[zooworms]

The only example of this that I can think of is if taking the job in question pays less than what they get on unemployment. I wouldn't expect anyone to do this, as unemployment is already less than what they were making on the job that they were laid off from in the first place.

When I separated from the military, it took me six months to find permanent work. I could have taken job that paid less than my unemployment well before that, but it doesn't make any sense. There are people with less qualifications and skills who need those jobs far more than I do.



That's not the point. The point is that people in the military see what the job market looks like on the outside, and they react to it by making whatever career decision that they make.

It will matter for those that just reenlisted if they're one of the people to get a notice from their service that says "Thanks for participating but..."

I just did a quick search on monster.com in NY for jobs and just to choose I picked administrative/clerical duties. 92 jobs in Albany alone came up. Then I chose something else. Food Services/Hospitality in that area - 39 jobs listed.

My point is that there are actually jobs out there for people to make a living off but for SOME Americans they feel it is "beneath" them. There are some people legitimately on unemployment and not just milking the system. If I got out and I had to work at a fast food place or waitress again until I got the job I wanted, I'd do it.

It does take time to find a job especially if you have qualifications for a certain job but there are some people who are just waaay too picky about jobs and don't take what they can until a better job

[Pharmadryg]

Here’s the other thing you have to look at: overqualification.

For example, I finished my bachelor's degree (in a field related to what I did in the Navy) and started on my master's before I got out.

While I was collecting unemployment, the amount I was getting was about the same as someone who grosses $9.30 an hour. I actually applied for a job in my field (albeit, on a lower level of responsibility and authority that I had attained as a First Class Petty Officer) that paid $11 an hour. I was told flat out within three minutes of the interview starting that I was overqualified.

Luckily, a week later, I interviewed for the job that I have now - I'm a federal civilian.

Bottom line, however, is that "humbling yourself" to take a job that you might have felt to be "beneath you" at one point is far easier said than done.

[StizePypemype]

Here’s the other thing you have to look at: overqualification.

For example, I finished my bachelor's degree (in a field related to what I did in the Navy) and started on my master's before I got out.

While I was collecting unemployment, the amount I was getting was about the same as someone who grosses $9.30 an hour. I actually applied for a job in my field (albeit, on a lower level of responsibility and authority that I had attained as a First Class Petty Officer) that paid $11 an hour. I was told flat out within three minutes of the interview starting that I was overqualified.

Luckily, a week later, I interviewed for the job that I have now - I'm a federal civilian.

Bottom line, however, is that "humbling yourself" to take a job that you might have felt to be "beneath you" at one point is far easier said than done.

Sometimes true, but when a person that's "overqualified" it helps to be open and honest and say they're looking for something temporary for the interim. They may say they were looking for a more permanent fill, or they may be okay with a temporary fill. Mileage may vary.

A vastly underutilized and underappreciated capability these days is social networking. Linkedin will get person hired, Facebook will get them fired. Knowing how to leverage the capability to one's advantage can work far more quickly than a cursory search trying to play match my KSA's with the newspaper add. It's not what ya know, it's who.

[mQb0aVZe]

They are working now, to clean up their mess...for no pay...that sounds like slavery. They are really committed to becoming slaves aren't they?

[Karensmith]

They are working now, to clean up their mess...for no pay...that sounds like slavery. They are really committed to becoming slaves aren't they?

I'd call it more "volunteerism" myself and a willingness to try to realize part of the results of their protests may be "burdensome" towards their hosts. The motives for these protests are many things, I rank the term "Envy" high on that list, but there's also an element of anti-corporatism, the first is a problem, the second isn't such a bad thing.

[Frdsdx26]

I'm curious as to what's funding this movement, hard to analyze to the gnat's ass detail but I think we can safely say that this whole thing can't be happening for free. Anyone else have any thoughts?

Well, the speculation and signature of this type of protest that has happened before says George Soros. There are many of his foundations supporting it.

