[Alexeric]

I love the thinking that is formulating out of the haters.

Apparently the President and his liberal pinko commie friends will be to blame should terrorists strike America because of the enormous success by George W. Bush to find and kill Bin Laden.

I'm pretty sure that the people who wish to do harm to America weren't waiting for America to kill Bin Laden first in order to get really-super-duper angry.

But leave the sentimental neo-cons like Dick Cheney to cry this week about the wrath that would befall us should we pack up and come home from Afghanistan.

[ebonytipchik]

I was among that minority, which was incidentally about the same number of people who claim to be atheists in America.

Chew on that.

Interesting. You were against going after Bin Laden, but now that Obama ordered the raid that killed Bin Laden, you're singing the praises of the action 24/7.

Hypocrisy, partisanship, or a blend of the two?

[krek-sikUp]

I was among that minority, which was incidentally about the same number of people who claim to be atheists in America.

Chew on that.

Great, you're like Meadhall Pirate without the fantastic hindsight.

[krek-sikUp]

hail CYDharta,

we all have hindsight, matey. mine be based on what i've seen come to pass o'er the last ten years 'o me life....i look back on the journey we've sailed and i have found it kinda errant.

i think its okies fer me to make that observation, and hopefully we'll learn from it next time we set our compass towards the future.

- MeadHallPirate

It's a relatively free country, you can make useless observations if you want. Just seems to me to be, well, useless. Try applying that reasoning next time we get involved in a foreign conflict with no upside for the US.

Too late, we're already fighting in Libya.

[incimisiche]

Let's not forget that Qaddafi and bin Laden have a lot in common. They've both murdered a lot of Americans. I don't believe there should be a statute of limitations on war crimes. If we've got an opportunity to get Qaddafi, we should take it.

[Galsteinbok]

This is absolutely ridiculous. Iraq had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11. Even Bush said that at first, of course, by the end he was searching for any reason and had told so many lies he couldn't keep track of them so he threw that one in too.

OBL killed 3000 Americans on American soil. Pakistan had officially declared him a criminal under sentence of death and they are officially our allies so we did them a favor.

If John Wilkes Booth had fled to England and Scotland Yard had killed him in the arrest process I don't think we'd have objected too much.

The only reason for this thread is to distract attention from the undeniable fact that your Fearless Leader couldn't catch him after 8 years, thousands of lives, torturing people and bankrupting the country in two wars. Ours did it in two with no casualties and at a cost of one helicopter. Republicans/conservatives in this respect are a bunch of incompetent fools at best and there's just no way of getting around that, no matter how hard you wriggle and squirm

[ebonytipchik]

This is absolutely ridiculous. Iraq had nothing whatsoever to do with 9/11. Even Bush said that at first, of course, by the end he was searching for any reason and had told so many lies he couldn't keep track of them so he threw that one in too.

OBL killed 3000 Americans on American soil. Pakistan had officially declared him a criminal under sentence of death and they are officially our allies so we did them a favor.

If John Wilkes Booth had fled to England and Scotland Yard had killed him in the arrest process I don't think we'd have objected too much.

The only reason for this thread is to distract attention from the undeniable fact that your Fearless Leader couldn't catch him after 8 years, thousands of lives, torturing people and bankrupting the country in two wars. Ours did it in two with no casualties and at a cost of one helicopter. Republicans/conservatives in this respect are a bunch of incompetent fools at best and there's just no way of getting around that, no matter how hard you wriggle and squirm

Your post was going along quite well, when you veered off the path of intelligent analysis and stepped in this huge pile of partisan horseshit on the road.....

[pfcwlkxav]

It's a relatively free country, you can make useless observations if you want. Just seems to me to be, well, useless. Try applying that reasoning next time we get involved in a foreign conflict with no upside for the US.

Too late, we're already fighting in Libya.

ahoy CYDdharta,

heh, alrighty matey. i don't know what yer so vexed o'er the idear that one waits to see the results 'o an action to judge whether the cost justifies the result.

i thought the idear 'o sendin' US forces into Afghanistan was a just decision, though i came to think differently 'o the course we charted thar last year. i was never convinced that the Iraq was a wise policy decision and questioned it here fer many years.

i don't think we had any interest in Libya and have been expecially against our skipper goin' it alone. i can understand our country supportin' the edict 'o NATO, but thats about it.

aye?

