[foltdan]

Really doesn't matter to me. What I find more concerning is the fact that we have a political party that sees no problem with a foreign nation killing unarmed Americans in international waters.

You mean those "unarmed" civilians that were attacking people with guns, stabing them, and trying to take their guns to become "armed"? Sure, the political party that defends those that are protecting themselves. And don't try to say they were facing tanks on the water either, they were repelling law enforcement personel stopping a boat that broke the law.

Congratulations, you have no idea how quotation marks work. Congratulations, you dodged the fact that I showed you to be a complete liar.

[Savviioor]

No, I was stating the premis to the question, but thanks for the info, I really didn't know anything about naming of boats and wanted some clarification.


Right, guess we can write off the aid Isreal gives Gaza as just slum building materials.

Because cutting off food, clean water, medical supplies, and jobs is "aid".

Below is a picture of the luxurious Gaza Grand Palace hotel:


I bet I know what the response is to the article. A hotel that probably more than paid for itself with all the Western tourists/journalists/etc. coming through the area.

I suppose you also hate the Native Americans because they build profitable casinos too.

[eskimosik]

Joe, we may give Israel tons of cash $$$, but at least it's accounted for. I'm super-ultra-double-deluxed PISSED that $6 TRILLION of our tax money went to re-build Iraq, only it's completely unaccounted for currently, and Iraq is still looking like it did back in the Stone Age. That is the bigger travesty in my opinion.

[P3bWjm1j]

And let's not forget the LAST flotilla, which got stormed by Israeli soldiers and was turned into a bloodbath.

....after the peace loving, Hamas-hugging hippies attacked the soldiers with bats and steel bars.

[icedrakona]

Israel also has the only American funded/armed military, not to mention the 80 nukes.

Oh, and the fact that the US military would swoop in and bail their sorry asses out if they bit off more than they could chew.

Yes, cause protecting themselves is "more than they can chew"? See, you try to say the itty bitty country is the agressor, but there is absolutly no truth to that at all. They protect their civilians.

[tattcasetle]

Because cutting off food, clean water, medical supplies, and jobs is "aid".

Right, cause the proof of them giving aide and cutting it off when they are attacked is so horrible. How dare they punish people who attack them, Heaven forbid.

A hotel that probably more than paid for itself with all the Western tourists/journalists/etc. coming through the area. And was paid to be built by whom? Guess you hate the hotel, they are making a profit off the down troden refugees of the Gaza strip.

I suppose you also hate the Native Americans because they build profitable casinos too. Are they launching missiles on the nation helping them out?

[expomeHattePe]

You mean those "unarmed" civilians that were attacking people with guns, stabing them, and trying to take their guns to become "armed"? Sure, the political party that defends those that are protecting themselves.

Is "guns" and "stabing" Newspeak for "pipes" and "chairs"?

What fantasy world is this from? Is it the same one with dinosaurs and miracles?

And don't try to say they were facing tanks on the water either, Gunboats and helicopters.

they were repelling law enforcement personel stopping a boat that broke the law. I love how you invoke "the law" whenever it comes to a regime you like.

Then I assume you supported Saddam gassing Kurds who broke the law too.

Congratulations, you dodged the fact that I showed you to be a complete liar. I can't believe I actually need to explain this to you, but then again I had to explain to you that cutting off a person's arm doesn't make his children be born with one arm.

"" = quote.

So "shut their mouths" is a quote.

Murder... not a quote.

"Murder", is a quote.

Comprende?

[caseferter]

The IDF may be "American funded" but we will never have to bail them out. They've done more in regards to training and equipment with that small amount of cash than our own DoD is capable of. More power to them. The Middle East needs a "Tony Montana" of sorts that isn't willing to take any shit from anyone. We used to be like that too, before we got all pussified and butt-hurt over every little thing.

[johnbeller]

Joe, we may give Israel tons of cash $$$, but at least it's accounted for. I'm super-ultra-double-deluxed PISSED that $6 TRILLION of our tax money went to re-build Iraq, only it's completely unaccounted for currently, and Iraq is still looking like it did back in the Stone Age. That is the bigger travesty in my opinion.

Ahh, if only it looked like it did before the invasion...

[RIjdrVs3]

Is "guns" and "stabing" Newspeak for "pipes" and "chairs"?

"Guns", no, that was poor grammar, but the Israelis did get stabbed while the "peace lovers" where trying to get the soldiers guns.

Gunboats and helicopters. So the gun boats and helicopters were on the deck of the flotila?

I love how you invoke "the law" whenever it comes to a regime you like.

Then I assume you supported Saddam gassing Kurds who broke the law too. Lets see, flotila being told to turn around. They refuse so the IDF forcefully boards their ship. The IDF are attacked by "peaceful" people, and the offenders of the attack were killed reaching for the IDF's guns.

