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One termed I've learned while reading this topic:
Nashi

What's up with them?

[Bugamerka]

One termed I've learned while reading this topic:
Nashi

What's up with them?

It's a Kremlin financed youth group that means "ours" in english. It's basically a collection of ultra nationalist crazy youth's used to harass groups and individuals not beholden to the Kremlin. They have no ideology or for the most part like United Russia they just support whatever Kremlin wants them to support.

There's another group called Oborona (Defense) which is made up of people who want to defend whatever freedoms and democracy is left in Russia it doesn't have a leader and is a real grassroots organization that Kremlin is trying to irradicate.

http://www.oborona.org/english/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oborona

Basically Kremlin saw what was going on in Ukraine, Georgia etc. and created it's own youth groups which fight aggressively to prevent genuine opposition from taking hold.

Kremlin's Nashi, United Russia's Molodaya Gvardia etc. were created to counter Oborona and real pro-democratic groups.

What happened in Ukraine and Georgia scared the bejesus out of the Kremlin, so everything is done to prevent a color revolution in Russia.

[carlsberg21]

Rapunzel
Thanks. It is very pleasant for me!
And important too.
Now my English is ugly, but I'll try to do my best in future.

ZippyTheChimp

One termed I've learned while reading this topic:
Nashi

What's up with them?

I know something about "Nashi". And I already wrote about these strange guys. They place theyself as "young civilians, supporting Putin" (in any situation?!!), but they are NOT supported by Russians. Ironic destiny. Their methods are too much radical. They are looking too fanatically. And, by the they, they are not supported by Putin (!!!), and in my humble oppinion, thats right for our president.

Eugenious
It's a Kremlin financed youth group Financed only by one man from Kremlin, actually. He have his own targets. And his methods radically diferent from methods of Kremlin.
You just do not understand WHAT IS KREMLIN.
It is thousands men, eachone have self oppinion, targets and methods.
Kremlin have mainstream, consists from thousands substreams.

About another things, what you said: it is basically trash knowledge, part of Kasparov propaganda. Looks like: "bad is bad, they are bastards, they do bad, move them out, we do gooood, we are fine, take us, we will do better, they do wrong things, we will do right things". Paf! Primitive logic. Primitive knowledge base. Nothing about real situation. Populism and dirty PR-methods.

Sorry, we ate this sh.t in Yeltsin period more than just enough. Thank you, we don't wanna eat it again. Too much smell!

About Nashi and Stalin, I partially agree with you, but...
... but you do too much mistakes in logical deducations, have very short-sighted in "Russia question". You try to simplify complex problems and this reason why your final conclusions so funny. Be logical and objective, please, just try, overwise we can't speak normally.

P.S. Estonian natism is present-time problem, but Stalin died in middle of past century!
Try to keep main theme of this topic. Please.
What knid of relation have "Nashi" to moving of Bronze Soldier? Very far from REAL relation.
Source of this problem in undemocratic regime in Estonia. There is present undemocratic status "uncivilian" (one word!)
Actually giving previledges in each aspect of civil life by national indication is natism.
It is very sad, when our Forward of democracy - U.S.A. - just close eyes to situation inside Estonian community.
Russians in Estonia need help, their rights is under massive attack of nationalist government, but E.U. and U.S.A. silent and don't hurry to stop nationalism in Estonia. And... Estonia have status "democratic country"! Very sad... Try to guess WHO give that status to Estonia... and guess WHY...

[beloveds]

I have very little to contribute to this topic (so far), but I would like to interrupt for a moment:

WebErr- you once asked me to correct your English if I saw something glaring or peculiar -- and if I felt pedantic.

Twice I have seen this:

...my English is ugly...

"Ugly" is rarely used in this context. Change the word to "terrible".

"Terrible" may not seem like the right word (to you) -- but "My English is terrible" is a long-established colloquialism that foreigners to the U.S. use.

That said, your English is not as bad as that. Your English is "limited".


...dirty PR-methods... "Dirty" implies "corrupt in an underhanded way." Did you mean to say that?

Perhaps you meant "sensational". You may want to study the word "sensational", because it is used often, especially with respect to journalism, advertising and PR.


That is all. I will go back to reading what you and Eugenious and Zippy have to say.

[GennadiyRom]

Rapunzel
Спасибо преогромнейшее!!!
We understand each other very well.
But dirty is dirty, ugly is ugly.
Oh... I start writing like Eugenius, sorry.

[Desflahd]

Between your intelligence and your wit, you must be one tough customer when you debate in your native language.

[ZIDouglas]

Thank you, again!

[TOPERink]

Eugenious
Financed only by one man from Kremlin, actually. He have his own targets. And his methods radically diferent from methods of Kremlin.
You just do not understand WHAT IS KREMLIN.
It is thousands men, eachone have self oppinion, targets and methods.
Kremlin have mainstream, consists from thousands substreams.

