[StitsVobsaith]

By now, everybody knows, because the Driveby Media (a wholly-owned subsidiary of the DNC) tells them, over and over again, that President Bush's approval ratings are "very low". In fact, the Driveby Media tells us his approval rating is now only 33%.

But what the Driveby Media does NOT tell us, over and over again, are the following two FACTS:

1) Hillary Clinton's approval rating is now only 36%

2) Obama's approval rating is now only 29%

Poll: Democrats Favor Clinton Over Obama, New York Senator Has 17-Point Edge Over Illinois Counterpart In Match-up Of '08 Frontrunners - CBS News

Lib Bias, anyone?

[annouhMus]

By now, everybody knows, because the Driveby Media (a wholly-owned subsidiary of the DNC) tells them, over and over again, that President Bush's approval ratings are "very low". In fact, the Driveby Media tells us his approval rating is now only 33%.

But what the Driveby Media does NOT tell us, over and over again, are the following two FACTS:

1) Hillary Clinton's approval rating is now only 36%

2) Obama's approval rating is now only 29%

Poll: Democrats Favor Clinton Over Obama, New York Senator Has 17-Point Edge Over Illinois Counterpart In Match-up Of '08 Frontrunners - CBS News

Lib Bias, anyone?

once more , you don't make a lot of sense. First of All, Hillary's approvasl rating may be telling, becsuse contrary to her words, she has been running for a long time. and she SHOULD have a higher approval rating. (I'm glad she doesn't. she would be a disaster as the Dem Candidate.)

Obama's on the other hand are reasonable because he hasn't been in the main-stream that long. Many people have no iIdea what he is about. Time will tell.

[XarokLasa]

Hillary for President campaign (if she makes it past the primary) will be a guaranteed shoe-in for the next Republican president

[SmuffNuSMaxqh]

By now, everybody knows, because the Driveby Media (a wholly-owned subsidiary of the DNC) tells them, over and over again, that President Bush's approval ratings are "very low". In fact, the Driveby Media tells us his approval rating is now only 33%.

But what the Driveby Media does NOT tell us, over and over again, are the following two FACTS:

1) Hillary Clinton's approval rating is now only 36%

2) Obama's approval rating is now only 29%

Poll: Democrats Favor Clinton Over Obama, New York Senator Has 17-Point Edge Over Illinois Counterpart In Match-up Of '08 Frontrunners - CBS News

Lib Bias, anyone?

So what you're saying is that people think Hillary is doing a better job than Bush.

Got it.

I think it's the beginning of the end for a party's hope to hold office when people start defending a sitting President's abysmal approval rating with the abysmal approval ratings of people who aren't President...

[Dfvgthyju]

By now, everybody knows, because the Driveby Media (a wholly-owned subsidiary of the DNC) tells them, over and over again, that President Bush's approval ratings are "very low". In fact, the Driveby Media tells us his approval rating is now only 33%.

But what the Driveby Media does NOT tell us, over and over again, are the following two FACTS:

1) Hillary Clinton's approval rating is now only 36%

2) Obama's approval rating is now only 29%

Poll: Democrats Favor Clinton Over Obama, New York Senator Has 17-Point Edge Over Illinois Counterpart In Match-up Of '08 Frontrunners - CBS News

Lib Bias, anyone?

STOP RIGHT THERE!!!

An Approval rating is a binary rating of how a sample group views one man/woman's job performance. So it's an anwer to the question "Do you think President Bush is doing a good job as our president?" Lately 60+ out of 100 Americans have routinely been answering "NO". The other 30+ out of 100 are answering "YES".

What you quote as an "approval rating" for Hillary and OBama is in fact just a poll to collect a favorite to be the 2008 Democratic Candidate. So the question posed in this poll is something like "Which Dem would you vote for if the 2008 primaries were today?" The answer would be Obama or Hillary or Edwards or Other..... Not exactly a yes or no answer.... That 100% of responses is comprised of 6, 7, 8 (or however many Dem Candidates there actually are) possible answers.

