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Old 03-04-2011, 08:15 AM   #21
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The incredible hypocrisy.

You are exactly right, John, I just want to live my own life and leave others alone...

but the liberals want to take half of what I earn and redistribute it to those who vote democrat.
No, the liberals want you to pay your fair share of the cost of government. The rich are the ones who want a free ride.
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Old 03-04-2011, 03:39 PM   #22
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Really dick? who is it that says we need drive smaller cars? Who is it that says we must buy health insurance or be fined? Who is it that we can't smoke? Who is it saying what we can and cannot eat? It's definitely not the Conservatives.
Who is it that peers into the bedroom? Who is it that says what god we must worship? Who is it that says what books we can't read, music we can't listen to?

Oh, perhaps there's sufficient meddling to go around?
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Old 03-04-2011, 04:04 PM   #23
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No, the liberals want you to pay your fair share of the cost of government. The rich are the ones who want a free ride.
That's simply not true.

If you have 2 people using roughly the same amount of government services and one makes 4 times what the other does then you liberals want the higher earner to pay more for those services. In fact, you want those higher earners to pay for services that OTHER people (many of whom don't pay any taxes) use.
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Old 03-04-2011, 04:04 PM   #24
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No, the liberals want you to pay your fair share of the cost of government. The rich are the ones who want a free ride.
Bullshit.

I, and those like me, pay way more than our fair share of the cost of the government. The "free riders" are the ones who pay little or nothing, and yet enjoy all the benefits of government.

As proof, what would happen if the 47% of the population that doesn't pay income taxes emigrated to Europe? Taxes for the rest of us could go down, as we could greatly reduce the size of government.

If the top 53% of the population emigrated to Europe, the others would likely starve while they awaited their government check, which would never again come.

"Free ride", indeed.
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Old 03-04-2011, 04:11 PM   #25
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That's simply not true.

If you have 2 people using roughly the same amount of government services and one makes 4 times what the other does then you liberals want the higher earner to pay more for those services. In fact, you want those higher earners to pay for services that OTHER people (many of whom don't pay any taxes) use.
I don't know why we bother, lutherf. Drake's line of "reasoning" is obviously flawed, and he knows it, but to justify his political views, he contorts reality into a world where the rich are "free riders".
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Old 03-04-2011, 07:47 PM   #26
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Most people just want to live their own lives and leave others alone...they simply don't care enough, one way or the other, to make the considerable effort necessary to oppress people.
Which is why some folks see things like weakening unions as a good thing as (right or wrong) they see unions as another oppressor.
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Old 03-04-2011, 07:50 PM   #27
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.. the liberals want you to pay your fair share of the cost of government.
No they don't. They want me to pay my designated share and a portion of someone else's share.
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Old 04-04-2011, 11:59 AM   #28
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Which is why some folks see things like weakening unions as a good thing as (right or wrong) they see unions as another oppressor.
There are no limits on ignorance.

No they don't. They want me to pay my designated share and a portion of someone else's share.
I want people to pay for the cost of our government based on the capacity to pay. If you're wealthy you have more capacity. It's that simple really. $100 out of Donald Trump's wallet has a much lesser impact on his spending capacity that it does mine, heck I don't even have $100 in my wallet. That's about my spending capacity for an entire week.

The wealthy will always pay a larger portion of income tax, as long as they have the majority of the wealth. There is only one real solution to that equation, raise the wages of the lower classes to reduce the income gap.
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Old 04-04-2011, 01:32 PM   #29
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That's simply not true.

If you have 2 people using roughly the same amount of government services and one makes 4 times what the other does then you liberals want the higher earner to pay more for those services. In fact, you want those higher earners to pay for services that OTHER people (many of whom don't pay any taxes) use.
Your premise is stating that what one earns is their value to society. This could be questioned in many cases.

Is a Stock Broker worth a 100 garbage collectors... Is a person working 3 jobs and 80 hours a week not deserve from society basic healthcare or is there worth less than that?

Are you equating value to society with money earned. If you are can you see the flaws in your argument? Without rolling out the Paris Hiltons or Linsay Lohans can you see where you are rewarding being born lucky rather than effort...
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Old 04-04-2011, 02:46 PM   #30
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Your premise is stating that what one earns is their value to society. This could be questioned in many cases.

Is a Stock Broker worth a 100 garbage collectors... Is a person working 3 jobs and 80 hours a week not deserve from society basic healthcare or is there worth less than that?

Are you equating value to society with money earned. If you are can you see the flaws in your argument? Without rolling out the Paris Hiltons or Linsay Lohans can you see where you are rewarding being born lucky rather than effort...
That's not what I'm saying at all. The compensation I earn for my work isn't determined by society. It's determined by the people that I do work for. If they value my work more they pay me more.

Let's take that one step farther; the money I make is only partly determined by the compensation I get for working. I also make money based on decisions I have made regarding what I do with the money I earn. If I have extra money from compensation for my labor I tend to invest it. That is I provide that money to other people as capital so that they can try out some of their ideas on how to create value for other people. I expect a return on that money and, If I make good decisions on how viable their ideas are they can then afford to pay me a premium for the use of my money. Essentially, I can build personal wealth by helping other people explore their potential to make wealth for themselves.
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Old 04-04-2011, 02:56 PM   #31
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Seems the Koch owned GOP in Wisconsin are started to get the comeuppance. How bout those cheese-heads, great going!

Dan Kapanke Recall Effort Garners Sufficient Signatures, Wisconsin Democrats Say
It isn't gonna happen. Everything we are hearing out of our neighbor to the east is that the majority supported the gov through this ordeal.
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Old 04-04-2011, 03:54 PM   #32
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It isn't gonna happen. Everything we are hearing out of our neighbor to the east is that the majority supported the gov through this ordeal.
I think its just a matter of who you talk to. I lived in WI for almost 10 years, and almost all of my friends from there who I have talked to recently support the unions more than the governor.

