[GVsdJZ2H]

Pretty amazing, the escalating cost of education has trumped healthcare.

But no one cares.

Maybe if the schools were run by right wing neo cons instead of neo leninist marxists the press would take note.

Much easier thing to fix than healthcare-just eliminate all the fake demand from the kids that shouldn't be there but are thanks to ridiculous gov't programs and the costs won't outperform everything else on planet earth.

[Senasivar]

Pretty amazing, the escalating cost of education has trumped healthcare.

But no one cares.

Actually, Congressman Fattah does care.

At two healthcare town halls he used higher education as an example of "public option" and why it will work. (No one told him about escalating education costs.)

Which of course puts an interesting twist on the discussion: if higher education is the model, then the pro-public option people are correct, it won't push private insurance out of the market. On the other hand it also means it will push cost increases even higher.

No one ever accused him of having strong talking points.

[Dwencejed]

source? citation? Or are we supposed to take this on faith, like everything else you post?

[GVsdJZ2H]

This despite the competition from online schools.

Is there any other business who has faced competition from the internet and still had pricing power besides traditional higher education?

[Senasivar]

source? citation? Or are we supposed to take this on faith, like everything else you post?

I am the source. I was there.

[GalasaKoll]

This despite the competition from online schools.

Is there any other business who has faced competition from the internet and still had pricing power besides traditional higher education?

Forgive me, but WHAT competition from online schools? Online degrees receive very little credibility from major firms. I'm pretty sure I'd have trouble getting a top job with a degree from University of Phoenix online. Even if I had straight A's.

College is an experience, not simply words on paper. Earning a degree while in your pajamas in your bedroom is not quite the same thing as attending a lecture or lab and really interacting with students...

And as to your point about costs... the reason why "real" schools can still charge more, is because they provide more and offer more. Why should they try to compete with the cost of an online institution that has a very small percentage of the expenses involved in a traditional program?

That being said... I agree, college tuition is ridiculously expensive. FAFSA is ridiculous... according to my forms, my family should have been able to support a $55,000+ tuition bill my freshman year... yeah, sure, if we took a second mortgage on the house, maybe?

I wish tuition rate increases would be capped by government somehow. My school is currently engaging in tons of construction and renovation plans, for buildings I will never see or get to reap the benefits of during my years there... yet my tuition has increased to cover it. It's unfortunate.

[Dwencejed]

I am the source. I was there.

Wasn't talking to you. I was addressing the author of the thread, who has a habit of starting thread with "known facts" and no sources or citations.

No everything is about you, Adam.

[Senasivar]

Wasn't talking to you. I was addressing the author of the thread, who has a habit of starting thread with "known facts" and no sources or citations.

No everything is about you, Adam.

You may want to quote the post you are replying to then or else people will assume you are replying to the one right before yours.

[exsmoker]

rendell brought up an interesting idea called bare bones schools which were oposed by traditional schools. Essentially, taxpayers and students are forced to buy into these large schools with ever growing facilities and research labs, auditoriums, etc. much of this really isn't necessary for a college level education which needs teachers, students, and material (which could be books or digital materials). in grad school we had a prof who wrote his own book but instead of selling his soul, he published it digitally and sold it for $11. It's an excellentidea. You could lease the botany 500 building, hire teachers, and start teaching...no gyms, no dorms, just classes. you don't need all that stuff. yes it's nice, but is it worth $30k in loans? that's a question that each should be able to answer. that said, the other reason education costs goes up is because the government helps everyone pay for it, so why not?

[Senasivar]

that said, the other reason education costs goes up is because the government helps everyone pay for it, so why not?

Economics teaches us the market will charge what people are willing to pay and not exactly what it costs. The market sets the value, not component cost.

With that in mind, if people are willing to pay $20K out of their pocket for a product and someone gives you $5K, you most likely start looking at what you can get for $25K, not going with your original budget and saving $5K.

That's why when you go buy a car, they ask you how much you want to spend a month, not necessarily the grand total.

Or like with tax abatements. It doesn't necessarily mean the house you normally could afford is cheaper, but people tend to buy more expensive homes and the market price drives up. (And that is why developers like it, greater profit line because people will spend more without having to necessarily deliver more - price inflation as currency is added into the market).