So you see if you were to do a real approval rating of either Hillary or Obama, the question would have to be something like "Do you think Obama is doing a good job as a U.S. Senator?" When you have statistics from a poll that answers that question, come back and try to cause an uproar.

[Xavier_Spinner_Wheels]

STOP RIGHT THERE!!!

An Approval rating is a binary rating of how a sample group views one man/woman's job performance. So it's an anwer to the question "Do you think President Bush is doing a good job as our president?" Lately 60+ out of 100 Americans have routinely been answering "NO". The other 30+ out of 100 are answering "YES".

What you quote as an "approval rating" for Hillary and OBama is in fact just a poll to collect a favorite to be the 2008 Democratic Candidate. So the question posed in this poll is something like "Which Dem would you vote for if the 2008 primaries were today?" The answer would be Obama or Hillary or Edwards or Other..... Not exactly a yes or no answer.... That 100% of responses is comprised of 6, 7, 8 (or however many Dem Candidates there actually are) possible answers.

So you see if you were to do a real approval rating of either Hillary or Obama, the question would have to be something like "Do you think Obama is doing a good job as a U.S. Senator?" When you have statistics from a poll that answers that question, come back and try to cause an uproar.

The op based his username from a horrible disease. He's just trying to live up to his username.

[StitsVobsaith]

So what you're saying is that people think Hillary is doing a better job than Bush.

Got it.

Yep, by a whopping 3%. Whoop de doo....

And also what I'm saying is that people think Bush is doing a better job than Obama, by a 4% margin.

[StitsVobsaith]

What you quote as an "approval rating" for Hillary and OBama is in fact just a poll to collect a favorite to be the 2008 Democratic Candidate.

Nope, because the CBS poll data for Hillary and Obama was among ALL AMERICANS, not just registered Democrats.

And what the CBSNews poll shows is that Hillary only has a 36% approval among ALL AMERICANS (NOT just among Democrats!) and Obama is even worse off, with only a 29% approval rating among ALL AMERICANS (NOT just among Democrats!), Mr. Boy Scout.

You may not LIKE those poll numbers, but that IS what CBSNews found with their poll, sir.

[JTS_tv]

You're just embarrassing yourself at this point.

Note that not anyone from either side of the aisle is backing you up on this? That's because they know as well that your interpretation of these numbers is just plain wrong.

[StitsVobsaith]

You're just unable to refute those CBSNews poll numbers, pramjockey.

Plus their poll findings trouble you, because they show that Hillary hardly ranks any higher than Bush does, and your beloved Obama ranks even LOWER than President Bush!

And those are the two leading contenders from the Democrat Party for the 2008 presidential race!!

How embarrassing for you, pramjockey.

[JTS_tv]

Whatever. Believe what you want.

Todd? Eric? Varus? Can one of you guys explain to him how he's not understanding the numbers?

[StitsVobsaith]

Oh wait, let me guess, pramjockey:

You BELIEVE the CBSNews poll findings when they show President Bush's approval rating at 33%, but you "don't believe it" when that same poll showed Hillary's approval at only 36% and Obama's approval rating at a dismal 29%. How amusing.

BTW, Bush's poll numbers are probably going to RISE in the wake of his speech tonight, with the likely result that his approval number will not only be higher than Obama's, but also higher than Hillary's.

And meanwhile, you are reduced to BEGGING Todd and Eric and others to try to help you understand why Obama's approval number is now (according to CBSNews poll findings) LOWER than that for President Bush.

That finding TROUBLES you; you can't believe it; you can't explain it; you don't WANT to believe it. It doesn't fit your tidy little worldview. Gosh, if it had only been FOXNews that conducted the poll, THEN maybe you could have dissed it. But (unfortunately for you) it's from none other than CBSNews, one of your "trustworthy" sources of "news".

Oh well.....

[JTS_tv]

I'm going to try this one last time.