Funny thing is some liberals that claim this is like the TEA party, but yet there was never a protest that lasted 4 weeks with catered food of salmon and other buffets behind it. Nor did any of the TEA partiers get paid for protesting as there have been reports of OWS people being paid.

Here is the Ruiters link.

I agree. This is starting to sound more and more like another Tea Party.

Honestly - let's think about this:

-They're angry.
-Don't have any particular direction or goals
-Lots of publicity
-Oppose the bailout to the banks

This is EXACTLY how the Tea Party started out. Now the Tea Party is pro-bank, and whores itself to the Corporations. Useful idiots. The more I look at this Wall Street protest, the more I think this will turn out the same way.

As to counter ignorant Joes assertion that the TEA party was ever disorganized with no direction, it has always been about getting control of the out of control government spending outside the constitution while driving up the debt at the expense of putting our grandkids in debt before they are even born. The goals of the TEA party was clear, they were disgruntled, they had publicity because is bucked the system and was being called violent and racist (that it never was), and opposed the bailouts blaming them on over inflated government, not calling for a suspension of the constitution as these people and their supporters have done.

Actually, OWS is upset that those bailouts went to fund bonuses of millionares and CEOs. The TEA party was against the bailouts all together.

[KaterinaNJq]

Sometimes true, but when a person that's "overqualified" it helps to be open and honest and say they're looking for something temporary for the interim. They may say they were looking for a more permanent fill, or they may be okay with a temporary fill. Mileage may vary.

A vastly underutilized and underappreciated capability these days is social networking. Linkedin will get person hired, Facebook will get them fired. Knowing how to leverage the capability to one's advantage can work far more quickly than a cursory search trying to play match my KSA's with the newspaper add. It's not what ya know, it's who.

I have a LinkedIn account. I actually set it up a year before I got out.

The problem with LinkedIn is that it only works if you have prior skilled civilian experience, and/or you actually have a lot of friends who are in currently in skilled civilian occupations. If you joined the military right out of high school, and all you associate with are you military buddies (like I did, and I'm positive that I'm not the only one), LinkedIn isn't going to do you much good.

[opergolon]

The demographics of the beast are interesting - from what I'm seeing on the news, they're mostly white hippie types. A bit odd, I would've thought a movement like this would get more of a turnout from the Hispanic or Black populations. Guess not.

That means this protest is just because of a black man in the white house huh? There was none of this protesting going on when Bush was in office. There was no OWS movement before Obama was president. Where are the calls of racism? Is it because Al Sharpton went out searching for the few blacks and found one or two in the crowd (haven't seen any of them leading yet) does it mean it is "diverse"?

[Teprophopay]

I have a LinkedIn account. I actually set it up a year before I got out.

The problem with LinkedIn is that it only works if you have prior skilled civilian experience, and/or you actually have a lot of friends who are in currently in skilled civilian occupations. If you joined the military right out of high school, and all you associate with are you military buddies (like I did, and I'm positive that I'm not the only one), LinkedIn isn't going to do you much good.

It's an example, and a good one if it's fully utilized, but in a way you're right as inside the military it's not as fully utilized as it could be. So far I have managed to contact and link to about half a dozen individuals from my two previous commands, which had over a couple hundred individuals a piece and about double that number encountered due to turnover. Here at a staff command I lucked out a bit, having a healthy combination of GS and contractor employees as well as some senior level officers in various fields to broaden my network with. It's one of those things a person just has to doggedly pursue until it mushrooms. I'd say though if a person doesn't have their profile at least 85% complete they are missing out on quite a bit of its capability. Another thing, keep checking, I keep finding old shipmates and other people pop up in there all the time, as people seem to be discovering this capability every second.

[DoniandaCoado]

Any large demonstration is going to leave litter. "Fetid sewer" is a bit of an exaggeration - to be honest I'd suggest that you yourself don't seem to like their ideology too much.

Not true. That might happen with lefty protests of destruction, but the TEA party has left their protests and gatherings cleaner than what it was went they got there.
Here you go.