Kurds have a civil unrest, and Saddam gasses the entire city, women and children and all.

Sure, your examples are about equal...as equal as an apple and an orange.

I can't believe I actually need to explain this to you, but then again I had to explain to you that cutting off a person's arm doesn't make his children be born with one arm.

"" = quote.

So "shut their mouths" is a quote.

Murder... not a quote.

"Murder", is a quote.

Comprende? I can't believe you think I really care about quotation marks when it was YOU that added in the word "murder" trying to smear a political group you don't like. You completely tried to misrepresent them.

[hiedeemom]

Ahh, if only it looked like it did before the invasion...

Tell the terrorist to stop blowing up the buildings the US is putting up and maybe it would.

[CHEAPSOFTOEMONLINE]

Right, cause the proof of them giving aide and cutting it off when they are attacked is so horrible. How dare they punish people who attack them, Heaven forbid.

Indeed. Giving water and medicine to children is a horrible idea.
And was paid to be built by whom? Guess you hate the hotel, they are making a profit off the down troden refugees of the Gaza strip. You believe the refugees live in the hotel? Are you retarded?

Are they launching missiles on the nation helping them out? “The Palestinians' transition from terrorism and suicide bombings to deliberately unarmed mass demonstrations is a transition that will present us with difficult challenges" - Ehud Barak, Israeli Defense Minister

[VEGLAS - SPB]

"Guns", no, that was poor grammar,

OH LORD, YOU'RE HILARIOUS!!!!!

When I call the killings of unarmed people murder, you throw a fit. Then when you claim these unarmed people had guns, and I call you out on your bullshit, you claim it was "poor grammar" (see? there's those darn quotation marks again!)

TOO FUNNY!

but the Israelis did get stabbed while the "peace lovers" where trying to get the soldiers guns. God forbid people fight back when they get overrun by heavily armed shock troops.

So the gun boats and helicopters were on the deck of the flotila? I don't think a boat and a helicopter would be particularly useful sitting on a dry deck.

Lets see, flotila being told to turn around. They refuse so the IDF forcefully boards their ship. The IDF are attacked by "peaceful" people, and the offenders of the attack were killed reaching for the IDF's guns. It's only okay for the Israelis to defend themselves.

Kurds have a civil unrest, and Saddam gasses the entire city, women and children and all. Good. They were evil terrorists who broke the law.

Sure, your examples are about equal...as equal as an apple and an orange. So let me get this straight - I ask you about Saddam, you say it was bad for him to kill those people because it was only "civil unrest".

I asked you earlier if it was okay for Israelis to open fire on unarmed crowds. You said yes, because they were causing "civil unrest".

So either civil unrest justifies violence, or it doesn't. You can't have it both ways.

I can't believe you think I really care about quotation marks when it was YOU that added in the word "murder" trying to smear a political group you don't like. You completely tried to misrepresent them. Educating you about basic rules of the English language. Horrible.

[Prosocorneliay]

Tell the terrorist to stop blowing up the buildings the US is putting up and maybe it would.

The American people were sold a bill of goods...greeted as liberators...the war will pay for itself...possible links between al Qaeda and Saddam...

The terrorists are undermining the whole country. The Iraqi people are the victims. The situation was started by us. No one asked us to go there.

[mpxricyNimb]

“The Palestinians' transition from terrorism and suicide bombings to deliberately unarmed mass demonstrations is a transition that will present us with difficult challenges" - Ehud Barak, Israeli Defense Minister

He is right, now instead of the Palestinians killing themselves, they are going with a new tactic, suicide by cop.

[Corporal White]

OH LORD, YOU'RE HILARIOUS!!!!!

When I call the killings of unarmed people murder, you throw a fit. Then when you claim these unarmed people had guns, and I call you out on your bullshit, you claim it was "poor grammar" (see? there's those darn quotation marks again!)

TOO FUNNY!

It was poor grammar on my part, I said they where unarmed people on the boat, attacking the IDF (who had guns). You see how I made the implication the IDF had guns, NOT the people on the boat.

God forbid people fight back when they get overrun by heavily armed shock troops. God forbid they actually NOT attack the IDF boarding their boat for a search for weapons. Guess what would have saved the lives of those that died, NOT attacking first. Boarding a boat, searching a car, is not an act of agression.

I don't think a boat and a helicopter would be particularly useful sitting on a dry deck. And the attackers didn't go after the boats, they went after the IDF troops who were on the boat.

It's only okay for the Israelis to defend themselves. And you think the people on the flotila were "protecting" themselves? The people on the flotilla knew they were breaking the law, so instead of compling with the orders to halt and be searched, they attacked the IDF.

Good. They were evil terrorists who broke the law. The women and children were? The ones that were in that town the entire time were breaking the law?

So let me get this straight - I ask you about Saddam, you say it was bad for him to kill those people because it was only "civil unrest". Responded by killing people with WMDs that weren't at the civil unrest.

