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By Robert Burns - The Associated Press
Posted : Tuesday Nov 8, 2011 12:51:56 EST

WASHINGTON — The Air Force mortuary that receives America’s war dead and prepares them for burial lost portions of human remains twice in 2009, prompting the Air Force to discipline three officials for “gross mismanagement,” officials said Tuesday.

A year-long Air Force investigation reviewed 14 sets of allegations of improper handling of war remains as reported by three whistleblower workers at Dover Air Force Base, Del. That is where all war dead are received from foreign battlefields to be formally identified, autopsied and prepared for transfer to their families.

The Air Force inspector general found no violations of law or regulation in any of the 14 cases, but he cited a series of failures ... Read the rest of the story here.

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[9rCR9hWL]

If you think its bad now, imagine what it was like when there were hundreds or thousands of war dead every week, instead of two or three.

[libertiespana]

There was a Marine in Nawa that stepped on an IED. They only found bits of his flak jacket.

The point is not everything in war is cut and dry. It's war. It sucks.

[Peretool]

There was a Marine in Nawa that stepped on an IED. They only found bits of his flak jacket.

The point is not everything in war is cut and dry. It's war. It sucks.

It's not about war - it's about this mortuary mishandled the remains of the dead. Mishandled to me means they lost something, misplaced something, mixed something up. Like the issues at Arlington...lots of remains were "mishandled." It has nothing to do with what happens in war - it's the disrespect to the fallen.

[Assunkkensatt]

If you think its bad now, imagine what it was like when there were hundreds or thousands of war dead every week, instead of two or three.

It happened in 2009...things were starting to calm but I guarantee there was more than "one or two a week." And it doesn't matter how many a week, a day, etc. All the fallen should be treated with respect. That's their job - not to "mishandle" parts of remains.

No I'm not a mortician so I don't know what it's like. But having been at war this long they should know how to properly handle remains.

And there are more than "one or two a week" in regards to casualties. Example: October 13 five US servicemembers died - four were killed by hostile actions. That's just one day.

[economex]

It's not about war - it's about this mortuary mishandled the remains of the dead. Mishandled to me means they lost something, misplaced something, mixed something up. Like the issues at Arlington...lots of remains were "mishandled." It has nothing to do with what happens in war - it's the disrespect to the fallen.

While is it disrespectful its not to the fallen. The fallen are dead and dont care one way or the other. However (and more importantly) the survivors are the ones that it is disrespectful to. The remains should still be respected and these sorts of mess-ups should not occur. Maybe its just me but one would think there are steps in place so this sort of thing doesnt happen.

[mygalinasoo]

It's not about war - it's about this mortuary mishandled the remains of the dead. Mishandled to me means they lost something, misplaced something, mixed something up. Like the issues at Arlington...lots of remains were "mishandled." It has nothing to do with what happens in war - it's the disrespect to the fallen.

It has nothing to do with what happens in war - it's the disrespect to the fallen.

nothing to do with what happens in war - disrespect to the fallen.

nothing to do with war - it's the fallen.

war - fallen


I'll let you work that one out on your own.

[FLOMOUSLY]

It has nothing to do with what happens in war - it's the disrespect to the fallen.

nothing to do with what happens in war - disrespect to the fallen.

nothing to do with war - it's the fallen.

war - fallen


I'll let you work that one out on your own.

That's not what you said. You said the following: There was a Marine in Nawa that stepped on an IED. They only found bits of his flak jacket.

The point is not everything in war is cut and dry. It's war. It sucks.

I replied as to what does that statement have to do with the mishandling of remains when they got to that mortuary. By that point it has nothing to do with the realities of war.

You stating it's the disrespect to the fallen is not what you said in the statement I replied to.

[Zs3ZASpA]

While is it disrespectful its not to the fallen. The fallen are dead and dont care one way or the other. However (and more importantly) the survivors are the ones that it is disrespectful to. The remains should still be respected and these sorts of mess-ups should not occur. Maybe its just me but one would think there are steps in place so this sort of thing doesnt happen.

No it's still disrespectful to them and their memory. Yes they can't object because they are dead but that doesn't make it right.

Yeah people thought there were steps in place at Arlington and come to find out there weren't.

[NvrNoNowX]

That's not what you said. You said the following: There was a Marine in Nawa that stepped on an IED. They only found bits of his flak jacket.

The point is not everything in war is cut and dry. It's war. It sucks.

I replied as to what does that statement have to do with the mishandling of remains when they got to that mortuary. By that point it has nothing to do with the realities of war.

You stating it's the disrespect to the fallen is not what you said in the statement I replied to.

Shit gets mishandled in war. They don't put the all-stars in charge of the morgue.

This has everything to do with the decade of war.

I was stating how dumb your sentence was. That the fallen have nothing to do with war.

[Rtebydou]

Shit gets mishandled in war. They don't put the all-stars in charge of the morgue.

This has everything to do with the decade of war.

I was stating how dumb your sentence was. That the fallen have nothing to do with war.

OMG you are an idiot. THAT is not what I said. I said that by the time it had gotten to the morgue - which is WHERE the mishandling happened - that what happened in war had nothing to do with the MORGUE personnel mishandling it.