Another one with video. Obama's stimulus seems to be their main objection.... not unlike the Tea Part in its early stages. You mean the TEA parties opposition to the Bush TARP? Yeah, keep trying with your rewrite of history.

AIDS isn't contagious in the normal sense , so you don't have "outbreaks". At these "free love" things you do. /sarcasm.

[Speareerfug]

I doubt that most people on public assistance really even care about the government enough to get involved in political activism. As long as they're getting those government benefits, why would they want to rock the boat?

Same thing goes for those who would abuse umemployment compensation.

That's why I believe that this is genuine. That there are no jobs isn't made up. Retention in the military is at an all time high, because those who otherwise would get out are reenlisting.

There is the report about the starters of the movement being privelaged rich kids that have a guilt trip because of something their professor in college told them their parents used the poor to get rich. But hey, that is what our universities are there for, to create drones of the liberal clone tanks.

Incase you need the link.

[wllsqyuipknczx]

LOL, "huge wad of cash"



Everybody knows only the "top 1 percent" has a twenty in their pocket.

How does WJ5 know all of the other bills that he can't see are also twenties, and not 10s, 5s, or 1s? Maybe there's an invisible dragon in the guy's pocket too. A Communist dragon.

[Andrew1978]

LOL, "huge wad of cash"



Everybody knows only the "top 1 percent" has a twenty in their pocket.

How does WJ5 know all of the other bills that he can't see are also twenties, and not 10s, 5s, or 1s? Maybe there's an invisible dragon in the guy's pocket too. A Communist dragon.

Well, WJ5's assertions aside, that does appear to be a healthy wad of cash.

[spravka.ua]

So that makes him the son of a billionaire?

You're right - it is a nice little wad... maybe he pays in cash, as opposed to debit or credit. That actually looks about the size of the wad I generally carry around.

[Frodogzzz]

Well, WJ5's assertions aside, that does appear to be a healthy wad of cash.

Its from his drug sales . But seriously, these kids are running around with iPads, iPhones, Macs, and don't need to work to get food. Ummmm, yeah, I know math is tough for you Joe, but do some reading between the lines if you will like a good little lib.

[valentinesdayyy]

So that makes him the son of a billionaire?

You're right - it is a nice little wad... maybe he pays in cash, as opposed to debit or credit. That actually looks about the size of the wad I generally carry around.

Yeah, maybe he is bank of america member and doesn't want to be charged $5 for using his debt card. Please make more excuses for the ones that are pointed out to have money and keep spewing the propoganda of the TEA party being "astroturfed".

[Flankrene]

Yeah, maybe he is bank of america member and doesn't want to be charged $5 for using his debt card. Please make more excuses for the ones that are pointed out to have money and keep spewing the propoganda of the TEA party being "astroturfed".

Maybe he's planning to spend a month at the protest and figured he might need some money?

[Enladalusange]

There is the report about the starters of the movement being privelaged rich kids that have a guilt trip because of something their professor in college told them their parents used the poor to get rich. But hey, that is what our universities are there for, to create drones of the liberal clone tanks.

Incase you need the link.

I heard some white people marched with MLKJ, too.

Obviously guilted into it by liberal professors.

[feqlmwtuqx]

The demographics of the beast are interesting - from what I'm seeing on the news, they're mostly white hippie types. A bit odd, I would've thought a movement like this would get more of a turnout from the Hispanic or Black populations. Guess not.

I notice more than a few seem to come from a collegiate setting, still not certain whether that's a good sign!

[artenotreah]

A vastly underutilized and underappreciated capability these days is social networking. Linkedin will get person hired, Facebook will get them fired. Knowing how to leverage the capability to one's advantage can work far more quickly than a cursory search trying to play match my KSA's with the newspaper add. It's not what ya know, it's who.

Very true.

Facebook will also get you hired, BTW.

If you need a job, you should friend as many colleagues as you can.