[Laqswrnm]

America is not a christian nation, its a secular nation

No. America is a Christian nation with a secular government.

[8cyVn4RJ]

No. America is a Christian nation with a secular government.

It is? Where's that Christianity found in the Constitution?

[kranfid]

No. America is a Christian nation with a secular government.

the majority of the people are christian, but that does not make it a christian nation,

and how ironic that your name is john locke

[JacksHH]

A lot more of you communists? Since I am for what America stands for, that must mean that you are against what America stands for.

A lot more of us conservatives. Whatever you stand for, certainly isn't America.

[beloveds]

Not only is America not a "Christian nation," the principles on which this country was founded are antithetical to the doctrines of most traditional Christian denominations, including Catholicism, mainline Protestantism, and definitely the evangelical denominations. (They are not however contrary to the teachings of Jesus, so something that could be legitimately called Christianity might not conflict.)

What I means is this. Traditional Christianity includes as one of its key tenets a denial of religious plurality. According to traditional Christian doctrine, only Christianity has religious truth. All other religions are either errors or deceits of the Devil. Free thought, free inquiry, freedom of expression, freedom of religion, all of these are anathema to traditional Christianity. The closest that a traditional Christian can come to these American ideals is to create not a happy fusion but an uneasy juxtaposition, so as to say, in effect, "You are against God and you will burn in hell forever but I believe you have the right to believe whatever diabolical nonsense you choose." Adherence to American ideals such as religious freedom must exist in conflict with the dictates of Christian doctrine where a person tries to believe in both.

Because America is a pluralistic, tolerant nation where free thought, free expression, and religious freedom are sacred, it can accommodate even such an authoritarian faith as traditional Christianity, but the reverse is not true. Put Christianity in charge, and all American values are lost. American can be a nation in which a majority of the people are (at least nominally) Christian. It cannot be a "Christian nation" and remain America.

[Laqswrnm]

Not only is America not a "Christian nation," the principles on which this country was founded are antithetical to the doctrines of most traditional Christian denominations

John Locke was the single most referenced source during the Constitutional debates - other than the Bible.

[Laqswrnm]

Because America is a pluralistic, tolerant nation where free thought, free expression, and religious freedom are sacred

The notion of religious freedom reveals Dragon, like so many others confounds the American society with government. The actual language of the Constitution is a prohibition on Congress in establishing a religion. To be clear, it was referring to Christian religion as they had in PA, the Quakers, MD, the Catholics, and MA, the Puritans. These States were among the States that had an established religion. One had to be a member in good standing of that particular church to even run for office.

These are just some of the facts that multiculturalists want to ignore as they deny America is and always has been a Christian nation even though it, through Christian considerations, decided it was best to have a secular government.

[ReggieRed]

Has everyone heard that upon the filing of a lawsuit that the law in Wisconsin recently passed may not have been passed legally. The judge issued an injunction preventing the law from taking effect upon the mere filing of the lawsuit. The law was not found to be passed illegally by the judge as the proceedings have not yet occurred.

Now, contrast that to Obamacare. A judge DID issue a final ruling that it IS unconstitutional (not merely in violation of technicality of legislative procedure) and gave 7 days for the administration to stop enforcing the vacated law. The Obama administration is ignoring the ruling and continuing to implement Obamacare.

I love your sig. Kinda makes it seem like Obama passed programs that increased the deficit. Unfortunately I can't think of any. Misleading don't you think? Facts are stubborn.

[mobbemeatiedy]

According to liberals anything that isn't liberal is unamerican. They are the true Borg because everything must be assimilated into liberal culture. how liberating is that? it's not.

Liberals think they know true freedom, but the only true freedom they know is to have an ultra powerful Socialist government micromanaging every single aspect of you life.

It is not the government's jobs to save souls, it is God's job to save souls, through his true followers, the true Americans, who are Christian.

Liberals only know abject poverty.

For everyone!

Of course.

Except themselves.

[erubresen]

I love your sig. Kinda makes it seem like Obama passed programs that increased the deficit. Unfortunately I can't think of any. Misleading don't you think? Facts are stubborn.

Jeez, not this crap again.

The President doesn't pass legislation, Danny. If you are going to lecture us on our own government, shouldn't you actually know what you are talking about?

[beloveds]

According to liberals anything that isn't liberal is unamerican.

Since America is founded on liberal ideals, with language written by one of history's great liberal authors (Thomas Jefferson) in its declaration of independence -- which is probably the clearest statement of American ideals ever written -- that is simply the case.

[Nikitka]

I love your sig. Kinda makes it seem like Obama passed programs that increased the deficit. Unfortunately I can't think of any. Misleading don't you think? Facts are stubborn.

The facts are not misleading, they are facts. The deficit we experienced under Obama the last two yrs and in the next two is all his. The money was not spent under Kennedy. It was spent under Obama. You need to get your facts straight.

Read my signature, it's pretty clear.

[beloveds]

The deficit we experienced under Obama the last two yrs and in the next two is all his.

Not true. The 2009 budget was set in 2008, before he took office and wasn't in any way his. The 2011 budget includes an extension of the Bush tax cuts for the top bracket which he opposed; allowing it to expire would have saved close to a trillion dollars. The 2012 budget hasn't been set yet, but with Republicans in control of the House his ability to shape it will be limited.

You need to get your facts straight. So do you.

[Laqswrnm]

The facts are not misleading, they are facts. The deficit we experienced under Obama the last two yrs and in the next two is all his. The money was not spent under Kennedy. It was spent under Obama. You need to get your facts straight.