[radicalvolume]

OMG you are an idiot. THAT is not what I said. I said that by the time it had gotten to the morgue - which is WHERE the mishandling happened - that what happened in war had nothing to do with the MORGUE personnel mishandling it.

Hey pal. No need for name calling.

Maybe you should be more clear with your statements.

[enlinnyGoob]

Hey pal. No need for name calling.

Maybe you should be more clear with your statements.

Then don't call my writing "dumb." Or learn something called reading comprehension.

And I'm not your "pal."

[bWxNFI3c]

No it's still disrespectful to them and their memory. Yes they can't object because they are dead but that doesn't make it right.

Yeah people thought there were steps in place at Arlington and come to find out there weren't.

You mean its still disrespectful to the memory of them by those that are still alive. When someone is dead they have no memories, no brain function. If there isn't anyone there to feel disrespected then it can not happen. The people that feel disrespected are still alive. Graveyards, funerals etc are not for the dead but for the living, the survivors. I still believe it is disrespectful but then again I am still alive and can feel that way. Its your memory of the dead that is disrespected by it. I am not saying this is a bad thing and that gives someone the right to ruin that, what happened is still wrong.

[vqIo7X2U]

OMG you are an idiot. THAT is not what I said. I said that by the time it had gotten to the morgue - which is WHERE the mishandling happened - that what happened in war had nothing to do with the MORGUE personnel mishandling it.

Wow you used "OMG". We should have never allowed women to leave the kitchen because now it has come to this...

OMG I WAS TOTALLY LIKE ROTFL WITH MY 10 INCH STILETTOS ON. OH I WAS TOTALLY JKING THEY WERE ONLY LIKE 5 INCHES. OMG I AM SO AWESOME!

[Virosponna]

Wow you used "OMG". We should have never allowed women to leave the kitchen because now it has come to this...

OMG I WAS TOTALLY LIKE ROTFL WITH MY 10 INCH STILETTOS ON. OH I WAS TOTALLY JKING THEY WERE ONLY LIKE 5 INCHES. OMG I AM SO AWESOME!

Would it make you feel better if I had typed out "Oh my god"? I mean lots of people use OMG not just females. I don't wear stilletos or any heels but nice stereotype.

Did you have anything useful to contribute to this thread or just felt like being a moron? The latter...okay. That's what I thought.

Oh and I was never "in the kitchen" so no one "let me out." Maybe someone should put you back in your cage...

[interznakinfo]

Wow you used "OMG". We should have never allowed women to leave the kitchen because now it has come to this...

OMG I WAS TOTALLY LIKE ROTFL WITH MY 10 INCH STILETTOS ON. OH I WAS TOTALLY JKING THEY WERE ONLY LIKE 5 INCHES. OMG I AM SO AWESOME!

[acceraStoof]

By Robert Burns - The Associated Press
Posted : Tuesday Nov 8, 2011 12:51:56 EST

WASHINGTON — The Air Force mortuary that receives America’s war dead and prepares them for burial lost portions of human remains twice in 2009, prompting the Air Force to discipline three officials for “gross mismanagement,” officials said Tuesday.

A year-long Air Force investigation reviewed 14 sets of allegations of improper handling of war remains as reported by three whistleblower workers at Dover Air Force Base, Del. That is where all war dead are received from foreign battlefields to be formally identified, autopsied and prepared for transfer to their families.

The Air Force inspector general found no violations of law or regulation in any of the 14 cases, but he cited a series of failures ... Read the rest of the story here.

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With all the thousands of steps, actions, procedures and policies that have to be followed in the processing of human remains at Dover, I find it totally believable that errors happen.

It's unfortunate, it may be hurtful in the eyes of the families, but I don't think any intentionally disrespectful acts were perpetrated by mortuary affairs personnel at Dover.

Unfortunate mistakes and other misguided acts that may occur in such an environment are regrettable none-the-less but hardly 100% due to malice or intentional malfeasance.

I have great respect for the mission of Dover Mortuary Affairs and those that attend to our fallen. I commend their 99% accomplishment of that mission and understand that all activities are subject to some human error, albeit in this case, errors that seem at first emotional blush, unforgivable or even disrespectful.

[ingeneensueva]

With all the thousands of steps, actions, procedures and policies that have to be followed in the processing of human remains at Dover, I find it totally believable that errors happen.

It's unfortunate, it may be hurtful in the eyes of the families, but I don't think any intentionally disrespectful acts were perpetrated by mortuary affairs personnel at Dover.

Unfortunate mistakes and other misguided acts that may occur in such an environment are regrettable none-the-less but hardly 100% due to malice or intentional malfeasance.

I have great respect for the mission of Dover Mortuary Affairs and those that attend to our fallen. I commend their 99% accomplishment of that mission and understand that all activities are subject to some human error, albeit in this case, errors that seem at first emotional blush, unforgivable or even disrespectful.

I think the main issue, from reading the article, is that it seemed like someone tried to cover it up. Maybe I read that wrong or just trying to remember what I read yesterday but I think that's where they are stating the negligence part.

[DoctorTOneery]

reading comprehension."

I don't understand.......

Calm down buddy.