend themselves from murderous ravaging bands.

Africa is like Europe in Middle Ages, there's lots of desease, poverty, mercenaries hired by absolutist rulers, disregard for human life, and overall absense of any kind of accountable government.

(Russia is the same minus the mercenaries.)
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Old 11-30-2007, 09:00 PM   #17
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I think good people can disagree about the death penalty, but in the US, the death penalty is applied to crimes like premeditated murder and other unequivocally evil acts - usually after a protracted due process. The Sudanese are committing wholesale gratuitous genocide against people who are primarily unarmed civilians. And now they are attacking a westerner because one of her students says something about a teddy bear.

If Margaret Thatcher were PM (or for that matter if anyone was PM except Brown) this wouldn't be happening. Reagan was right to bomb Libya in 1986, and if Brown did this now, he'd be SO MUCH MORE unequivocally right is unbelievable - let's get rid of a genocidal Islamist state that is now trying to test the waters on imposing sharia punishment on a British citizen. Sudan can deport her with no punishment or get obliterated. That's what Britain's message should be.
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Old 11-30-2007, 09:35 PM   #18
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Don't forget that we here in the USA execute folks to a greater degree than nearly any other country on earth.
With relish?
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Old 11-30-2007, 11:28 PM   #19
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With relish?
they used to lynch people in this country regularly not too long ago, so it seems like they are such animals over there in Sudan but it's not too long ago they did the same things here for even worst reasons...

just FYI
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Old 11-30-2007, 11:40 PM   #20
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I know Britain has war fatigue, but isn't it time someone took this government out? ...Some government in the world are bad enough for the west to get rid of, and this seems like one of them. I agree with this. I am sick and tired of hearing about the actions of Sudan, and its (apparentlly) insane northern population. I support intervention here. What they have been doing to the southerners, and their crazy brand of religion, make them a menace.
This poor woman. I hope Britain will stand up for her. If they let her be put to death I will be so angry!
Canada also needs to stand up, Talisman Energy is still heavily invested there, isn't it?

Does mankind deserve to continue living on this planet lofter, I ask myself this question so often.
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