You are naive if you think Putin doesn't control everything that happens in the Kremlin. If he didn't want to control everything you would still have Kasyanov as prime minister, a freer press and OMON wouldn't beat down old ladies.
About another things, what you said: it is basically trash knowledge, part of Kasparov propaganda. Looks like: "bad is bad, they are bastards, they do bad, move them out, we do gooood, we are fine, take us, we will do better, they do wrong things, we will do right things". Paf! Primitive logic. Primitive knowledge base. Nothing about real situation. Populism and dirty PR-methods. What is exactly? you seem to generalize everything I say as trash knowledge? What part of what I said is trash? According to you Putin can do no wrong.
Sorry, we ate this sh.t in Yeltsin period more than just enough. Thank you, we don't wanna eat it again. Too much smell! what exactly about the Yeltsin period? Yeltsin made Putin, and everything Putin does he borrows from Yeltsin except that he got rid of free press, cracking down on peaceful demonstrations and concentrated the natural resources of the country in his croneys hands...read KLEPTOCRACY.

If you've never know true democracy how can you say it doesn't work? What happened in the 90's was still better then what is going on now, if Yeltsin had high oil prices to fuel the economy like Putin does everything would be different.
About Nashi and Stalin, I partially agree with you, but...
... but you do too much mistakes in logical deducations, have very short-sighted in "Russia question". You try to simplify complex problems and this reason why your final conclusions so funny. Be logical and objective, please, just try, overwise we can't speak normally. WHats so complex about racism and hatred? I dont understand what you are saying? Stalin wasn't that bad really? And Nashi is a peacefull pro-democracy movtnt. ")
P.S. Estonian natism is present-time problem, but Stalin died in middle of past century!
Try to keep main theme of this topic. Please.
What knid of relation have "Nashi" to moving of Bronze Soldier? Very far from REAL relation.
Source of this problem in undemocratic regime in Estonia. There is present undemocratic status "uncivilian" (one word!)
Actually giving previledges in each aspect of civil life by national indication is natism.
It is very sad, when our Forward of democracy - U.S.A. - just close eyes to situation inside Estonian community.
Russians in Estonia need help, their rights is under massive attack of nationalist government, but E.U. and U.S.A. silent and don't hurry to stop nationalism in Estonia. And... Estonia have status "democratic country"! Very sad... Try to guess WHO give that status to Estonia... and guess WHY... Estonia is a REAL democracy in contrast to Russia which is a quasi dictatorship. Estonia has free press and free society, Russia has a censored manipulated press and a corrupt government. Estonia is fully within it's rights to do as it pleases. Yes there's a large Russian minority in Estonia but they have no right to burn cars and break windows to get their point across. What happened in Estonia happens in Russia ALL the time, except that it's done in a much less respectful way than Estonia did it. Russia should first take care of its own veterans and it's own graves before starting rhetoric about Estonia. The kind of propaganda that the Kremlin threw out in this instance is shameful, just as shameful as comparing USA to the third reich.

[BDDkDvgZ]

Eugenious
Well, this is much better.
You are naive if you think Putin doesn't control everything that happens in the Kremlin. He is boss in Kremlin. But he just ONE man from thousands in Kremlin. Yes, he is president, but how can you imagine: one man control WHOLE Kremlin work 24/7 ? It is giant machine of direction of giant country.

Yes, he work hardly, remember many important datasets, keep it in his head, but he is not computer. Just a man. He can control each part of this machine in each moment of time, but not whole Kremlin every moment.

This is reason why he need big team. Eachone of this team is individuality with self point of view: "how", "where" and "why". It is like big corporation. (REALLY BIG!)

f he didn't want to control everything you would still have Kasyanov as prime minister Kasyanov was not good prime-minister.

freer press and OMON wouldn't beat down old ladies This is old method to show "bloody scary regime".
First moment: old woman like a devil attack OMON with brick (in front with many young skin-heads).
Second moment: old woman like a reg doll stand under OMON conter-attack (photo, photo again, young skin-heads go back).
Third moment: old woman, skin-heads and journalist make sure to have a money, operation sucessful.
Fourth moment: lider of movement speaking about "bloody scary regime".
It is older than this world.

you seem to generalize everything I say as trash knowledge? Not whole of that. Your posts was 1/2 of truth. But shown from dark side each aspect. Listen you and see Russia as barbarians counrty, where is bears walking, vodka drinking and Red Army with Kalashnikovs under command of Putin marching through Red Square.

what exactly about the Yeltsin period? Yeltsin give to Russians uncontrolable freedom. Many people stood nothing. Many people dies. It was anarchy. Biggest territory without order of life and information. After order of U.S.S.R. it goes people mad. Why do you think 70% of Russians supports Putin?
By the way Putin is final good accord of Yeltsin symphony.
Rest in peace, Boris.

By the way Putin not going to dictate. Noway. He just making turn to democracy in slow speed. We feel it, living inside. And this supported by economics upgrade. Not only oil and gas. But many, MANY spectors of technology, business, science... all of our life going to normal state!

