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Old 01-22-2007, 05:06 PM   #1
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Default AZ lawmaker crafts bill making Minutemen felony terrorists
According to her own website, this woman used to be a social worker in a school district in Arizona. One of her specialties was advocating for "undocumented families". She also chaired the committee that ran the opposition to Arizona's same-sex marriage ban. That ban become the first state ban to be defeated on the ballot, in Nov. 2006.

Now this bill is specifically crafted to criminalize the activities of Minutemen, including the vast majority who do nothing but sit on the border, and call the Border Patrol when they see something. The hook is, of course, if even one of the Minutemen has ANY KIND of weapon at the time (sidearm, pocketknife, boxcutter or etc.), then the entire group are now "domestic terrorists", including the ones on another part of the border twenty miles away who don't even have a sharpened pencil.

I'm so glad we have individuals like this looking out for our rights. Aren't you?

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Law would make Minutemen Guilty of 'domestic terrorism'

'Patrolling to detect alleged illegal activity' while carrying any weapon would be felony

By Jay Baggett
Posted: January 20, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2007 WorldNetDaily. com

An Arizona lawmaker has introduced a bill to revise the state's statutes on organized crime and fraud by defining "domestic terrorism" in such a way that members of the Minuteman Project or other border-patrol groups could be prosecuted and forced to serve a minimum six-month jail term.

Rep. Kyrsten Sinema, D-Phoenix, introduced HB 2286 in the Arizona House on Thursday.

Sinema, formerly of the Green Party, had earlier submitted a bill asking the legislature to make changes to a law used to prosecute customers of immigrant smugglers as conspirators under Arizona's human trafficking law.

"None of us every dreamed it would be used in a co-conspirator fashion," Sinema said.

As WND reported, it was federal inaction that motivated Arizona lawmakers to approve the new law creating the crime of smuggling in 2005. Maricopa County District Attorney Andrew Thomas announced he would interpret the law to mean illegals caught with a smuggler could be prosecuted as co-conspirators if they paid a coyote to transport them across the border.

Now, Sinema is targeting border-security groups like the Minutemen with new legislation that would define anyone not formally affiliated with law enforcement, who patrolled in search of illegal activity while armed, as a domestic terrorist. If it becomes law, the bill would impose a mandatory minimum jail sentence, even if prosecutors recommend probation.

HB 2286 reads:

Sec. 2. Title 13, chapter 23, Arizona Revised Statutes, is amended by adding section 13-2320, to read:

13-2320. Domestic terrorism; classification

A. An individual or group of individuals commits domestic terrorism if the individual or group of individuals are not affiliated with a local, state or federal law enforcement entity and associate with another individual or group of individuals as an organization, group, corporation or company for the purpose of patrolling to detect alleged illegal activity or to individually patrol for the purpose of detecting alleged illegal activity and if the individual or group of individuals is armed with a firearm or other weapon.

B. Any city, town or county that suffers injury arising out of a violation of this section may maintain an action in superior court for the recovery of damages or for an injunction, or both. The court may award the successful party reasonable attorney fees.

C. If the court sentences the defendant to a term of probation, the court shall order that as an initial condition of probation the defendant be imprisoned in the county jail for a period of not less than six months. This jail term of incarceration shall not be deferred, deleted or otherwise suspended and shall commence on the date of sentencing. This subsection does not apply to persons who are sentenced to serve a period of incarceration in the state department of corrections.

D. A violation of this section is a class 5 felony.

Sinema and other Democrat legislators joined the ACLU and the American Friends Service Committee as legal observers during the Minutemen's project on the Arizona-Mexico border in April 2005.

"I've been monitoring the Minutemen for a year now," Sinema told vigilantewatch. org at the time, "and they're just scary."
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Old 01-22-2007, 05:14 PM   #2
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Is this surprising? She is a Democrat after all.

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Old 01-22-2007, 05:16 PM   #3
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Minimum mandatory sentence for watching out for illegal invaders, but not for being one.

Amazing
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Old 01-23-2007, 05:54 PM   #4
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Suppose a Minuteman DOES use a gun, and shoots an illegal-alien woman who is pregnant while crossing the border. She survives, but loses the baby. Will Sinema throw the Minuteman in jail, or give him a medal for providing a free abortion?

Arizona voters ELECTED this person. Too much sun, maybe?
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Old 01-23-2007, 06:18 PM   #5
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In the article she stated:

"I've been monitoring the Minutemen for a year now," Sinema told vigilantewatch. org at the time, "and they're just scary." Not nearly as scary as giving someone like this the ability to make laws.
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Old 01-23-2007, 06:26 PM   #6
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Not nearly as scary as giving someone like this the ability to make laws.
Exactly.

I always thought Az was a moderate to conservative state but apparently not, since they elected this bone head.
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Old 01-23-2007, 06:38 PM   #7
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I agree that these kind of racist sectarian groups like the "minutemen" need to be watched very carefully. Alot of these immigrants that they scapegoat in a chillingly Hitleresque way are literally carrying their life savings in their pocket ahnd are very vulnerable.

