[Konservir]

Hehe

Oh I forgot, Apollo was also a famously bi-sexual pagan deity, it's a two-fer (pun intended)!

[Konservir]

Africa Joins the Space Race | SpaceRef - Your Space Reference

Just saying.

(P.S. I know they've got some catchin up to do).

Yeah, getting colonized/slave-traded/etc. for a couple hundred years sure can screw with a continent's ability to compete technologically.

Er....I mean, it's obviously because European Jebus is better (my bad Viburnum).

[PRengin]

Makes me think of the Mexican Space program on South Park when they dump Willzyk on the moon.

[Unrersvar]

OTOH, Robert Oppenheimer, the father of the atomic bomb, famously quoted from the Hindu holy text of Bhagvad Gita when first witnessing the power of the bomb,...

So, wait, Oppenheimer, and Einstein were from India?

No?

From Europe?

Do you understand that an individual's religion has very little bearing on the Culture, but the religion of a majority of the people, over time, has massive influence on the society?

[Unrersvar]

Oh I was just making fun of what a tool you are, I'm sorry did you think I was making a serious point of some kind?

Nah, I was hoping you might be able to, but there we have it.

[Unrersvar]

Yeah, getting colonized/slave-traded/etc. for a couple hundred years sure can screw with a continent's ability to compete technologically.

Yeah, because Africa was right on par with Europe when the first Europeans arrived.

Colonization is about the only thing that dragged them into some relation to the modern world, and since then they've contributed almost nothing beyon bloodshed, interesting new diseases, oppression and slaughter.

Just a heads up: Slavery was practiced widely throughout Africa for eons before the first European ever showed up, and it's still a problem today.

[gardeniyas]

So, wait, Oppenheimer, and Einstein were from India?

No?

From Europe?

Do you understand that an individual's religion has very little bearing on the Culture, but the religion of a majority of the people, over time, has massive influence on the society?

Umm Einstein and Oppenheimer's parents were European Jews.

Not really fitting into the whole Christians rock scenario.

[Caunnysup]

So, wait, Oppenheimer, and Einstein were from India?

No?

From Europe?

Do you understand that an individual's religion has very little bearing on the Culture, but the religion of a majority of the people, over time, has massive influence on the society?

ah, but what kind influence? you have multiple people here pointing out the joys of European christendom over the ages, but you seem oblivious to it all... ah well. not the first christian zealot i've had the pleasure of talking about such things...

[Unrersvar]

Umm Einstein and Oppenheimer's parents were European Jews.

Not really fitting into the whole Christians rock scenario.

Are you familiar with the term Judeo-Christian?

[kasandrasikl]

So the Jews started WWII? And I thought it was the Nazis and Japanese who worshiped invented or living dieties.

Erm, no, and it was neither. The worst bloodshed was that war itself (which I may have mentioned it was political). The genocide which occurred during it was certainly influenced by the historical Christian anti-Jewish sentiment endemic to that region of the world.

Sorry, take a look at Russia. Stalin 40 million dead. Although the country still isn't civilized, China. Mao left about 70 million dead. Keep throwing around the word "civilized" like you know what it means, chief.

With such shocking death totals on your side of the ledger, you have NO room to talk. My side of the ledger? What the hell do I have to do with dictatorial madmen?

Except that one "nonsense" produced the technology to put a man on the moon. Christianity had exactly dick% to do with putting a man on the moon. What did was science, reason, engineering. Science that your precious church repressed when it first came out because it clashed with it's worldview. Suppression of ideas because it may threaten the status quo...is that was civilization is? I mean you're the expert on civilization.

And what's your explanation for one culture leaving the other several thousand years in the past? You have a deeply gross misunderstanding of other cultures. I suggest you read Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs, and Steel to see a non-racist proposition why Europe and Asia has dominated the world so far.

Yeah, because Africa was right on par with Europe when the first Europeans arrived. Actually, during the 14th and 15th centuries Europe and North Africa, as well as the middle east and China were generally neck in neck. But you're a fan of generalizing entire peoples so you'll ignore that one.

Actually, I think your mindset would fit well in the backwaters of 15th century Europe.

Colonization is about the only thing that dragged them into some relation to the modern world You mean dragged them into an oppressive scheme that resulted in mass deaths of indigenous populations and overthrow of native cultural systems for what? White wealth? Get over yourself.

and since then they've contributed almost nothing beyon bloodshed, interesting new diseases, oppression and slaughter. We taught them well our methods.