WHats so complex about racism and hatred? I dont understand what you are saying? Stalin wasn't that bad really? And Nashi is a peacefull pro-democracy movtnt. It is part where I partially agree with you. Stalin was monster. Without Zhukov and Rokosovsky we could failed. But in fact he was general of Red Army, what free Europe. I don't know what reason force Stalin to make any deal with that Devil - Hitler. But that give us almost two years of preparing to Great War. Anyway Stalin was cruel iron dictator. But I sure we will never understand him living in our comfortable countries. He live in period of world wide confrontation. Any case he was greatest figure in WWII events. Knot of many pores.
Nashi... I don't want to talk about that crazy guys. I don't understand them. They is not popular, but after destruction of pioneer movement they just fill void place. Law of life.

Estonia is a REAL democracy in contrast to Russia which is a quasi dictatorship. Estonia has free press and free society, Russia has a censored manipulated press and a corrupt government. Words.. words.. words.. swap here words Estonia and Russia and you will see opposite point of view. 1/2 of truth too.
Russia will never support natists, but they walking through Estonian streets.
Russia give status of civilian to mostly coming people (if all right with documents), Estonia make 1/3 of population illegal.
I can continue... My oppinion have many arguments about fascism in Estonia.

Yes there's a large Russian minority in Estonia but they have no right to burn cars and break windows to get their point across. Really? Everyday? Or only everyday... when crashing memories of our grandfathers... when playing political plays on the bones of fallen soldiers of Red Army... ? Cap of patience was overlimited... Results of mutual misunderstanding.

The kind of propaganda that the Kremlin threw out in this instance is shameful, just as shameful as comparing USA to the third reich. It was PR-reaction of Kremlin supported by WHOLE Russia. After Orange 'Revolution' in Ukraine it was first time, when Russian nation stick together. I think Ansip (prime-minister of Estonia - initiator of this damn play) better not coming to Russia next few years. For example some simple PC-users gathered togherer and crack Estonian sites one by one. It was stupid, but it is borning of our civil community. Great victory of Yeltsin/Putin.

[Ruilnasr]

Eugenious
Well, this is much better.

He is boss in Kremlin. But he just ONE man from thousands in Kremlin. Yes, he is president, but how can you imagine: one man control WHOLE Kremlin work 24/7 ? It is giant machine of direction of giant country.

Yes, he work hardly, remember many important datasets, keep it in his head, but he is not computer. Just a man. He can control each part of this machine in each moment of time, but not whole Kremlin every moment.

This is reason why he need big team. Eachone of this team is individuality with self point of view: "how", "where" and "why". It is like big corporation. (REALLY BIG!)

You really gullible my friend if you think Putin has anyone on his team that does not do as he says or approves. The reason you have a 'VERTIKAL' of power is because Putin has concentrated power in the Kremlin. The Duma, the Fed Council, the Judiciary, the biggest companies (Rosneft, Gazprom etc.) all controlled by the Kremlin. Countries defense industry, the railroads, the biggest banks, everything under direct control of Putin. He has built a gigantic appratus, a corrupt state money machine which has no checks, no ideology, no concern for human rights, only one aim POWER MORE POWER AND EVEN MORE POWER (and money).
Kasyanov was not good prime-minister. He might not have been a "good" prime minister whatever you mean by "good" I don't know, but at least he is a man of principles and does not cower to anyone. He is far better then the appartachik known as Fradkov, who is less Prime Minister and more a name and an office.

This is old method to show "bloody scary regime".
First moment: old woman like a devil attack OMON with brick (in front with many young skin-heads).
Second moment: old woman like a reg doll stand under OMON conter-attack (photo, photo again, young skin-heads go back).
Third moment: old woman, skin-heads and journalist make sure to have a money, operation sucessful.
Fourth moment: lider of movement speaking about "bloody scary regime".
It is older than this world. This is complete non-sense, first of all the pro democracy demonstrations you did not have a single window broken not a single person arrested for doing anything wrong in Moscow or St.Petersburg. What you had is 10,000 special police from other cities unleashed on the cities own residents. Not a single police man or soldier charged and no one took responsibility although 10's of own RUSSIAN people beat down violently JUST for voicing their opposition to government PEACEFULLY. Ask yourself why 10,000 policeman for 2000 people march? Why so much force on old ladies and unarmed people? WHY IS THE GOVERNMENT SO SCARED OF DISSENT??????ANSWER ME WEBERR.
Not whole of that. Your posts was 1/2 of truth. But shown from dark side each aspect. Listen you and see Russia as barbarians counrty, where is bears walking, vodka drinking and Red Army with Kalashnikovs under command of Putin marching through Red Square. Given enough time Russia is going to be back where it started. If they extend Putin term to 7 years and give ability to run for 3+ terms what will happen then? What happens when they outlaw ALL opposition only government supported parties? Will yo ugo along with it if Putin takes unlimited power like in Venezuela? Why do you allow Russia to be turned into Zimbabwe or Nigeria? YOU CANT STAND THE TRUTH WEBERR.

