[BJEugene]

Welcome to the board truthbetold.

I think we will have to wait 2 more years for some real alternative initiatives by our government. This admin is way to wrapped up in Big Oil.

If only the majority of Americans had voted for Al Gore in 2000 we might be well on our way by now.

Oh wait, they did!

Oh Wait! If we had elected Al Bore, we would 6 years closer to full blown Socialism, as he slightly Communist, like the Clintons!!


So much for that now on Topic as you seem not to be!

Cut the number of barrels? OK, add about $25 a barrel excise tax on, and see what the responce would be? Lets get rolling on a couple of more refineries, with NO tax incentives to Shell or Exxon!

Screw Greenpeace and ELF and all their Liberal-Socialist brothers and sisters, this is the Nation of Adult Christians and decent people, not Leftist assholes and queers!! Nothing personal as Samantha is my Board girlfriend! (Sandra Bullock) Your gonna have to LIKE me, sqeeze me, hold me

[cokLoolioli]

There has been some speculation that the Saudis were over producing in order to drive prices down and cause economic problems for the Iranians. When the some White House official was asked about this, he was smirking as he dodged the question.

NBC: Saudis waging an oil war on Iran? - Focus on Iran - MSNBC.com

[Gerribase]

I find THAT to be far more useful and profitable than attempting to build an electric go-cart.

No, no, the electric car was the solution to every problem on earth.

So what if it had a very short range and was completely useless in the cold?

Only people who live in cities where it is warm need cars anyway. Screw everyone else!

Matt

[cepAceryTem]

No, no, the electric car was the solution to every problem on earth.

So what if it had a very short range and was completely useless in the cold?

Only people who live in cities where it is warm need cars anyway. Screw everyone else!

Matt

It's hilarious that if we ever bring up oil prices, gas prices, energy in general, the typical liberal response is the electric car. We all should be driving them. What's wrong with you people...don't you care about the environment? Don't you want to be energy independent? Don't you care about your kids future for God's sake?

...You know what? Sorry libs...I didn't mean to insult you. I apologize. I shouldn't say things about you that are not true. It was very mean and insensitive of me to suggest any belief in God.

Back to the point. Iron, where do you think the energy comes from that would allow you to charge your electric car? And please don't come back with "well, we should have alternative sources like wind power, solar power and cow farts" because those are not cost effective yet. You wouldn't be able to afford your electric car if you had to rely on those sources for the energy...not to mention their is no infrastructure. And please stop with the Al Gore would have fixed everything crap. The hot air coming from Al Gore is the true cause of global warming.

Bottom line is the Saudis are going to do what is best for them. We wouldn't do anything different. I'm not saying I like it but it's the way thing are. You want to do something about it? Allow the energy companies to make whatever profit they need so they can research and develop new and alternative energy sources. Allow then to build new plants and refineries. Keep the government and the environmental brain stems out of it. As several other posters have said, the Democrats have done more to keep this country reliant on foreign oil than any Bush/Saudi tinfoil hat conspiracy ever could.

[Seiblybiozy]

We generate much of our electricity by burning oil. And the liberals (i.e., the Democrat Party) keeps voting against expanding the extraction of our oil, and keeps voting against building new refineries, and keeps voting against building new coal-fired electrical power plants (thereby saving our oil for our motor vehicles) and keeps voting against building new nuclear electrical power plants. So in reality it's the Democrat Party which has us by the balls, Samantha.

As for me, I recently (about 6 months ago) put a large portion of my funds into a mutual fund which specializes in energy companies. And every time the Saudis (or the Democrats, see above) do something which limits the supply and/or raises the price (i.e., "removing tax breaks" for the oil companies) of oil and natural gas, I realize huge profits in my mutual fund holding.

I find THAT to be far more useful and profitable than attempting to build an electric go-cart.

Switching from coal to oil burners to generate electricity was a big mistake IMO......We have coal coming out of our asses but the idiots just had to switch to oil.

[TheBestCheapestOEM]

OK so the Republicans on this board aren't worried about the Saudis manipulating oil prices and electric cars with solar electric power is a stupid idea.

Got it.

[iOqedeyH]

See what i was telling you all along. MICHEAL MOORE IS RIGHT!!! Watch the movie " Fahrenheit 9/11 " and youll see what he was trying to tell you all along!!

Unlike you, I'm not interested in the opinions of fanatics, but I do like to make fun of them on occasion.

[iOqedeyH]

We generate much of our electricity by burning oil. And the liberals (i.e., the Democrat Party) keeps voting against expanding the extraction of our oil, and keeps voting against building new refineries, and keeps voting against building new coal-fired electrical power plants (thereby saving our oil for our motor vehicles) and keeps voting against building new nuclear electrical power plants. So in reality it's the Democrat Party which has us by the balls, Samantha.

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Are you saying that Republicans didn't have control of the Congress for the past 12 years and the white House for the past 6 years?

Isn't the Governor of Florida the president's brother? Who was stopping oil exploration if Florida?

[cepAceryTem]

OK so the Republicans on this board aren't worried about the Saudis manipulating oil prices and electric cars with solar electric power is a stupid idea.

Got it.

That's the point Sam... You don't get it. Your ignorance of economics and what drives the market for any product is more than my 10 year old's. But that's par for the course for liberals.

[beethyday]

OK so the Republicans on this board aren't worried about the Saudis manipulating oil prices and electric cars with solar electric power is a stupid idea.

Got it.