I asked you earlier if it was okay for Israelis to open fire on unarmed crowds. You said yes, because they were causing "civil unrest". Using conventional weapons to fire upon those threatening their lives and only killing the people in the protest.

So either civil unrest justifies violence, or it doesn't. You can't have it both ways. Massive differences in the form of responses.

Educating you about basic rules of the English language. Horrible. You still don't get that you are lying to try to smear someone. You are dodging the actual conversation to try to throw a red herring and distract people that you are disengenous.

[bikersfan]

The American people were sold a bill of goods...greeted as liberators...the war will pay for itself...possible links between al Qaeda and Saddam...

The terrorists are undermining the whole country. The Iraqi people are the victims. The situation was started by us. No one asked us to go there.

So you are excusing the terrorist for their continued destruction of the country and killing of civilian lives by saying it is our fault for trying to rebuild what we destroyed.

[PyncGyncliacy]

He is right, now instead of the Palestinians killing themselves, they are going with a new tactic, suicide by cop.

You don't know what suicide by cop means.

[bomondus]

It was poor grammar on my part, I said they where unarmed people on the boat, attacking the IDF (who had guns). You see how I made the implication the IDF had guns, NOT the people on the boat.

Ok, NOW I see. Thank you.

God forbid they actually NOT attack the IDF boarding their boat for a search for weapons. Guess what would have saved the lives of those that died, NOT attacking first. Boarding a boat, searching a car, is not an act of agression. Because everybody loves soldiers storming your quarters shoving guns in everyone's faces, and seizing control of the ship.

I take it "international waters" means nothing to you?
And the attackers didn't go after the boats, they went after the IDF troops who were on the boat. And how do you propose unarmed humanitarian workers fight a gunship, or an armed naval vessel? Throw deck chairs at it?

And you think the people on the flotila were "protecting" themselves? The people on the flotilla knew they were breaking the law, so instead of compling with the orders to halt and be searched, they attacked the IDF. What is your definition of "the law"? If you mean international law - it was the Israelis breaking it.

If you mean Israeli law, then it is irrelevant. Israeli law doesn't mean jackshit. Anymore than Hitler's laws, or Saddam Hussein's laws.

The women and children were? The ones that were in that town the entire time were breaking the law? Yup. Saddam wrote the laws. And his laws said they were bad. So killing them was okay.

Responded by killing people with WMDs that weren't at the civil unrest. So killing a pregnant woman who wasn't throwing rocks is okay - but gassing a person who wasn't directly involved in the rebellion is bad?

Earlier, you claimed all sins are equal. So by your argument, the Israelis and Saddam are both equally guilty.

Using conventional weapons to fire upon those threatening their lives and only killing the people in the protest. Saddam only killed the people in the rebellious city.

Massive differences in the form of responses. Massive differences in the form of the threats.

You still don't get that you are lying to try to smear someone. You are dodging the actual conversation to try to throw a red herring and distract people that you are disengenous. So you deny that the Tea Party thinks the murder of American citizens in the flotilla is okay?

[astefecyAvevy]

Because everybody loves soldiers storming your quarters shoving guns in everyone's faces, and seizing control of the ship.

I take it "international waters" means nothing to you?

Did we have a right to blockaide Cuba when we suspected weapons being smuggled in by USSR? It doesn't matter, when you are breaking the law and there is credible evidence that you may have weapons on board, you open yourself to search.

And how do you propose unarmed humanitarian workers fight a gunship, or an armed naval vessel? Throw deck chairs at it? By running the blockaide or by ramming them with a boat they were on. The attack on the USS Cole wasn't from a big navy gunship.

What is your definition of "the law"? If you mean international law - it was the Israelis breaking it. Right, cause protecting their country from people smuggling in weapons meant to be used against them is breaking the law. Sure.

If you mean Israeli law, then it is irrelevant. Israeli law doesn't mean jackshit. Anymore than Hitler's laws, or Saddam Hussein's laws. Sure, protecting their citizens WITHOUT blindly killing others is the same as Hitler and Saddam.

Yup. Saddam wrote the laws. And his laws said they were bad. So killing them was okay. Saddam killed people not involved in the revolt.

So killing a pregnant woman who wasn't throwing rocks is okay - but gassing a person who wasn't directly involved in the rebellion is bad? They were still involved in the riots.

Earlier, you claimed all sins are equal. So by your argument, the Israelis and Saddam are both equally guilty. Saddam killed in cold blood, Isrealis killed in self-defense.

Saddam only killed the people in the rebellious city. Even people that wanted nothing to do with the rebellion.

Massive differences in the form of the threats. Still, your precious international laws still apply, WMDs are illegal to use.

So you deny that the Tea Party thinks the murder of American citizens in the flotilla is okay? Yep, cause there wasn't a single person murdered on the flotilla.