Yeltsin give to Russians uncontrolable freedom. Many people stood nothing. Many people dies. It was anarchy. Biggest territory without order of life and information. After order of U.S.S.R. it goes people mad. Why do you think 70% of Russians supports Putin?
By the way Putin is final good accord of Yeltsin symphony.
Rest in peace, Boris. Bullshit, the order is just another name for TYRANNY. What happened in the 90's is due to the fact Soviet Union was BANKRUPT. Soviet Union did not have market economy! Soviet Union had WEAK government. THIS is why there was chaos. YOU CANT BUILD A NORMAL COUNTRY FROM RUINS.
By the way Putin not going to dictate. Noway. He just making turn to democracy in slow speed. We feel it, living inside. And this supported by economics upgrade. Not only oil and gas. But many, MANY spectors of technology, business, science... all of our life going to normal state! That's what they want yo uto believe, while they strip the country of all resources and line their pockets. This is what they tell you while they undermine RUSSIA's FUTURE. What technology? What science? Russia's science has turned into dust, even the top scientists say how bad the situation is with Putin.

It is part where I partially agree with you. Stalin was monster. Without Zhukov and Rokosovsky we could failed. But in fact he was general of Red Army, what free Europe. I don't know what reason force Stalin to make any deal with that Devil - Hitler. But that give us almost two years of preparing to Great War. Anyway Stalin was cruel iron dictator. But I sure we will never understand him living in our comfortable countries. He live in period of world wide confrontation. Any case he was greatest figure in WWII events. Knot of many pores.
Nashi... I don't want to talk about that crazy guys. I don't understand them. They is not popular, but after destruction of pioneer movement they just fill void place. Law of life. Stalin is the reason why Russia needs a real reconciliation to heal the wounds of 10's of nationalities which harber bitter feelings through all this time. Stalin is the reason you need a democracy, an open society, a real PLURALITY of voices.
Words.. words.. words.. swap here words Estonia and Russia and you will see opposite point of view. 1/2 of truth too.
Russia will never support natists, but they walking through Estonian streets.
Russia give status of civilian to mostly coming people (if all right with documents), Estonia make 1/3 of population illegal.
I can continue... My oppinion have many arguments about fascism in Estonia. They are not just words they are the TRUTH, Estonia does not censor it's main tv channels nor does the president of the country stop fuel from flowing into it's neighbors.
Really? Everyday? Or only everyday... when crashing memories of our grandfathers... when playing political plays on the bones of fallen soldiers of Red Army... ? Cap of patience was overlimited... Results of mutual misunderstanding. Look at Germany, look France, hundreds of graves all kinds American, allies, germans, Italians, everyone realizes war is war. Russia always lives in state of paranoia, always ENEMIES EVERYWHERE always EVERYONE out to get RUSSIA.
It was PR-reaction of Kremlin supported by WHOLE Russia. After Orange 'Revolution' in Ukraine it was first time, when Russian nation stick together. I think Ansip (prime-minister of Estonia - initiator of this damn play) better not coming to Russia next few years. For example some simple PC-users gathered togherer and crack Estonian sites one by one. It was stupid, but it is borning of our civil community. Great victory of Yeltsin/Putin. How do you know did they have a nationwide referendum? Did they allow anyone to speak out against what the government is saying? did a single senator or duma deputy say one thing against? Everyone just screams ESTONIA NEW NAZI GERMANY OH MY GOD ESTONIA IS DESECRATING OUR DEAD, why? Estonia only move ONE monument, they exhumed all the remains with highest professionalisms, give families the right information everything, while in Russia you saw many graves moved and remains handled like garbage and constantly disrespect history by demolishing BEAUTIFUL buildings in middle of Moscow, St.Pete etc. Only for officials getting rich only for benefit of a few....

[Saqwnht]

Eugenious
I think you making your opinion by reading propaganda materials.

You really gullible my friend if you think Putin has anyone on his team that does not do as he says or approves. The reason you have a 'VERTIKAL' of power is because Putin has concentrated power in the Kremlin. 'Vertical of power' have relation to regional direction.

The Duma, the Fed Council, the Judiciary, the biggest companies (Rosneft, Gazprom etc.) all controlled by the Kremlin. Actually - not. Now "Единая Россия" [United Russia] - strongest political party. UR and Putin support each other and together have influence to any aspect of political life. But their influence in not control.

POWER MORE POWER AND EVEN MORE POWER (and money). You forgot "bua-ha-ha-hah"
Then why Putin have to go?

He might not have been a "good" prime minister whatever you mean by "good" I don't know, but at least he is a man of principles and does not cower to anyone. He is far better then the appartachik known as Fradkov, who is less Prime Minister and more a name and an office. I like Fradkov much more. He is not perfect and making mistakes sometimes, but he is fine prime minister and he making his work well.

