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Old 10-02-2007, 11:27 PM   #21
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Ah, but I think we both know the world will have to wait.

Matt
Unless he is investigated on some of the many apparently illegal things he's done...but alas, I don't know if there are enough good strong Congresscritters to take a stand and rid us of the worst President in history. And another US soldier gets his leg blown off.
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Old 10-02-2007, 11:52 PM   #22
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North Korea, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, Vietnam, Cuba and many others rogue countries are armed almost entirely with Russian weapons.

Since 2000 - Russia has increased arms sales over 200%.

Shortly after America and our allies invaded Iraq in the first Gulf war..Russia sold saddam $150,000,000 in anti-aircraft weaponry to help them shoot down American jets within weeks of President Bush's announcement that we were going to war.

Right now in Arms trade with Libya, Libya is allowing oil and gas pipelines built under Russian control - in turn Russia is replacing and modernizing their entire air force and selling them anti-aircraft technology to boot.

Yeah...those peace loving Russians
Putin's a shister for certain, worse than Chavez , but I think he's got a valid point here.
January of 2008, you'll have your wish.

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2008?
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Old 10-03-2007, 12:03 AM   #23
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2008?
HAH! I didn't even catch that! Maybe Matt knows something we don't know!
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Old 10-03-2007, 12:11 AM   #24
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I noticed he didn't mention the fact that Russia sells $6,000,000,000 a year in arms sales to some of the most questionable nations on earth.
Do they invade them for allegedly (but falsely) possessing said arms?
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Old 10-03-2007, 12:12 AM   #25
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North Korea, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Libya, Vietnam, Cuba and many others rogue countries are armed almost entirely with Russian weapons.

Since 2000 - Russia has increased arms sales over 200%.

Shortly after America and our allies invaded Iraq in the first Gulf war..Russia sold saddam $150,000,000 in anti-aircraft weaponry to help them shoot down American jets within weeks of President Bush's announcement that we were going to war.

Right now in Arms trade with Libya, Libya is allowing oil and gas pipelines built under Russian control - in turn Russia is replacing and modernizing their entire air force and selling them anti-aircraft technology to boot.

Yeah...those peace loving Russians
I guess they wanted to help Iraq defend themselves against foreign aggressors. Peace loving, perhaps.
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Old 10-03-2007, 12:32 AM   #26
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When Putin's reasons for slamming the US are more altruistic, I will lend his slams some creditability. However, his transparency reveals at least one hidden agenda.

Based on the political rumblings in the US, perhaps he is hopeful for a Vietnam-like withdrawal of the US from that region. That type of vacuum could be ripe for increased revenue into Russia based on sales of outdated Russian/Soviet weapons. With Putin's planned update of Russian weaponry hardware, Washington Nuclear Update, 27 November 2003, he could kill two birds with one stone - needed revenue and disposal of outdated weapons, to any terrorist who pays.

But, one should be careful of being outspoken against Putin. Recall Anna Politkovskaya, journalist found shot in the head in her apartment, Journalist Critical of Chechen War Is Shot Dead - New York Times, and one should develop a fear of plutonium.

Putin needs money into his fledgling economy. Putin: “What is the threat? Terrorism and fighting it” – spoon feed me more, Vlad.
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Old 10-03-2007, 12:38 AM   #27
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I noticed he didn't mention the fact that Russia sells $6,000,000,000 a year in arms sales to some of the most questionable nations on earth.
Perhaps Putin realizes that the concerned citizens of the world have completely forgotten about Russia's War on Terror in Chechnya.

The Russian Military flattened Grozny.

TIME.com Europe | Photo Essay - Witness to Madness | 3/31/2000
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Old 10-03-2007, 12:49 AM   #28
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Perhaps Putin realizes that the concerned citizens of the world have completely forgotten about Russia's War on Terror in Chechnya.

The Russian Military flattened Grozny.

TIME.com Europe | Photo Essay - Witness to Madness | 3/31/2000
Good point, beerman.
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Old 10-03-2007, 12:50 AM   #29
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Islamic Fundamentalism has made the world more dangerous.
It is certainly a major reason why many people in the world to have to endure heightened security when they travel, commute or go about their business.
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Old 10-03-2007, 02:24 AM   #30
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I noticed he didn't mention the fact that Russia sells $6,000,000,000 a year in arms sales to some of the most questionable nations on earth.
good point. These people coming out criticizing the U.S. ought to look at their own dealings with these nations--including France and Germany. Both of those nations profit off of endless African civil war with arms sales.
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Old 10-03-2007, 03:15 AM   #31
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That came first yes. And the world was dangerous. Then Bush came along and made it even more dangerous.
Actually Bush has made the world alot safer. That is obvious to everyone except Hussein apologists.