[GVsdJZ2H]

Shannon I agree with your post and good luck with your education. I did not mean to imply that online and live were analagous, more that the online providers provide an option for some people. Which is some degree of competition for all of the schools. I could not and still can't think of any other business offered online where it has not crimped the already existing industry's pricing power in some way.

The high price wasn't really my focus either, it is that the price perpetually goes higher no matter the level of education provided, the underlying US economy or even to a much smaller degree the online schools.



I wish tuition rate increases would be capped by government somehow. They can very easily, stop enabling so many kids to goto these places that shouldn't be there in the first place. THey create fake demand. Everyone in their college careers knows people who should not be there. What percentage of every single class? I went to a large state school many moons ago and would say 20% minimum did not belong in a university. They should either be at JC, CC doing something online or learning a trade.

Instead they drag down the educational level for everyone and because they are taking up a spot they are creating fake demand.

[Arkadiyas]

You may want to quote the post you are replying to then or else people will assume you are replying to the one right before yours.

Heh, somehow I knew exactly who Morley was referring to.

[tigoCeree]

i think it is important to remember that very very few pay "list price" for college education. i'm sure the numbers are available, but i'm too lazy to look. it would be interesting to see what the listed tuition cost is for private and public universities versus what students actually pay to attend.

[KlaraNovikoffaZ]

Heh actually most students going for advanced degrees pay more than list price if they're pursuing one of the echelon-class jobs.

Law students and doctors have tons of student loan debt which collects interest. Even better is that SL debt cannot be BK'd away and sticks with you for life until you pay every last penny off.

[Derrida]

Maybe if the schools were run by right wing neo cons instead of neo leninist marxists the press would take note.

It was "right win neo cons" that took over the school district, replaced the local school board with the SRC and then tried to give all 270 schools away to Edison (thanks to Dept. of Ed patsy, Zogby) so it's not just the "neo Lenninist" running things into the ground. Both right and left wingers deserve credit for that.

[GVsdJZ2H]

WHy is it that the common man goes into the free market and generally gets his money's worth or better and the neo leninist marxist goes into the free market and generally gets raped and pillaged?

Your revisionist history is extremely entertaining. Your neo marxists that have ruled education for the last 100yrs have seen it basically head in one direction. So bad that the last liberal in the oval office actually saw fit for the federal government to step in so everyone can teach to some standardized test now.

THe anti competitive feel good about yourself despite accomplishing nothing output of your average public school is embarrasing to a martian.

The idea that every other male is being medicated for life thanks to largely female neo marxist anti competitive social workers has done wonders for the education process.

The fact that young idealistic individuals who go into teaching turn into paycheck collecting wards of the teachers unions in record time- has done wonders for morale.


THe fact that schools employ completely counter intuitive plans to suck federal money has created it's own industry in how to get the forms to look just right to get maximum money. This includes things like increasing poor performance, increasing kids who cannot buy lunch, increasing everything wrong to appear needier.


The fact that the Philly School system has more no show political patronage jobs than any other city entity is awesome for getting the most out of the tax dollars. Are suburban schools filled with no show political payback jobs?


What have the schools done well under neo marxist control?

[Senasivar]

Maybe if the schools were run by right wing neo cons instead of neo leninist marxists the press would take note.

It was "right win neo cons" that took over the school district, replaced the local school board with the SRC and then tried to give all 270 schools away to Edison (thanks to Dept. of Ed patsy, Zogby) so it's not just the "neo Lenninist" running things into the ground. Both right and left wingers deserve credit for that.

Might want to work on the facts a bit. Rep. Dwight Evans was one of the largest movers for Edison. I doubt he would be classified as a "neocon".

A lot of different groups were involved.

[Dwencejed]

WHy is it that the common man goes into the free market and generally gets his money's worth or better and the neo leninist marxist goes into the free market and generally gets raped and pillaged?

It's like a Zen Koan! Master, please tell us the answer!

[GVsdJZ2H]

adam thank you, for the life of me I could picture him but I could not think of his name.

[tigoCeree]

Heh actually most students going for advanced degrees pay more than list price if they're pursuing one of the echelon-class jobs.

Law students and doctors have tons of student loan debt which collects interest. Even better is that SL debt cannot be BK'd away and sticks with you for life until you pay every last penny off.

not advanced degrees.