This is complete non-sense, first of all the pro democracy demonstrations you did not have a single window broken not a single person arrested for doing anything wrong in Moscow or St.Petersburg. What you had is 10,000 special police from other cities unleashed on the cities own residents. Not a single police man or soldier charged and no one took responsibility although 10's of own RUSSIAN people beat down violently JUST for voicing their opposition to government PEACEFULLY. Ask yourself why 10,000 policeman for 2000 people march? Why so much force on old ladies and unarmed people? WHY IS THE GOVERNMENT SO SCARED OF DISSENT??????ANSWER ME WEBERR. When you start talking about digits, I start crying.
I can answer, why "they scared".
In that marches going НБП (Nationalist-Bolshvist Party) - skinheads - they could start mass destruction in whole territory of Moscow. Nobody knew how many skinheads come to this march, and city government need to ensure order in the streets of Moskow. And, of course, Kasparov use this moment to speak about "scared bloody scary regime".
Answer me: why Kasparov have friendship to nationalist-bolshevils? What reason? Is he support Nationalism? Is he supptort Bolshevism?
Kasparov just a dirty tricker, using any instrument, whatever it is.

Given enough time Russia is going to be back where it started. If they extend Putin term to 7 years and give ability to run for 3+ terms what will happen then? What happens when they outlaw ALL opposition only government supported parties? Will yo ugo along with it if Putin takes unlimited power like in Venezuela? Why do you allow Russia to be turned into Zimbabwe or Nigeria? YOU CANT STAND THE TRUTH WEBERR. I can. I do.
Russia is not Zimbabve or Nigeria.
First reason is highest level of education in Russia. As more educated nation as hard to realize dictatorship.
Second reason is much more freedom in Russia then newspapers talking about. Just look to the face of facts: more and more TV-chanels, Internet sites, Radio channels. What kind of "Zimbabwe" do you see here?
And third, final reason, is Russia going up in any aspect of life. How can it be if we are "Zimbabwe"?
Please, stop talking about Zimbabwe like about example of bad life. There are living people, who proud of their country.

Bullshit, the order is just another name for TYRANNY. What happened in the 90's is due to the fact Soviet Union was BANKRUPT. Soviet Union did not have market economy! Soviet Union had WEAK government. THIS is why there was chaos. YOU CANT BUILD A NORMAL COUNTRY FROM RUINS. We can. We already build foundation. (And continue building first floors.)
Actually your "the order is just another name for TYRANNY" make me think about your mind... Order is order. Tyranny is tyranny. It is independent terms.
S.U. stood "BANKRUPT" in 1980's (thanks to "Perestroika").
Chaos was in 1990's in Yeltsin period.
But main chaos in your head - you entangle it all.

That's what they want yo uto believe, while they strip the country of all resources and line their pockets. This is what they tell you while they undermine RUSSIA's FUTURE. What technology? What science? Russia's science has turned into dust, even the top scientists say how bad the situation is with Putin. I already said about upgrading ANY aspect.
Knowledge of Soviet Science was not lost. Now we reconstruct it all. We inherit powerful system of Soviet education. We have very nice technics and buildings, inherits from fallen S.U. That is past of our parents. We save it in the times of chaos and it give us new future.
Chaos of 90's give new theme to our Art. Cinema and Literature awaking too.
"Any aspect of our life" mean any aspect of our life.

They are not just words they are the TRUTH, Estonia does not censor it's main tv channels nor does the president of the country stop fuel from flowing into it's neighbors. We have mush more freedom TV-channels than Estonia.
What kind of freedom in Estonia with nationalist government?
Why Estonian better for work in Estonia than Russian?
How many Russians you see in Estonian "freedom" TV-channels?
How many Russians you see in government?
Russians in Estonia have less rights than blacks in U.S. in the start of XX century.
But Estonia have status of "democratic country"! What a nonsense?!
Then Hitler was democrat.


How do you know did they have a nationwide referendum? Did they allow anyone to speak out against what the government is saying? did a single senator or duma deputy say one thing against? Everyone just screams ESTONIA NEW NAZI GERMANY OH MY GOD ESTONIA IS DESECRATING OUR DEAD, why? Estonia only move ONE monument, they exhumed all the remains with highest professionalisms, give families the right information everything, while in Russia you saw many graves moved and remains handled like garbage and constantly disrespect history by demolishing BEAUTIFUL buildings in middle of Moscow, St.Pete etc. Only for officials getting rich only for benefit of a few.... Estonia move one monument and strike in the heart of Russian community in Estonia. It's look like to kill president in U.S. These Russans have no representative in government and have not civilian rank. Estonia close access to this monument in 8-9 of May and strike to our veterans - old men and women.
Official reaction of our government was too much soft and our nation start reacting much strong.
Personally I hate nationalism and especially nationalism in Estonia. Estonian government have a result what they go to.

[Emedgella]

Eugenious
I think you making your opinion by reading propaganda materials.

Yes WebErr in your world Propaganda only exists in the west, Putin is peaceful reformer, 2+2=5 and Earth is flat.

'Vertical of power' have relation to regional direction.