Your beloved Hussein is dead Samantha, go cry to mama.
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Old 10-03-2007, 03:24 AM   #32
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The "we were attacked" nonsense is beyond ridiculous. IRAQ didn't attack us and there is conclusive indisputable proof that the Bush Administration made-up the "evidence" to attack Iraq and engage in the worst blunder in American history.
You are 100% wrong on both counts.

1st. Iraq attacked us 1000's of times. Simply because you are personally ignorant of that FACT, that does not mean the attacks didn't occur. It just means that you are PERSONALLY IGNORANT of those attacks.

2nd, the USA didn't fucking need "evidence" to attack Iraq. Seems that you are simply ignorant of that FACT too.

Sounds like you've been drinking up alot of grape kool-aid, you one of those socialists from Jonestown or something???

Where is this "conclusive indisputable proof" you speak of?????

That's right dude, it doesn't exist.

Go have another glass of the purple stuff. :roilleyes:
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Old 10-03-2007, 04:00 AM   #33
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Actually Bush has made the world alot safer.
And your evidence of this is? Explain your logic, please.
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Old 10-03-2007, 04:02 AM   #34
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The "we were attacked" nonsense is beyond ridiculous. IRAQ didn't attack us and there is conclusive indisputable proof that the Bush Administration made-up the "evidence" to attack Iraq and engage in the worst blunder in American history.

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Back in WWII Japs attacked us Not the Germans.So why did we bomb berlin for? Germans didnt attack Pearl Harbor the Japs did.Samething here IRAQ is part of arabic culture and arabs attacked us in 9-11 so everyone the in the middle east is a suspect.
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Old 10-03-2007, 04:08 AM   #35
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Back in WWII Japs attacked us Not the Germans.So why did we bomb berlin for.Germans didnt attack Pearl Harbor the Japs did.Samething here IRAQ is part of arabic culture and arabs attacked us in 9-11 so everyone the in the middle east is a suspect.
US invaded Germany because Germany declared war on the United States. Also, by your logic, since Timothy McVeigh was white, American and formerly in the US military, does this make all whites, Americans and US military members suspects of terrorism?
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Old 10-03-2007, 06:03 AM   #36
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Al Queda Declare war on Isreal and the US. Al Queda operated in Afgainstan,IRAQ,IRAN.Pakistan,Lebanon,Syria and Yemen. Theyre all suspects so we have the right to declare war on any of these nations.Bush said in his speech. Ether youre with us? or youre with the terrorist. And remaining arab nations IRAN.Pakistan,Lebanon,Syria and Yemen are siding and harboring Al Queda.
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Old 10-03-2007, 06:07 AM   #37
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Actually Bush has made the world alot safer. That is obvious to everyone except Hussein apologists.

Your beloved Hussein is dead Samantha, go cry to mama.
Who will take you seriously when you post wild and crazy strawmen like this?


No one.
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Old 10-03-2007, 06:25 AM   #38
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Al Queda Declare war on Isreal and the US. Al Queda operated in Afgainstan,IRAQ,IRAN.Pakistan,Lebanon,Syria and Yemen. Theyre all suspects so we have the right to declare war on any of these nations.Bush said in his speech. Ether youre with us? or youre with the terrorist. And remaining arab nations IRAN.Pakistan,Lebanon,Syria and Yemen are siding and harboring Al Queda.
Al-Qaeda is not a nation. They cannot declare war. Also, you didn't answer my question. Since McVeigh was white and American and a terrorist, doesn't that make all Americans suspects of terrorism, too?
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Old 10-03-2007, 06:41 AM   #39
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Like Putin is one to talk about making the world a more dangerous place. Russia is mostly responsible for making Iran on the brink of having nuclear weapons technology. If that isn't making the world a more dangerous place I don't know what is. The Russians seem to have a history of making deals that are bad for them based on short term interests. They made a deal with the Nazis to carve up Poland for short term gain, with a regime that had an ideologically driven haterd and desire to conquer them, which almost happened.

I don't think the Islamic fundamentalists in Iran have any less animosity for the Russians than the Nazis did. I am sure they secretly regard Russia as the other "Great Satan". Russia is really stupid to make them more powerful, especially since the Russians are fighting Islamic insurgents on their southern border.
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Old 10-03-2007, 06:43 AM   #40
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The "we were attacked" nonsense is beyond ridiculous. IRAQ didn't attack us and there is conclusive indisputable proof that the Bush Administration made-up the "evidence" to attack Iraq and engage in the worst blunder in American history.

The Bush Administration has isolated America, chased away friends and allies, and reduced American leadership and influence dramatically. But he didn't do it by himself. There are many democrats with blood on their hands as well, and as obvious as the disastrous results are, there are still far too many Americans spouting shit like "we were attacked", as if that gives reason to engage in any foolish demonic misadventure that we choose. And do you think the United States should just unilaterally pull out of the Middle East, leaving it to descend into chaos on its own? That is the alternative now and I certainly don't think that will make the world a safer place at all.
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