OK, now, a poll about Bush's job rating will turn up something like 33% approve, 62% disapprove, and 5% don't have an opinion. In this situation, Bush's approval rating is 33%, because that's the number that actually gave that response, and because almost all of the individuals polled have an opinion one way or the other. Of people with an opinion, there's an overwhelming majority (about 2:1) of people who disapprove to people who approve.

The poll you're citing said a couple things. One thing that you seem to be completely oblivious to, even though you posted it yourself, was that the poll said that the majority of people with an opinion have a favorable opinion of Obama. The next thing to notice is that a full 40% of the people who responded to the poll had absolutely no opinion about Obama. Finally, this poll was a "select the candidate" poll, where people are given a list of potential candidates, and they pick the one individual for whom they'd prefer to vote for for POTUS. Now, given that there were likely 5 or 6 names on there, and given that it's VERY early in the election cycle, it's not unexpected that the numbers would be fairly spread out, without on individual far in front. Thus, 36/100 people chose Clinton, 29/100 people chose Obama, and 35/100 people chose one of the other people on the list. It's not an approve/disapprove poll.

Do you see it now?

[Lydiaswingert]

You're just unable to refute those CBSNews poll numbers, pramjockey.

Plus their poll findings trouble you, because they show that Hillary hardly ranks any higher than Bush does, and your beloved Obama ranks even LOWER than President Bush!

And those are the two leading contenders from the Democrat Party for the 2008 presidential race!!

How embarrassing for you, pramjockey.

You're way off the mark with respect to Obama, as he does much better than Clinton and Bush in terms of unfavorability/disaproval.

[Lydiaswingert]

Finally, this poll was a "select the candidate" poll, where people are given a list of potential candidates, and they pick the one individual for whom they'd prefer to vote for for POTUS. Now, given that there were likely 5 or 6 names on there, and given that it's VERY early in the election cycle, it's not unexpected that the numbers would be fairly spread out, without on individual far in front. Thus, 36/100 people chose Clinton, 29/100 people chose Obama, and 35/100 people chose one of the other people on the list. It's not an approve/disapprove poll.

Do you see it now?

You sure about that? Appears to me that it's both.

[JTS_tv]

OPINION OF …
(Among Democratic Primary Voters)

CLINTON

Favorable
57%
Not favorable
12%
Undecided
27%
Don’t know enough yet
3%

OBAMA

Favorable
40%
Not favorable
3%
Undecided
16%
Don’t know enough yet
40%

[Lydiaswingert]

Clinton, D-N.Y., gets mixed reviews from the overall voting public, but is very popular with Democrats.

Among all registered voters, she is viewed favorably by 36 percent and unfavorably by the same number. However, 57 percent of Democratic primary voters have a favorable opinion of her, while 12 percent are not favorable.


Obama, still in his first term in the Senate, remains unknown to many voters, including Democrats, but those with an opinion like him.

Among all registered voters, 29 percent view him favorably and 9 percent unfavorably. Forty-one percent say they don't know enough about him to form an opinion.

[JTS_tv]

Right. 41% have no opinion. Hard to compare his 9% negative rating against Bush's 60+%.

[masaredera]

By now, everybody knows, because the Driveby Media (a wholly-owned subsidiary of the DNC) tells them, over and over again, that President Bush's approval ratings are "very low". In fact, the Driveby Media tells us his approval rating is now only 33%.

But what the Driveby Media does NOT tell us, over and over again, are the following two FACTS:

1) Hillary Clinton's approval rating is now only 36%

2) Obama's approval rating is now only 29%

Poll: Democrats Favor Clinton Over Obama, New York Senator Has 17-Point Edge Over Illinois Counterpart In Match-up Of '08 Frontrunners - CBS News

Lib Bias, anyone?

Not really. There are at least 15-20 democratic hopefuls. Given that fact, 36% and 29% approval ratings are actually quite high.

Andrew

[mpzoFeJs]

Yep, by a whopping 3%. Whoop de doo....

And also what I'm saying is that people think Bush is doing a better job than Obama, by a 4% margin.

And you're proud of that margin? You should be, 'cause it's all you've got!


How can anyone continue to support the bush crime family? How?