I guess you didn't read my post, didja Sam?

The Saudi's have been trying to manipulate the price of oil for the past six months, to no effect. They're now increasing their reduction even more in an attempt to keep the price of oil above 55%.

However, this puts them in two bad spots:

1. The overwhelming burden of these OPEC cuts fall disproportionately on Saudi Arabia, something they will be willing to tolerate only for a short period of time.
2. It helps removes them from their role as the global "swing producer", as it means that SA is producing less than 10% of the oil supplied daily.

So... no, I don't worry about the Saudi's manipulating oil prices.

[DoctoBuntonTen]

I guess you didn't read my post, didja Sam?

The Saudi's have been trying to manipulate the price of oil for the past six months, to no effect. They're now increasing their reduction even more in an attempt to keep the price of oil above 55%.

However, this puts them in two bad spots:

1. The overwhelming burden of these OPEC cuts fall disproportionately on Saudi Arabia, something they will be willing to tolerate only for a short period of time.
2. It helps removes them from their role as the global "swing producer", as it means that SA is producing less than 10% of the oil supplied daily.

So... no, I don't worry about the Saudi's manipulating oil prices.

You're making way too much sense, you must be from TN. Go Vols!

Varus

[BoattyGonm]

A Saudi's gota do what a Saudi's gota do! Raise oil prices, wooohooo!

[BJEugene]

It's hilarious that if we ever bring up oil prices, gas prices, energy in general, the typical liberal response is the electric car. We all should be driving them. What's wrong with you people...don't you care about the environment? Don't you want to be energy independent? Don't you care about your kids future for God's sake?

...You know what? Sorry libs...I didn't mean to insult you. I apologize. I shouldn't say things about you that are not true. It was very mean and insensitive of me to suggest any belief in God.

Back to the point. Iron, where do you think the energy comes from that would allow you to charge your electric car? And please don't come back with "well, we should have alternative sources like wind power, solar power and cow farts" because those are not cost effective yet. You wouldn't be able to afford your electric car if you had to rely on those sources for the energy...not to mention their is no infrastructure. And please stop with the Al Gore would have fixed everything crap. The hot air coming from Al Gore is the true cause of global warming.

Bottom line is the Saudis are going to do what is best for them. We wouldn't do anything different. I'm not saying I like it but it's the way thing are. You want to do something about it? Allow the energy companies to make whatever profit they need so they can research and develop new and alternative energy sources. Allow then to build new plants and refineries. Keep the government and the environmental brain stems out of it. As several other posters have said, the Democrats have done more to keep this country reliant on foreign oil than any Bush/Saudi tinfoil hat conspiracy ever could.

When you say Iron, are you referring to me??? I am the meanest, biggest, nastiest, Conservative here!! I understand energy, and I also understand Nations are robbing us blind!! P.S. Fuck Al Gore, and I like your style!!

[cepAceryTem]

When you say Iron, are you referring to me??? I am the meanest, biggest, nastiest, Conservative here!! I understand energy, and I also understand Nations are robbing us blind!! P.S. Fuck Al Gore, and I like your style!!

I was talking to Ironmaiden but I like your style also.

[cokLoolioli]

Are you saying that Republicans didn't have control of the Congress for the past 12 years and the white House for the past 6 years?

Isn't the Governor of Florida the president's brother? Who was stopping oil exploration if Florida?

It wasnt really a big issue, but both my Senators were against it of course, one democrat and one republican. Jeb was as well till he mnade a compromise. I was for it.

[cokLoolioli]

A Saudi's gota do what a Saudi's gota do! Raise oil prices, wooohooo!

They cant actually "raise" prices. Those are controlled by the futures market. All they can do is control supply.

[Prererularl]

If only the majority of Americans had voted for Al Gore in 2000 we might be well on our way by now.

Oh wait, they did!

Yes .. they did, but that isn't how presidential elections work, so that point is irrelevant.

[Prererularl]

OK so the Republicans on this board aren't worried about the Saudis manipulating oil prices and electric cars with solar electric power is a stupid idea.

Got it.

Electric cars cannot keep up with the pace of today's Americans .. to think otherwise is a stupid idea.

[buyviagraonlineusatoday]

I hear wind power at this point is actually farther along and working better than solar. So far. I think we need to push progress along a little harder so we can solve these huge problems of Mid East oil dependency and the pollution caused by burning fossil fuels which is warming the earth.

Wind power is a very cheap way of producing electricity. But after the fire we had in the alta mont pass and the fact that they kill migratory birds we are not increasing the number of them.

I saw an article of the San Jose Mercury News a few weeks ago which showed that in the 70's the earth was actually cooling and that we needed to find a way to change that. It actually showed each year and whether the earth cooled of heated up each year. In the 70's about 10 in a row were blue suggesting cooling. Then in the 80's its red all the way to the current year. Cars are only a small part of the problem.

[OQmYckYz]

I though Bush controlled oil prices? I'm so confused. One day the libs say the price is controlled by Bush, the next day it's controlled by someone else.

Truthbetold, wind power cost 10% more in New Mexico. A great place was found for wind turbines, that would not affect ANY migratory birds. But the Kennedy's don't want them near their house. I guess their ocean view is more important than the environment.

Problem with wind turbines is maintenance costs are very high. They are exposed to such serious climates that they wear out pretty quickly. Relatively speaking. They constantly need reoiling, repainting, rewiring and more. I use to sell the products, to PNM, to repair and service these.