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Old 02-14-2007, 03:16 PM   #1
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Default I can change your traditions but don't you dare smoke in the same city as me...
It seems our only MULSIM congressman doesn't have a problem destroying traditions of the congress but when it comes to a man smoking a cigar in the building next to his he feels that's worth calling the policy on.

Sounds like just another fruit loop the Dems out west have put in office.

Rep. Ellison calls the cops to snuff Tancredo’s cigar

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Old 02-14-2007, 04:13 PM   #2
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How is he destroying the traditions of congress?

Are you saying that cigar smoking is a valued tradition of congress?
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Old 02-14-2007, 04:46 PM   #3
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He called the cops without discussing the issue first hand? What a dick this guy is. Poor poor pussy boy !
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Old 02-14-2007, 04:53 PM   #4
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It helps if you read the story. Ellison didn't actually call the cops. His press sec called the super's office.

But I can't blame you altogether. Even your biased right wing blogger got it wrong in her headline.

Ellison’s press secretary, Rick Jauert, made the call to the Superintendent’s office when he noticed the smoke. “I called because the smoke was coming through the walls,” Jauert said, adding that the Superintendent’s office referred him to the Capitol Police.

Jauert said he then informed his boss what he had done. He said “fine,” Jauert said. “He’s complained of the smoke before.”
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Old 02-14-2007, 05:03 PM   #5
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It helps if you read the story. Ellison didn't actually call the cops. His press sec called the super's office.

But I can't blame you altogether. Even your biased right wing blogger got it wrong in her headline.
Sure...And you have missed this part.

The officer had already told Ellison that Tancredo was permitted to smoke in his office. The visit was more a formality. I stand on my first comment.
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Old 02-14-2007, 05:15 PM   #6
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But your first comment says Ellison called the cops. You see that it's not true yet you stand by that?



The aid called the super. Ellison said fine. Tancredo is allowed to smoke in his office. His smoke bothers people and he doesn't care.

That's it, it's not a very interesting story really. It happens all the time. People smoke and other people don't like it.
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Old 02-14-2007, 05:19 PM   #7
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But your first comment says Ellison called the cops. You see that it's not true yet you stand by that?



The aid called the super. Ellison said fine. Tancredo is allowed to smoke in his office. His smoke bothers people and he doesn't care.

That's it, it's not a very interesting story really. It happens all the time. People smoke and other people don't like it.
He approved the call...But it's just funny that someone who raised such a fuss about not being able to use the Koran to be sworn in on is willing to allow the police to be called over a cigar...not even in the same building.

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Old 02-14-2007, 05:27 PM   #8
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But your first comment says Ellison called the cops. You see that it's not true yet you stand by that?

“The officer had already told Ellison that Tancredo was permitted to smoke in his office.” Why would the officer have told him that, unless Ellison has made a complaint prior to this incidence?

Once again, I stand by my first comments.
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Old 02-14-2007, 05:29 PM   #9
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He approved the call...But it's just funny that someone who raised such a fuss about not being able to use the Koran to be sworn in on is willing to allow the police to be called over a cigar...not even in the same building.

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I liked the fact that smoke was coming through the wall even though three air cleaners were being used.
That building should be condemned because it sure can't be meeting government building codes.
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Old 02-14-2007, 06:17 PM   #10
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It helps if you read the story. Ellison didn't actually call the cops. His press sec called the super's office.

But I can't blame you altogether. Even your biased right wing blogger got it wrong in her headline.
And the lefts bloggers are all truthful right?
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Old 02-14-2007, 06:18 PM   #11
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They piss truth and shit the American opinion...hadn't you heard?

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Old 02-14-2007, 07:14 PM   #12
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This is how it all went down. On Wednesday evening, around 6 p.m., Tancredo was preparing for his trip to Mississippi. And as he so often does, he was unwinding with a cigar.

Soon enough, however, a police officer walked in to check on the smoke.

Ellison’s press secretary, Rick Jauert, made the call to the Superintendent’s office when he noticed the smoke. “I called because the smoke was coming through the walls,” Jauert said, adding that the Superintendent’s office referred him to the Capitol Police.

NOWHERE in the article does it mention that Ellison or his aide wanted Tancredo to stop smoking in his office. Anyone who press this is just spinning another conservaganda.