- MeadHallPirate

[Amirmsheesk]

... you on the left should be up in arms over this new recruiting tool set off by Obama...

..the OP was about you liberals all up in arms about Bush's Clubgetmo being the biggest AQ recruiting too and once Obama took office, it miraculously was not a recruiting tool for AQ anymore..

...and not one word said about that from you liberals,

But you liberals are all now OK with Clubgetmo..

you liberal bitch ..

To whom are you addressing this tirade? Links to this "liberal bitching", or it didn't happen. You keep addressing "you liberals", but I don't know who you're talking to.

[attishina]

To whom are you addressing this tirade? Links to this "liberal bitching", or it didn't happen. You keep addressing "you liberals", but I don't know who you're talking to.

Jefe, it's true though.

Senate Democrats Reject Obama's Request for Funds to Close Guantanamo Bay Prison - washingtonpost.com

Obama campaigned on closing Gitmo, but now, he's basically forced to acknowledge that interrogations have resulted in some credible information that has helped us in the War on Terror.

The reason he campaigned on this and began his administration with this intent was due to pressure from the left.

[compiit]

Remember all on the left claiming Bush's Clubgetmo was the largest AQ recruiting tool ever. Of course when Obama came into office Clubgetmo miraculously was no more a problem.

Now we have another recruiting tool. Killing of OBL. Now I never believed for a second Clubgetmo was ever a recruiting tool for AQ and if so, I could care less. But now AQ has announced they are going to take revenge and it would seems that killing OBL is the next big recruiting tool. But for me I could give a rats ass and am damn glad the bastard is dead

But you on the left should be up in arms over this new recruiting tool set off by Obama. Just saying.

AQ vows revenge:

Al-Qaida vows revenge for Osama bin Laden's death - Yahoo! News

Well, I see Gitmo and anything else we do in regards to terrorists as a recruiting tool. They would be really stupid NOT to use what we do as a recruiting tool But so what? We should pay no attention to this fact, and move ahead and destroy these terrorists.

Hell, everytime we bombed Germany in WW2, killing civilians, that was a tool to be used by Hitler to cheerlead the Germans. I hate to be a bearer of bad news, of reality, but that is how this shit works. And has always worked. Anyone who does not want to do certain things because it can be used as a recruiting tool, for our enemy is a fry short of a happy meal. And god help us if these sorts ever are depended upon to defend America. They are better suited doing other jobs, that don't require courage and guts. Most would make good yard boys though, where the only enemy are the weeds that must be plucked up.

[incimisiche]

That's exactly right. Worrying about what increases recruitment is nonsensical. There is no way to predict what will and what will not increase recruitment. And in any case, recruitment isn't the important thing to worry about. It's effectiveness. As we've seen, 19 well trained, disciplined terrorists, directed by a well-funded leadership are more dangerous than even a million pissed off, directionless Arabs.

[pfcwlkxav]

Jefe, it's true though.

Senate Democrats Reject Obama's Request for Funds to Close Guantanamo Bay Prison - washingtonpost.com

Obama campaigned on closing Gitmo, but now, he's basically forced to acknowledge that interrogations have resulted in some credible information that has helped us in the War on Terror.

The reason he campaigned on this and began his administration with this intent was due to pressure from the left.

ahoy Occam's Razor,

hail me fellow North Carolinian swabby! i don't know that all who dwell on the left side 'o the aisle had thar hair on fire o'er Gitmo, though 'tis true a great many thought 'twas a blight on our mighty nation.

certainly them who be in the press, whether it be the scribed word or the tele, hath taken the president to task fer keepin' it open.

what i find curious 'bout Forplay's rant be that ye would think that he, of all people, would credit the maturity and pragmatism 'o Mr. Obama fer seein' the value in Gitmo and keepin' it operational...fer surely Forplay condones the use 'o torture and the use 'o the dark arts we hath used at our base in Cuba.