Actually - not. Now "Единая Россия" [United Russia] - strongest political party. UR and Putin support each other and together have influence to any aspect of political life. But their influence in not control.
Vertical of power has exactly to do with control, it's direct control of Kremlin over the regions and of all resources in those regions. United Russia was created by the Kremlin to support the Kremlin. Nothing else, they have no ideology, just blind support for the President.
I like Fradkov much more. He is not perfect and making mistakes sometimes, but he is fine prime minister and he making his work well. Name one thing that he did to support your claim that he is a fine prime minister.
When you start talking about digits, I start crying.
I can answer, why "they scared".
In that marches going НБП (Nationalist-Bolshvist Party) - skinheads - they could start mass destruction in whole territory of Moscow. Nobody knew how many skinheads come to this march, and city government need to ensure order in the streets of Moskow. And, of course, Kasparov use this moment to speak about "scared bloody scary regime".
Answer me: why Kasparov have friendship to nationalist-bolshevils? What reason? Is he support Nationalism? Is he supptort Bolshevism?
Kasparov just a dirty tricker, using any instrument, whatever it is. Yeah, you should cry - truth hurts sometimes.
NPB and skinheads are two different things completely. Skinheads are not an organized political group they are just a loose conflagration of criminals who are anti-social in their behavior. NPB is a genuine political group that has a right under freedom of expression to exist, Limonov has publicly spoken out against any kind of physical violence and resisting the authorities. He's a fine writer and a dissenter that like Kasparov wants to resist the authoritarian structure of the government and change Russia for the better.
I can. I do.
Russia is not Zimbabve or Nigeria.
First reason is highest level of education in Russia. As more educated nation as hard to realize dictatorship.
Second reason is much more freedom in Russia then newspapers talking about. Just look to the face of facts: more and more TV-channels, Internet sites, Radio channels. What kind of "Zimbabwe" do you see here?
And third, final reason, is Russia going up in any aspect of life. How can it be if we are "Zimbabwe"?
Please, stop talking about Zimbabwe like about example of bad life. There are living people, who proud of their country. Soviet Union was very well educated yet dictatorship was in place for over 70 years. Now how is it different under Putin? When you are afraid of the press and censor all the tv channels you're a weak minded and authoritarian which Putin is. He is afraid of little demonstrations of any kind of criticism, he is a classic story of a Dictator. The reason I compare Russia to Zimbabwe and Nigeria is because the same things happened there, dictators rolled back democracy and established authoritarianism. Putin is doing this too, how does it feel to live in a corrupt, unfree, society WEBERR?

We can. We already build foundation. (And continue building first floors.)
Actually your "the order is just another name for TYRANNY" make me think about your mind... Order is order. Tyranny is tyranny. It is independent terms.
S.U. stood "BANKRUPT" in 1980's (thanks to "Perestroika").
Chaos was in 1990's in Yeltsin period.
But main chaos in your head - you entangle it all. The order YOU are talking about as in; censorship, economic and political nationalism, control of everything is the definition of TYRANNY. Ever read 1984? WEBERR YOU SHOULD.

and chaos in the 1990's was the result of 1980's,when everything is inefficiently run state supported YOU HAVE CHAOS when the purse strings are tightened.
I already said about upgrading ANY aspect.
Knowledge of Soviet Science was not lost. Now we reconstruct it all. We inherit powerful system of Soviet education. We have very nice technics and buildings, inherits from fallen S.U. That is past of our parents. We save it in the times of chaos and it give us new future.
Chaos of 90's give new theme to our Art. Cinema and Literature awaking too.
"Any aspect of our life" mean any aspect of our life. Nothing is awaking , Russia has no culture now - everything is destroyed just like the beautiful buildings in Moscow and St.Pete everything is crushed . You don't have any technology nor science, Russia lost all it's might in 10 years. Everything is rotten and all efforts to restore it are destroyed by the all purvasive corruption. Look at the army it's a hazing broken collection of misfits and torturers. Look at Bulava failure, look at Kursk submarine, look at weekly reports of consripts being killed. Look at your REALITY WEBERR WAKE UP.
Russia warns of AIDS epidemic, 1.3 mln with HIV

We have mush more freedom TV-channels than Estonia.
What kind of freedom in Estonia with nationalist government?
Why Estonian better for work in Estonia than Russian?
How many Russians you see in Estonian "freedom" TV-channels?
How many Russians you see in government?
Russians in Estonia have less rights than blacks in U.S. in the start of XX century.
But Estonia have status of "democratic country"! What a nonsense?!
Then Hitler was democrat. There you go comparing Estonia which is part of the European Union and fastest growing euro economy to Hitler. Again discrediting yourself in the eyes of all readers. Estonia has a participatory democracy where everything has a voice, if THOSE RUSSIANS HAVE IT SO BAD WHY DON'T THEY DEMONSTRATE BEFORE THIS? WHY NOTHING HEARD ABOUT THEIR PLIGHT? BECAUSE THE RUSSIANS IN ESTONIA LIVE BETTER AND MORE PROSPEROUS THEN IN RUSSIA. MORE MONEY IS MADE IN ESTONIA BY RUSSIANS.


