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03-04-2011, 08:15 AM | #21 |
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The incredible hypocrisy. |
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03-04-2011, 03:39 PM | #22 |
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Really dick? who is it that says we need drive smaller cars? Who is it that says we must buy health insurance or be fined? Who is it that we can't smoke? Who is it saying what we can and cannot eat? It's definitely not the Conservatives. Oh, perhaps there's sufficient meddling to go around? |
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03-04-2011, 04:04 PM | #23 |
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No, the liberals want you to pay your fair share of the cost of government. The rich are the ones who want a free ride. If you have 2 people using roughly the same amount of government services and one makes 4 times what the other does then you liberals want the higher earner to pay more for those services. In fact, you want those higher earners to pay for services that OTHER people (many of whom don't pay any taxes) use. |
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03-04-2011, 04:04 PM | #24 |
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No, the liberals want you to pay your fair share of the cost of government. The rich are the ones who want a free ride. I, and those like me, pay way more than our fair share of the cost of the government. The "free riders" are the ones who pay little or nothing, and yet enjoy all the benefits of government. As proof, what would happen if the 47% of the population that doesn't pay income taxes emigrated to Europe? Taxes for the rest of us could go down, as we could greatly reduce the size of government. If the top 53% of the population emigrated to Europe, the others would likely starve while they awaited their government check, which would never again come. "Free ride", indeed. |
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03-04-2011, 04:11 PM | #25 |
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That's simply not true. |
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03-04-2011, 07:47 PM | #26 |
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Most people just want to live their own lives and leave others alone...they simply don't care enough, one way or the other, to make the considerable effort necessary to oppress people. |
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04-04-2011, 11:59 AM | #28 |
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Which is why some folks see things like weakening unions as a good thing as (right or wrong) they see unions as another oppressor. No they don't. They want me to pay my designated share and a portion of someone else's share. The wealthy will always pay a larger portion of income tax, as long as they have the majority of the wealth. There is only one real solution to that equation, raise the wages of the lower classes to reduce the income gap. |
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04-04-2011, 01:32 PM | #29 |
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That's simply not true. Is a Stock Broker worth a 100 garbage collectors... Is a person working 3 jobs and 80 hours a week not deserve from society basic healthcare or is there worth less than that? Are you equating value to society with money earned. If you are can you see the flaws in your argument? Without rolling out the Paris Hiltons or Linsay Lohans can you see where you are rewarding being born lucky rather than effort... |
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04-04-2011, 02:46 PM | #30 |
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Your premise is stating that what one earns is their value to society. This could be questioned in many cases. Let's take that one step farther; the money I make is only partly determined by the compensation I get for working. I also make money based on decisions I have made regarding what I do with the money I earn. If I have extra money from compensation for my labor I tend to invest it. That is I provide that money to other people as capital so that they can try out some of their ideas on how to create value for other people. I expect a return on that money and, If I make good decisions on how viable their ideas are they can then afford to pay me a premium for the use of my money. Essentially, I can build personal wealth by helping other people explore their potential to make wealth for themselves. |
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04-04-2011, 02:56 PM | #31 |
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Seems the Koch owned GOP in Wisconsin are started to get the comeuppance. How bout those cheese-heads, great going! |
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04-04-2011, 03:54 PM | #32 |
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It isn't gonna happen. Everything we are hearing out of our neighbor to the east is that the majority supported the gov through this ordeal. In a nutshell the northern half of the state is usually fairly conservative and the southern half of the state (including Madison and Milwaukee) is fairly liberal. So I think it just depends who you talk to. However, from what I've seen, poll after poll shows the citizens supporting the unions at roughly the ~60% mark. |
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04-04-2011, 07:26 PM | #33 |
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That's not what I'm saying at all. The compensation I earn for my work isn't determined by society. It's determined by the people that I do work for. If they value my work more they pay me more. Our system is not fair, it tries to be but it ends up being unequal. So we have to look at the whole picture... there is individuals who do take more without ever considering putting back. But I would suggest there is people also (through bad circumstances or bad luck) could end up working 3 minimum wage jobs and still not be able to make ends meet. They want health insurance but society has dictate through finance that they will not get what is a necessity of life. |
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05-04-2011, 01:27 PM | #34 |
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Bullshit. Truth is, if not for those folks who make around min wage, the rich would die of starvation! Or never change clothes, couldn't buy a soft drink, the list is damn near endless. Slavery would have to raise its ugly head again. |
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05-04-2011, 03:29 PM | #35 |
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But, if the 47 per cent left, you would have to do all of those menial labor jobs yourself! You would be up shit creek without a paddle. Might even have to make your own coffee, and we can't have that! |
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05-04-2011, 03:50 PM | #36 |
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Really dick? who is it that says we need drive smaller cars? Who is it that says we must buy health insurance or be fined? Who is it that we can't smoke? Who is it saying what we can and cannot eat? It's definitely not the Conservatives. On health care. No one can afford it and now no one can afford the premiums to help offset the costs and most catastrophic health issues put most middle class families into bankruptcy. I do not agree with the mandate. What we should have is a more civilized single payer system along with tort reform. I am a smoker and I have no problem with the indoor smoking laws. They make sense and taxing it the way they do is a great revenue stream for the states. As far as food is concerned, you do realize that a lot of what goes into our food is poison (read: preservatives) and many additives have been linked to cancer. All they want is to keep that stuff out of food a well as make the companies that produce this food to be more transparent about what they put into it. We have a right to know exactly what we are putting into our bodies. Conservatives just want to turn this country into China. They want us to be complacent slave laborers with no rights. |
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05-04-2011, 03:56 PM | #37 |
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Who is it, exactly, who is telling everyone else how to live? Who is it, exactly, who is carrying on a culture war? |
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05-04-2011, 04:10 PM | #39 |
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11-04-2011, 10:20 PM | #40 |
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Yes, the GOP has stepped on it here. There was also an article about the national firemens and Cops unions telling the GOP that they will be moving their support from the GOP and to more Democrats in the 2012 election. The Koch Bros. are Libertarians that understand what tyranny (read: progressive liberalism) looks like & they are willing to spend their own money in an attempt to stop it in its tracks. How ultra-conservative can they be? They fund NOVA on PBS fer cryin' out load. Note: THEY fund it with THEIR money. Big difference between that & tax payer funding of National (Dem) Party Radio. As opposed to the Democrat party that is owned, lock stock & barrel by satan's little helper, George Soros. |
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