And they can be easy picking for radical leftist groups like the minutemen and corrupt law enforcement agents to rob them, commit violence against them, shoot them in the ass, etc etc...

But I don't like the wording of the bill. It does not address the problem posed by these type of racist groups and seems to be aimed at owners of firearms in general and makes people criminals by association, kinda like an arbitrary anti-gang law.

It's unconstitutional IMO.

This bill will never get passed, it's just another pathetic case of political grandstanding.
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Old 01-23-2007, 06:57 PM   #8
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I agree that these kind of racist sectarian groups like the "minutemen" need to be watched very carefully. Alot of these immigrants that they scapegoat in a chillingly Hitleresque way are literally carrying their life savings in their pocket ahnd are very vulnerable.

And they can be easy picking for radical leftist groups like the minutemen and corrupt law enforcement agents to rob them, commit violence against them, shoot them in the ass, etc etc...
Out of the thousands of illegals that have been stopped.
The many cases where some dieing of thirst and hunger received care from the Minutemen.

I guess all of the good the Minutemen are doing is offset by a couple of loose cannons that gain media coverage..
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Old 01-23-2007, 07:06 PM   #9
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Could someone explain to me what minutemen actually are? From the article it seems like they are just random US citizens that sit and watch the border. Is that basically it?
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Old 01-23-2007, 07:07 PM   #10
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Could someone explain to me what minutemen actually are? From the article it seems like they are just random US citizens that sit and watch the border. Is that basically it?
Yeah, I actually believe that is it.
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Old 01-23-2007, 07:19 PM   #11
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In the article she stated:



Not nearly as scary as giving someone like this the ability to make laws.
Excellent observation and well said.

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Old 01-23-2007, 07:35 PM   #12
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And they can be easy picking for radical leftist groups
I've never been a minuteman but if I did decide to do it and some leftist pinko tried to "pick" me, I would be all over that socialists eff-tard in a heartbeat.


But I don't like the wording of the bill. It does not address the problem posed by these type of racist groups
This post by hairballxavier is the classic typical response of a liberal when he/she cannot respond logically to facts that make them uncomfortable or in this case, when they try to respond intelligently to something they know nothing about. They play the race card.

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Old 01-24-2007, 06:50 PM   #13
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I agree that these kind of racist sectarian groups like the "minutemen"
Were you about to name something - anything - they have done that is "racist"?

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need to be watched very carefully. Excellent! Come on down to the border and watch us. The more bodies we have on the border, the less likely anyone is to try to cross it illegally. Doesn't matter who or which direction they are "watching". Bring your binoculars and a cell phone. Nokias seem to work the best, coverage is spotty in many areas.

Alot of these immigrants that they scapegoat Name one.

in a chillingly Hitleresque way Took you long enough to invoke Hitler. Most hysterics get to him within about ten seconds.

are literally carrying their life savings in their pocket When true (rarely, but consider the source), they are duly turned over to the Border patrol, as usual. Did you see it done differently, anywhere?

radical leftist groups like the minutemen As I suspected, you've never been around the Minutemen, nor even talked to any of them.

But I don't like the wording of the bill. You don't like the way someone else worded something. That's entertaining!

It does not address the problem posed by these type of racist groups Of course not. It was aimed at the Minutemen, not racist groups.

and seems to be aimed at owners of firearms in general and makes people criminals by association, Welcome to liberal lawmaking. Where have you been?

It's unconstitutional IMO. Well, I'll be damned. A stopped clock IS right twice a day.

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Old 01-24-2007, 07:12 PM   #14
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This post by hairballxavier is the classic typical response of a liberal when he/she cannot respond logically to facts that make them uncomfortable or in this case, when they try to respond intelligently to something they know nothing about. They play the race card.

Kramer
Hairball just got called a liberal. Watch the Bible thumping go down as they try to prove who's the truer conservative.
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Old 01-24-2007, 08:43 PM   #15
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This is why John McCain shouldnt be president.He dont support minute men nether. If John McCain is president then terrorist would be comming in from mexico to arizona and possibly attack the superbowl event in 2008.
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Old 01-25-2007, 12:20 AM   #16
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This is why John McCain shouldnt be president.He dont support minute men nether. If John McCain is president then terrorist would be comming in from mexico to arizona and possibly attack the superbowl event in 2008.
LMAO

What color is the sky in your world?
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Old 01-25-2007, 12:29 AM   #17
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LMAO

What color is the sky in your world?
I kinda off pink with a shade of orange, or so I've heard.
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Old 01-25-2007, 12:35 AM   #18
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Man, picture the sunsets, though.
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Old 01-25-2007, 02:53 AM   #19
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LMAO

What color is the sky in your world?
Dark,,Very Dark clouds,,,

The future doesnt look so bright now does it?
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Old 01-25-2007, 03:53 AM   #20
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Interestingly, for pessimists, the world does suck. For optimists, the world is better. Attitude is everything.
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