Estonia move one monument and strike in the heart of Russian community in Estonia. It's look like to kill president in U.S. These Russans have no representative in government and have not civilian rank. Estonia close access to this monument in 8-9 of May and strike to our veterans - old men and women.
Official reaction of our government was too much soft and our nation start reacting much strong.
Personally I hate nationalism and especially nationalism in Estonia. Estonian government have a result what they go to. Moving a monuments to your oppressors is like killing president? Was Soviet Union a cult? Can people not think on their own? Can they see objectively or do they just follow whatever Russian TV tells them? Do you see?
Estonia suffered under Soviet Union and you cannot impose Russian history on them, they have the right to move monuments ESTONIA IS NOT RUSSIAN TERRITORY. What would you like WebErr for Russian tanks to go into Estonia? To stop all economic connections with Estonia? Do you know 1/3 of Estonian GDP is by Russians? Do you know Russia only hurts it's own people by treating Estonia badly? What kind of primitive government allows assault on EMBASSY of a COUNTRY ??? NASHI ARE LIKE STARVED ANIMALS UNLEASHED ...Where are they when they moved the monument in Khimky? Huh I THOUGHT SO WEBERR YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE.

Here, READ

• Estonia begins to feel pinch of Russian 'hidden sanctions'
• Massive DDoS attacks target Estonia; Russia accused
• PUTIN’S DOUBLE TRIUMPH NOT YET IN THE BAG
• Тайная жизнь «кремлевского комсомола» (ru)
• Русские в Эстонии (russians in estonia) READ THIS WEBERR RUSSIANS ARE NOT LEAVING ESTONIA BECAUSE LIFE IS BETTER THERE
  

The basic Facts.

• The bronze soldier "was not taken down", "has not been sawed up", and had already been transferred . Remains "have not been profaned", they were exhumed for reburial and identification.
• Blackmail, insults and threats are not normative diplomatic practice. The state leaders are obliged to realize that consequences of similar actions for the country can be catastrophic. The conflict to small Estonia can quite lead to serious problems from EU and NATO.
• The sovereignty assumes non-interference to internal affairs. This concept has been accepted by Kremlin exclusively and unilaterally.
• The Estonian politicians are not "fascists".
• Use of the youth organizations in actions of political vandalism, to put it mildly, immorally.
• According to positions of the Viennese convention of 1961, the state is obliged to provide safety of diplomatic representatives in the territory.

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Yes WebErr in your world Propaganda only exists in the west, Putin is peaceful reformer, 2+2=5 and Earth is flat. 2+2=1 in Z[3], actually...
Earth is not sphere, actually...
Every infromation set contain some level of some propaganda, actually...

You must allow two opponent point of view in your head and be third point.
It is the way to be objective.

Vertical of power has exactly to do with control, it's direct control of Kremlin over the regions and of all resources in those regions. United Russia was created by the Kremlin to support the Kremlin. Nothing else, they have no ideology, just blind support for the President. Vertical of power centrilize control and garantee order in whole Russia, in each Region. It is Federative control in biggest country. But each region have self speciality. In some regions of Russia civilians choose President of region, because our Federation contain several Republics. It is not total control, as you can see, but except many problem inside Russia.

Name one thing that he did to support your claim that he is a fine prime minister. He doing big work every day.

Yeah, you should cry - truth hurts sometimes.
NPB and skinheads are two different things completely. Skinheads are not an organized political group they are just a loose conflagration of criminals who are anti-social in their behavior. NPB is a genuine political group that has a right under freedom of expression to exist, Limonov has publicly spoken out against any kind of physical violence and resisting the authorities. He's a fine writer and a dissenter that like Kasparov wants to resist the authoritarian structure of the government and change Russia for the better. This true digits too much funny.
About НБП/NBP/NPB : they just organized skinheads. Nitionalistic power under control. Extremism of NBP force Moskow administration forbid official existance in the territory of Moskow. Then this "political party" was forbidden in whole territory of Russia. It was opened judicial process.
Nashi looks like NBP, have similar methods, hate each other and both have very bad reputation in Russia. But Nashi is not so nationalist extremists.

Do you read at least ONE book of Limonov?
Very funny strories about crazy man - Limonov himself.
If Kasparov love Limonov, why he do not married him?
Or this is political alliance? Then Kasparov go mad!

Soviet Union was very well educated yet dictatorship was in place for over 70 years. Now how is it different under Putin? When you are afraid of the press and censor all the tv channels you're a weak minded and authoritarian which Putin is. He is afraid of little demonstrations of any kind of criticism, he is a classic story of a Dictator. The reason I compare Russia to Zimbabwe and Nigeria is because the same things happened there, dictators rolled back democracy and established authoritarianism. Putin is doing this too, how does it feel to live in a corrupt, unfree, society WEBERR? Aha... aha... I read funny reports of "Human Rights Watch" too...
I told you, noone can censore EACH channel in WHOLE Russia.
You can say about Putin "he is dictator", Kasparov can talk about it, but people in Russia will be very happy to see new clowns, if not already seen.