Just a heads up: Slavery was practiced widely throughout Africa for eons before the first European ever showed up, and it's still a problem today. It was practiced everywhere, and that still doesn't justify it.

[zzbust]

Yeah, because Africa was right on par with Europe when the first Europeans arrived.

Colonization is about the only thing that dragged them into some relation to the modern world, and since then they've contributed almost nothing beyon bloodshed, interesting new diseases, oppression and slaughter.

Just a heads up: Slavery was practiced widely throughout Africa for eons before the first European ever showed up, and it's still a problem today.

Just imagine where Africa would be if it was left to its own devices....

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With such shocking death totals on your side of the ledger, you have NO room to talk.

Yeah Dayman, you complain about needing a job but then you go and murder "110 Million" people. You're unemployable, for Cripessakes!

[Unrersvar]

ah, but what kind influence?

What kind of influence? Look at what animism/tribal religions have done in the Third World.

Do you honestly think that's a coincidence?

What's your explanation for why Africa is such a back-water?

[kasandrasikl]

Just imagine where Africa would be if it was left to its own devices....

They were doing pretty good until we came along. Some parts were surprisingly advanced, others were not. You can't generalize an entire continent of diverse peoples like that.

What kind of influence? Look at what animism/tribal religions have done in the Third World. And what exactly is that?

Do you honestly think that's a coincidence?

What's your explanation for why Africa is such a back-water? FFS read Heart of Darkness already. You're talking out of your ass on a subject you know nothing about and are merely culling what thinly veiled racist tripe you can pull out of the air. You're sinking rapidly.

[zzbust]

What's your explanation for why Africa is such a back-water?

its the white mans fault.....didnt you know that.....just like everything else.

[gardeniyas]

Erm, no, and it was neither. The worst bloodshed was that war itself (which I may have mentioned it was political). The genocide which occurred during it was certainly influenced by the historical Christian anti-Jewish sentiment endemic to that region of the world.

Keep throwing around the word "civilized" like you know what it means, chief.

My side of the ledger? What the hell do I have to do with dictatorial madmen?

Christianity had exactly dick% to do with putting a man on the moon. What did was science, reason, engineering. Science that your precious church repressed when it first came out because it clashed with it's worldview. Suppression of ideas because it may threaten the status quo...is that was civilization is? I mean you're the expert on civilization.

You have a deeply gross misunderstanding of other cultures. I suggest you read Jared Diamond's Guns, Germs, and Steel to see a non-racist proposition why Europe and Asia has dominated the world so far.

Actually, during the 14th and 15th centuries Europe and North Africa, as well as the middle east and China were generally neck in neck. But you're a fan of generalizing entire peoples so you'll ignore that one.

Actually, I think your mindset would fit well in the backwaters of 15th century Europe.

You mean dragged them into an oppressive scheme that resulted in mass deaths of indigenous populations and overthrow of native cultural systems for what? White wealth? Get over yourself.

We taught them well our methods.

It was practiced everywhere, and that still doesn't justify it.

Thanks for saving me some typing Dayman.

[zzbust]

They were doing pretty good until we came along. Some parts were surprisingly advanced, others were not. You can't generalize an entire continent of diverse peoples like that.

Like I said..its the white mans fault.

The Native Americans were doing fine as well...

[kasandrasikl]

its the white mans fault.....didnt you know that.....just like everything else.

Hey Cerb, either man up and participate or you going to get some salvos your way.

You're coming up against a well armed and well trained opponent

Like I said..its the white mans fault.

The Native Americans were doing fine as well... Nothing to do with race Cerb, certainly not on my part. I view each actor within his own frame of reference. To treat all whites the same is to be as guilty as treating all Africans or Native Americans the same.

Do you really think what the Cortez's and the Columbus' did to the natives was justified because the Aztecs and Co. were not white Christians?

[Unrersvar]

They were doing pretty good until we came along. Some parts were surprisingly advanced, others were not. You can't generalize an entire continent of diverse peoples like that.

Really? Did they have shipping capable of travling across the earth?
Printing presses? Rifles? That's just off the top of my head. We could go all day.

[kasandrasikl]

None of those things existed in the 14th century.

Nice try though. You can list everything you want but unless you know the reasons behind Europe and Asia had those and why Africa did not you're still lost.

Well, unless you're China, which had gunpowder weapons from at least the 11th century on.