[Dwencejed]

Five top officers in Iran's elite Revolutionary Guard were among at least 20 people killed by a suicide bomber in the south east of the country, state media has reported.

[Uhmavano]

Five top officers in Iran's elite Revolutionary Guard were among at least 20 people killed by a suicide bomber in the south east of the country, state media has reported.

It's good to see the pain spread around. The Iranians supply a lot of the roadside bombs and it's good to see what goes around comes around. The whole middle east is a cesspool.

[Adollobdeb]

It's good to see the pain spread around. The Iranians supply a lot of the roadside bombs and it's good to see what goes around comes around. The whole middle east is a cesspool.

and the community organizer wants to sit down and talk it over with him.

PRICELESS!

[Uhmavano]

and the community organizer wants to sit down and talk it over with him.

PRICELESS!

It's called diplomacy.

[Adollobdeb]

It's called diplomacy.

with MAD dictators who deny the holocaust.

diplomacy or Muslim appeaser ????

[Uhmavano]

with MAD dictators who deny the holocaust.

diplomacy or Muslim appeaser ????

What do you propose we do about it ?

[kasandrasikl]

What do you propose we do about it ?

My bet's on "Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius."

[Dwencejed]

If we're seen to side with a leadership that does not represent the Iranian people, it may help galvanize the people into acting against their leaders.

If we side with the dissidents, we give the current government more anti-American ammunition -they can claim that any anti-government protests are simply the work of American influence.

The problem, and it's one that I know some here will have a very hard time grasping, is that the Iranian people have very good reasons not to trust our government.

[kasandrasikl]

I think we should lay off the overthrowing governments thing for a while now.

It's kinda an old shtick.

[Uhmavano]

My bet's on "Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius."

That saying was used in Vietnam. What method would be best for this task ?

[Dwencejed]

I think we should lay off the overthrowing governments thing for a while now.

Especially given that our habit of doing so is what got Iran into the current mess in the first place.

[Fdhwzctl]

If we're seen to side with a leadership that does not represent the Iranian people, it may help galvanize the people into acting against their leaders.

If we side with the dissidents, we give the current government more anti-American ammunition -they can claim that any anti-government protests are simply the work of American influence.

The problem, and it's one that I know some here will have a very hard time grasping, is that the Iranian people have very good reasons not to trust our government.

They're blaming us even though the White House immediately condemned the bombing. I don't think they really want to be friends.

[Dwencejed]

They're blaming us even though the White House immediately condemned the bombing.

Good. They're getting (more) desperate. The Iranian people know the government is constantly BS'ing them, and they're still pissed about the fraudulent election.

I don't think they really want to be friends. Parts of the government definietly do not (notice that the statement came from the head of parliament, not the President or one of the religious leaders), but if there is one thing that our policy towards Iran and Cuba has proved, it's that the "silent treatment" doesn't work.

[kasandrasikl]

That saying was used in Vietnam. What method would be best for this task ?

Nukes?

Especially given that our habit of doing so is what got Iran into the current mess in the first place. Iran is just the latest in a long line of embarrassing meddling in other nations politics. What ever happened to "Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto"?

[Dwencejed]

Our meddling in Iran goes back to the 1950's, when we overthrew their democratically-elected government, so it's fresher in their minds than, say, the Spanish-American war.

It is one of the ironic aspects of history that Republican Preisdents get us into these messes and then blame Democratic ones for trying to get us out.

[kasandrasikl]

Our meddling in Iran goes back to the 1950's, when we overthrew their democratically-elected government, so it's fresher in their minds than, say, the Spanish-American war. I know. And meddling goes back further. It is one of the ironic aspects of history that Republican Preisdents get us into these messes and then blame Democratic ones for trying to get us out. Are you kidding me? We were attacking foreign powers preemptively since Jackson, before the Republican party existed. Mexican-American war was under Polk. We've coerced Japan to open its ports to us using gunboat diplomacy under Peirce, another D. We toppled countless South American governments from the 1850s all the way to attempts to topple Cuba through Kennedy. Woodrow Wilson was prolific in that. These were all performed to "protect American interests", typically fruit conglomerates or the holdings of the likes of Vanderbilt. LBJ expanded our involvement in Vietnam, as did Kennedy before him.

Intervention in foreign gov'ts is not something that neither Democrat, Republican, or Whig can say they didn't take part of.

[Adollobdeb]

Good. They're getting (more) desperate. The Iranian people know the government is constantly BS'ing them, and they're still pissed about the fraudulent election.



Parts of the government definietly do not (notice that the statement came from the head of parliament, not the President or one of the religious leaders), but if there is one thing that our policy towards Iran and Cuba has proved, it's that the "silent treatment" doesn't work.

Are you talking about Obamas America of today??? Our gobmint BS'ing, and ACORN with all the voter fraud.

[Dwencejed]

I know. And meddling goes back further. Are you kidding me? We were attacking foreign powers preemptively since Jackson, before the Republican party existed..

I was thinking of the last century, back to the S-A War, which is the point at which we went from meddling in the affairs of others (which frankly, all nations do) to being actively Imperialist.

As to Vietnam, remember who initially sent troops there, and who took the time as he was leaving office to personally warn Kennedy not to let us get too involved in the mess that was Indochina.