The order YOU are talking about as in; censorship, economic and political nationalism, control of everything is the definition of TYRANNY. Ever read 1984? WEBERR YOU SHOULD.

and chaos in the 1990's was the result of 1980's,when everything is inefficiently run state supported YOU HAVE CHAOS when the purse strings are tightened. We don't like tiranny of 1980's and earlier. We like freedom of 1990's and follows.
We like order in each aspect of life in 1960-1980 and partially after 1999. And we don't like anarchy of 1988-1998.
Are you happy? Or explain to you more detailed?

Chaos of 1990's was result of damned 'shock reforms' of both Gorbachev and Yeltsin. They could stood perfect fantasts, but they stood awful presidents. Too hurry and too many mistakes.

Nothing is awaking , Russia has no culture now - everything is destroyed just like the beautiful buildings in Moscow and St.Pete everything is crushed . You don't have any technology nor science, Russia lost all it's might in 10 years. Everything is rotten and all efforts to restore it are destroyed by the all purvasive corruption. Look at the army it's a hazing broken collection of misfits and torturers. Look at Bulava failure, look at Kursk submarine, look at weekly reports of consripts being killed. Look at your REALITY WEBERR WAKE UP.
Russia warns of AIDS epidemic, 1.3 mln with HIV AIDS epidemic? Are you serious?
Russia is not Moskow and St.Piterburg, not only Golden Ring of Russia and not only European part. Russia is Russia.
As mathimatician I can say to you: all right with our science.
As man living here I can say: all right with architecture, art and literature.
As civilian of Russia I can say: chaos going away, life stand calm and safety.
As Russian I can say: I happy to live here.
That's enough to you understand me.

There you go comparing Estonia which is part of the European Union and fastest growing euro economy to Hitler. Again discrediting yourself in the eyes of all readers. Estonia has a participatory democracy where everything has a voice, if THOSE RUSSIANS HAVE IT SO BAD WHY DON'T THEY DEMONSTRATE BEFORE THIS? WHY NOTHING HEARD ABOUT THEIR PLIGHT? BECAUSE THE RUSSIANS IN ESTONIA LIVE BETTER AND MORE PROSPEROUS THEN IN RUSSIA. MORE MONEY IS MADE IN ESTONIA BY RUSSIANS. Next post will be about Estonia.

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AIDS epidemic? Are you serious?
Russia is not Moskow and St.Piterburg, not only Golden Ring of Russia and not only European part. Russia is Russia.

WebErr- Eugenious's link did not quote Putin, but a myriad of links do. Putin said that "the situation is very serious"; called for a "long-term strategy"; and allocated $175 million in AIDS/HIV awareness programs in 2006 alone (2007 is higher, but I do not have the figure.)

This article details the AIDS/HIV problem in Russia: http://en.civilg8.ru/allnews/1445.php

Another thing to consider: AIDS/HIV is often first concentrated in the largest cities of a country, but later spreads to quite remote locations. It might not be Yaroslavl's problem now, but it could be in the future.

Would you be interested in starting a topic on health issues in Russia?

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Now is the time to speak about Estonia...

There you go comparing Estonia which is part of the European Union and fastest growing euro economy to Hitler. Of course. Because Estonian government using nationalistic slogans and speach. They intentionally make to grow up nationalistic movements in Estonia. Russians in Estonia feel theyself as halfpeople. In the paper they have equal rights with native Estonians, but in real they even have not status of civilian. How big part of Russians in Estonia have status of Estonian civilian. By the way, they was born in Estonia, their parents could born in Estonia, but Estonians distributing privileges by national sign.

Estonia has a participatory democracy where everything has a voice On the paper? Or in real?
How can "uncivilian" have a voice in Estonia? Forget it!

if THOSE RUSSIANS HAVE IT SO BAD WHY DON'T THEY DEMONSTRATE BEFORE THIS? Estonian police very hard to attitude to Russians. If their "uncivilian", then he is considered as permanent criminal.
They start demonstrate, and then they was beaten and arrested.

WHY NOTHING HEARD ABOUT THEIR PLIGHT? Ask Ansip about it.

THE RUSSIANS IN ESTONIA LIVE BETTER AND MORE PROSPEROUS THEN IN RUSSIA. Use bigger letters, may be then they will be live better.

MORE MONEY IS MADE IN ESTONIA BY RUSSIANS. Aha, try to go away from Estonia, where you live whole your life.
Actually economics of Russia much more perspective than whole Baltic countries together, and grow faster.
But they was born in U.S.S.R. and build their home there. And now their home stand in the country, where nationalistic anti-Russian movement growing up. More and more.
Demonstrations in Tallinn was as answer of too much long time forbeared people.

The basic Facts.

• The bronze soldier "was not taken down", "has not been sawed up", and had already been transferred . Remains "have not been profaned", they were exhumed for reburial and identification.

And what about speaches of Ansip about meaning of this monument?
He talking about this monument as about sign of occupation!
He talking about Russians digged there as about alcoholics.
Look to the tone of this action and you understand: this is not only movement of monument.

I will return and continue...