- MeadHallPirate

[ebonytipchik]

I really don't see Bin Laden's death as a recruiting tool for AQ.

Before Bin Laden's death, AQ wanted to kill you and your children because you were Infidels who did blah blah blah.
After Bin Laden's death, AQ wants to kill you and your children because you are Infidels who did blah blah blah (and killed Bin Laden).

It's not like AQ was a knitting circle before Bin Laden became chum, and now they're reluctantly sharpening their beheading knives and looking for defenseless captives to mutilate.

[Amirmsheesk]

Jefe, it's true though.

Senate Democrats Reject Obama's Request for Funds to Close Guantanamo Bay Prison - washingtonpost.com

Obama campaigned on closing Gitmo, but now, he's basically forced to acknowledge that interrogations have resulted in some credible information that has helped us in the War on Terror.

The reason he campaigned on this and began his administration with this intent was due to pressure from the left.

So, when Forplay refers to "you liberals", he's speaking to Obama and the Senate Democrats, right?

It would just be nice to know who he's speaking to. His use of "you liberals" makes it sound like he had a few forum members in mind when he started the thread. Just wondering who that was.

[compiit]

I really don't see Bin Laden's death as a recruiting tool for AQ.

Before Bin Laden's death, AQ wanted to kill you and your children because you were Infidels who did blah blah blah.
After Bin Laden's death, AQ wants to kill you and your children because you are Infidels who did blah blah blah (and killed Bin Laden).

It's not like AQ was a knitting circle before Bin Laden became chum, and now they're reluctantly sharpening their beheading knives and looking for defenseless captives to mutilate.

Uh, IF, the terrorists took out an American Pres. would this be a recruiting tool for America? Damn right it would. A.Q. is no different.

But personally I don't care what A.Q. uses as recruiting tools. And neither should any other American.

[attishina]

ahoy Occam's Razor,

hail me fellow North Carolinian swabby!

I didn't realize you were in NC. Cool

i don't know that all who dwell on the left side 'o the aisle had thar hair on fire o'er Gitmo, though 'tis true a great many thought 'twas a blight on our mighty nation.

certainly them who be in the press, whether it be the scribed word or the tele, hath taken the president to task fer keepin' it open.

what i find curious 'bout Forplay's rant be that ye would think that he, of all people, would credit the maturity and pragmatism 'o Mr. Obama fer seein' the value in Gitmo and keepin' it operational...fer surely Forplay condones the use 'o torture and the use 'o the dark arts we hath used at our base in Cuba.

- MeadHallPirate

Gitmo is definitely a slippery slope, which is why some scrutiny is necessary to keep things from going too far, but of course, what is defined as "too far" is dependent on your perspective.

I will say that Obama should receive some credit for being willing to adapt his stances to what the War on Terror requires. He's not an ideologue, which is a good thing. At the same time though, I understand the right's frustration with how a double standard seems to be in place regarding what tactics are acceptable to use.

[ebonytipchik]

Uh, IF, the terrorists took out an American Pres. would this be a recruiting tool for America? Damn right it would. A.Q. is no different.

But personally I don't care what A.Q. uses as recruiting tools. And neither should any other American.

I agree completely.

[incimisiche]

In regards to bin laden's death as a recruiting tool, who knows? On one hand, his martyrdom might inspire radicals. On the other, it could demoralize them. From press reports, Zawahiri, his likely successor, is a divisive figure within Al Qaeda. Even if you believe in a cause, are you willing to work towards that cause taking orders from someone you don't trust?

[attishina]

So, when Forplay refers to "you liberals", he's speaking to Obama and the Senate Democrats, right?

It would just be nice to know who he's speaking to. His use of "you liberals" makes it sound like he had a few forum members in mind when he started the thread. Just wondering who that was.

Fair points. Like conservatives, liberals aren't homogeneous. But yes, Obama and the majority of Democrats in Congress pressured Bush to close Gitmo, but after Obama entered the presidency, that pressure slowly subsided.