In a nutshell the northern half of the state is usually fairly conservative and the southern half of the state (including Madison and Milwaukee) is fairly liberal. So I think it just depends who you talk to.

However, from what I've seen, poll after poll shows the citizens supporting the unions at roughly the ~60% mark.
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Old 04-04-2011, 07:26 PM   #33
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That's not what I'm saying at all. The compensation I earn for my work isn't determined by society. It's determined by the people that I do work for. If they value my work more they pay me more.

Let's take that one step farther; the money I make is only partly determined by the compensation I get for working. I also make money based on decisions I have made regarding what I do with the money I earn. If I have extra money from compensation for my labor I tend to invest it. That is I provide that money to other people as capital so that they can try out some of their ideas on how to create value for other people. I expect a return on that money and, If I make good decisions on how viable their ideas are they can then afford to pay me a premium for the use of my money. Essentially, I can build personal wealth by helping other people explore their potential to make wealth for themselves.
But would you agree that effort and compensation are in perfect symmetry. Is there not jobs there that if not done would cause great affliction on society. Lets look at a fireman, the best fireman could save a 100 lives in a year and he receives no extra pay while a CEO can get a bonus while still making bad decisions each year.

Our system is not fair, it tries to be but it ends up being unequal.

So we have to look at the whole picture... there is individuals who do take more without ever considering putting back. But I would suggest there is people also (through bad circumstances or bad luck) could end up working 3 minimum wage jobs and still not be able to make ends meet. They want health insurance but society has dictate through finance that they will not get what is a necessity of life.
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Old 05-04-2011, 01:27 PM   #34
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Bullshit.

I, and those like me, pay way more than our fair share of the cost of the government. The "free riders" are the ones who pay little or nothing, and yet enjoy all the benefits of government.

As proof, what would happen if the 47% of the population that doesn't pay income taxes emigrated to Europe? Taxes for the rest of us could go down, as we could greatly reduce the size of government.

If the top 53% of the population emigrated to Europe, the others would likely starve while they awaited their government check, which would never again come.

"Free ride", indeed.
But, if the 47 per cent left, you would have to do all of those menial labor jobs yourself! You would be up shit creek without a paddle. Might even have to make your own coffee, and we can't have that!

Truth is, if not for those folks who make around min wage, the rich would die of starvation! Or never change clothes, couldn't buy a soft drink, the list is damn near endless. Slavery would have to raise its ugly head again.
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Old 05-04-2011, 03:29 PM   #35
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But, if the 47 per cent left, you would have to do all of those menial labor jobs yourself! You would be up shit creek without a paddle. Might even have to make your own coffee, and we can't have that!

Truth is, if not for those folks who make around min wage, the rich would die of starvation! Or never change clothes, couldn't buy a soft drink, the list is damn near endless. Slavery would have to raise its ugly head again.
Bull, we can always hire more illegals.
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Old 05-04-2011, 03:50 PM   #36
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Really dick? who is it that says we need drive smaller cars? Who is it that says we must buy health insurance or be fined? Who is it that we can't smoke? Who is it saying what we can and cannot eat? It's definitely not the Conservatives.
You got that wrong. Liberals do not want to force you to buy smaller cars. What they want is better mileage and to give people the option to buy vehicles that do not use gas.

On health care. No one can afford it and now no one can afford the premiums to help offset the costs and most catastrophic health issues put most middle class families into bankruptcy. I do not agree with the mandate. What we should have is a more civilized single payer system along with tort reform.

I am a smoker and I have no problem with the indoor smoking laws. They make sense and taxing it the way they do is a great revenue stream for the states.

As far as food is concerned, you do realize that a lot of what goes into our food is poison (read: preservatives) and many additives have been linked to cancer. All they want is to keep that stuff out of food a well as make the companies that produce this food to be more transparent about what they put into it. We have a right to know exactly what we are putting into our bodies.

Conservatives just want to turn this country into China. They want us to be complacent slave laborers with no rights.
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Old 05-04-2011, 03:56 PM   #37
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Who is it, exactly, who is telling everyone else how to live? Who is it, exactly, who is carrying on a culture war?

Not the liberals, thats a fer shure.
Not the liberals my ass. Both so-called liberals and conservatives are quite guilty of telling other people how to live. If you don't see that you aren't grounded in reality.
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Old 05-04-2011, 03:58 PM   #38
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No, the liberals want you to pay your fair share of the cost of government. The rich are the ones who want a free ride.
Welfare queens are rich?
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Old 05-04-2011, 04:10 PM   #39
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Welfare queens are rich?
Just how many welfare queens are there? Just how many women roll up to the welfare office in their Escalades?

The haters talk about em, but they never have the facts to back em up.

Unless perhaps you have some actual... you know... facts?
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Old 11-04-2011, 10:20 PM   #40
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Yes, the GOP has stepped on it here. There was also an article about the national firemens and Cops unions telling the GOP that they will be moving their support from the GOP and to more Democrats in the 2012 election.

As I said, liberals have awakened from their usual 'live and let live' way of life, and are pissed. Pissed enough to make 2012 another landslide for the real people of the US, and not the GOP/Tea Party owned by the Koch brothers.


The Koch Bros. are Libertarians that understand what tyranny (read: progressive liberalism) looks like & they are willing to spend their own money in an attempt to stop it in its tracks. How ultra-conservative can they be? They fund NOVA on PBS fer cryin' out load. Note: THEY fund it with THEIR money. Big difference between that & tax payer funding of National (Dem) Party Radio.

As opposed to the Democrat party that is owned, lock stock & barrel by satan's little helper, George Soros.

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