Read my signature, it's pretty clear.

Not true. The 2009 budget was set in 2008, before he took office and wasn't in any way his.

What year is this, 2010 or 2011? Obama took office in 2009. The Federal Budget begins in October, United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. So, Oct-09, Oct-10 are all Obama's just as Forplay said, two years.

Furthermore, even most Liberals know that a Presidents term of office is 4 years. So, Forplay seems to be referring to 4 years of Obama's administration. It is so funny how desperate Liberals are to pretend Obama's budget's are Bush's. See the graph in my signature!

[ReggieRed]

Jeez, not this crap again.

The President doesn't pass legislation, Danny. If you are going to lecture us on our own government, shouldn't you actually know what you are talking about?

No legislation passes without Obama's signature. He decides what gets passed so I stand by my statement. He doesn't vote on it in the congress but he has a huge hand in passing it. If you want to argue the semantics of what "passing" means I'm not really a fan of spending time on that. You know what I'm talking about.

What year is this, 2010 or 2011? Obama took office in 2009. The Federal Budget begins in October, United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. So, Oct-09, Oct-10 are all Obama's just as Forplay said, two years.

Furthermore, even most Liberals know that a Presidents term of office is 4 years. So, Forplay seems to be referring to 4 years of Obama's administration. It is so funny how desperate Liberals are to pretend Obama's budget's are Bush's. See the graph in my signature!

John, we are not arguing that the deficit is increasing while Obama is president. What we are arguing is who is responsible for the projected shortfalls over the next decade and it seems to be part recession and part unpaid for Republican legislation. Your graph simply ignores that fact that Obama has had nothing to do with the explosion of debt because he pays for all of his programs. The debt is a legacy of the Bush admin.

[estheticianI]

What year is this, 2010 or 2011? Obama took office in 2009. The Federal Budget begins in October, United States federal budget - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. So, Oct-09, Oct-10 are all Obama's just as Forplay said, two years.

Furthermore, even most Liberals know that a Presidents term of office is 4 years. So, Forplay seems to be referring to 4 years of Obama's administration. It is so funny how desperate Liberals are to pretend Obama's budget's are Bush's. See the graph in my signature!

The liberal mantra will be that if the economy ever gets better, it will be to Obama's credit ... even if it is ten years from now. As long as matters are bad, Obama will never be responsible.

[Sxscdergh]

Has everyone heard that upon the filing of a lawsuit that the law in Wisconsin recently passed may not have been passed legally. The judge issued an injunction preventing the law from taking effect upon the mere filing of the lawsuit. The law was not found to be passed illegally by the judge as the proceedings have not yet occurred.

Now, contrast that to Obamacare. A judge DID issue a final ruling that it IS unconstitutional (not merely in violation of technicality of legislative procedure) and gave 7 days for the administration to stop enforcing the vacated law. The Obama administration is ignoring the ruling and continuing to implement Obamacare.

“The Village people” (liberal ass-clowns.) using anarchy for what they can’t get is ripping the infrastructure and heart out of America.
For those of us 50+ years old, we remember this being a revolution by ant-American socialist trying to take control.
Today, it’s been mindset and normalized as a mere ideology or political opinion.
Go Figure.
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[Laqswrnm]

Since America is founded on liberal ideals, with language written by one of history's great liberal authors (Thomas Jefferson) in its declaration of independence -- which is probably the clearest statement of American ideals ever written -- that is simply the case.

A Jeffersonian liberal or Jeffersonian conservative is diametrically opposed to the collectivist statists who use that term today.

[estheticianI]

A Jeffersonian liberal or Jeffersonian conservative is diametrically opposed to the collectivist statists who use that term today.

The connection between money and big government have given us nothing but legalized corruption. Two cases in point: where I live, water is in huge demand due to gas drilling. So, some guy with connections to our Republican governor buys water from the state (he places pumps on highways to dry out creek bottoms - how'd you like to own land downstream?) at 3 cents a gallon. He resells it for 48 cents. Why was this guy picked (w/o bid)? Big connections.

Obama wants to loan $2 billion that we don't have to Petrobras, Brazil's main oil and gas company. He spoke about how much he wanted them to drill offshore. Guess what? A major stockholder in Petrobras is George Soros. And, Obama won't allow much drilling here. At the time of the BP spill, there were 32 deep rigs operating in the Gulf. Now there are five, and La. is losing lots of jobs.

Against deep water drilling here but donating money and encouraging it in Brazil.

[Diortarkivoff]

No legislation passes without Obama's signature. He decides what gets passed so I stand by my statement. He doesn't vote on it in the congress but he has a huge hand in passing it. If you want to argue the semantics of what "passing" means I'm not really a fan of spending time on that. You know what I'm talking about.



John, we are not arguing that the deficit is increasing while Obama is president. What we are arguing is who is responsible for the projected shortfalls over the next decade and it seems to be part recession and part unpaid for Republican legislation. Your graph simply ignores that fact that Obama has had nothing to do with the explosion of debt because he pays for all of his programs. The debt is a legacy of the Bush admin.

right
it always bushs fault
so to back that claim up prove that bush created obama care, prove that it was bush and not the congress led by pelosi and reid that increased spending dramaticly, prove tha obama has actually tired to cut the gov and not increase it to record levels, and saying that freezing spending to the 2010 level after the largest increase in gov spending is a decrease is dishonest at best.