According to the article, the police arrived to check on the smoke - NOT to tell Tancredo to stop smoking. What Ellison wanted Tancredo to do (if any) is not mentioned. Perhaps Ellison's staff was alarmed and worried that it could be something else, like a fire. Perhaps they just wanted to check and make sure Tancredo's cigar was put out properly and didn't cause a fire like some cigarette butts have been known to do. Perhaps they just wanted Tancredo to smoke his cigar in such a way that it doesn't cause smoke to creep into the next room. What was said between Ellison's staff, the super, and the police is not mentioned in the article.

BOTTOM LINE: Ellison has not said, or even inferred that he wants Tancredo to stop smoking in the office. This is just another spin from the spin-happy right.
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Old 02-15-2007, 12:47 AM   #13
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NOWHERE in the article does it mention that Ellison or his aide wanted Tancredo to stop smoking in his office. Anyone who press this is just spinning another conservaganda.

According to the article, the police arrived to check on the smoke - NOT to tell Tancredo to stop smoking. What Ellison wanted Tancredo to do (if any) is not mentioned. Perhaps Ellison's staff was alarmed and worried that it could be something else, like a fire. Perhaps they just wanted to check and make sure Tancredo's cigar was put out properly and didn't cause a fire like some cigarette butts have been known to do. Perhaps they just wanted Tancredo to smoke his cigar in such a way that it doesn't cause smoke to creep into the next room. What was said between Ellison's staff, the super, and the police is not mentioned in the article.

BOTTOM LINE: Ellison has not said, or even inferred that he wants Tancredo to stop smoking in the office. This is just another spin from the spin-happy right.
Perhaps Ellisons staff are morons that can't smell cigar smoke.....I'm betting that isn't the really story, because I have my doubts that the cigar smoke was creeping through the wall.
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Old 02-15-2007, 12:53 AM   #14
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You're betting on what the real story is? And in the mean time you'll just have fun making up what you think it is? OK, have gun guys.

Great thread!

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Old 02-15-2007, 01:03 AM   #15
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You're betting on what the real story is? And in the mean time you'll just have fun making up what you think it is? OK, have gun guys.

Great thread!


Where did I make anything up? All of my replies were from the article.

Do I think there is more to the story? Yes, but I haven't stated anything.
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Old 02-15-2007, 01:08 AM   #16
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You said you were betting it's not the real story. You said he called the cops. (he didn't, his aid called the super of the building). You said you think this isn't the first time Ellison called the cops (you keep forgetting he didn't, according to the link). You said the building can't be meeting code. It's all just a bunch of drivel. No offense. But where are the facts in this discussion? the story is so stupid in the first place that there isn't much to discuss, so a whole bunch of stuff is made up, it's even made up in the link - see the title.

Most buildings have a no smoking rule.

Perhaps the congressional offices need that rule too....
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Old 02-15-2007, 01:51 AM   #17
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What more annoys me is that Congress allows themselves to smoke in their offices whilst banning it for others from choosing to do so. I've always felt smoke bans on private property was intrusive nanny statism, but Congressional offices are public property and yet they allow themselves an exception. I don't have a problem with them allowing it in their offices, but it is awfully hypocritical to tell others, especially those on private property, to not do so by law. Then again, hypocrisy and self-given special privileges come hand in hand with politicians.
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Old 02-15-2007, 02:30 AM   #18
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Perhaps Ellisons staff are morons that can't smell cigar smoke.....I'm betting that isn't the really story, because I have my doubts that the cigar smoke was creeping through the wall.
Then there must be a Clark Kent in Ellison's staff who can see through walls and called the super right when Trancredo was smoking...
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Old 02-15-2007, 03:04 AM   #19
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He approved the call...But it's just funny that someone who raised such a fuss about not being able to use the Koran to be sworn in on is willing to allow the police to be called over a cigar...not even in the same building.

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What I don't understand is, why do people swear in on ANY religious document? How about swearing in on a copy of the Constitution?
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Old 02-15-2007, 03:33 AM   #20
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What more annoys me is that Congress allows themselves to smoke in their offices whilst banning it for others from choosing to do so. I've always felt smoke bans on private property was intrusive nanny statism, but Congressional offices are public property and yet they allow themselves an exception. I don't have a problem with them allowing it in their offices, but it is awfully hypocritical to tell others, especially those on private property, to not do so by law. Then again, hypocrisy and self-given special privileges come hand in hand with politicians.
Didn't Nancy Pelosi make a no smoking rule for them as well? It's only fair.
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