[Amerworma]

1. If Bush was responsible for Abu gharab in the minds of arabs and the media.

2. Is Obama responsible for this?

3. If so should he be impeached, as was the call for bush to be?

I guess there has been change.. in Abu Gharib there were actuallly no civilians murdered, under Obama he has upped teh anti I guess.

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US Army 'kill team' in Afghanistan posed for photos of murdered civiliansCommanders brace for backlash of anti-US sentiment that could be more damaging than after the Abu Ghraib scandal
Commanders in Afghanistan are bracing themselves for possible riots and public fury triggered by the publication of "trophy" photographs of US soldiers posing with the dead bodies of defenceless Afghan civilians they killed.

Senior officials at Nato's International Security Assistance Force in Kabul have compared the pictures published by the German news weekly Der Spiegel to the images of US soldiers abusing prisoners in Abu Ghraib in Iraq which sparked waves of anti-US protests around the world.

They fear that the pictures could be even more damaging as they show the aftermath of the deliberate murders of Afghan civilians by a rogue US Stryker tank unit that operated in the southern province of Kandahar last year.

Some of the activities of the self-styled "kill team" are already public, with 12 men currently on trial in Seattle for their role in the killing of three civilians.

Five of the soldiers are on trial for pre-meditated murder, after they staged killings to make it look like they were defending themselves from Taliban attacks.

Other charges include the mutilation of corpses, the possession of images of human casualties and drug abuse.

All of the soldiers have denied the charges. They face the death penalty or life in prison if convicted.

The case has already created shock around the world, particularly with the revelations that the men cut "trophies" from the bodies of the people they killed.

An investigation by Der Spiegel has unearthed approximately 4,000 photos and videos taken by the men.

The magazine, which is planning to publish only three images, said that in addition to the crimes the men were on trial for there are "also entire collections of pictures of other victims that some of the defendants were keeping".

The US military has strived to keep the pictures out of the public domain fearing it could inflame feelings at a time when anti-Americanism in Afghanistan is already running high.

In a statement, the army said it apologised for the distress caused by photographs "depicting actions repugnant to us as human beings and contrary to the standards and values of the United States".

The lengthy Spiegel article that accompanies the photographs contains new details about the sadistic behaviour of the men.

In one incident in May last year, the article says, during a patrol, the team apprehended a mullah who was standing by the road and took him into a ditch where they made him kneel down.

The group's leader, Staff Sergeant Calvin Gibbs, then allegedly threw a grenade at the man while an order was given for him to be shot.

Afterwards, Gibbs is described cutting off one of the man's little fingers and removing a tooth.

The patrol team later claimed to their superiors that the mullah had tried to threaten them with a grenade and that they had no choice but to shoot.

On Sunday night many organisations employing foreign staff, including the United Nations, ordered their staff into a "lockdown", banning all movements around Kabul and requiring people to remain in their compounds.

In addition to the threat from the publication of the photographs, security has been heightened amid fears the Taliban may try to attack Persian new year celebrations.

There could also be attacks because Hamid Karzai, the Afghan president, is due to make a speech declaring which areas of the country should be transferred from international to Afghan control in the coming months.

One security manager for the US company DynCorp sent an email to clients warning that publication of the photos was likely "to incite the local population" as the "severity of the incidents to be revealed are graphic and extreme".

US Army 'kill team' in Afghanistan posed for photos of murdered civilians | World news | The Guardian

[fil_nurser]

Well, this thoroughly unprofessional behavior makes a strong case for gutting the Pentagon budget, after all, why waste all this money to fund murder rape and mayhem by the sick individuals, who are attracted to the military, the way the priesthood attracts pedophiles.

[LarryRda]

In the mind of liberals, as long as they have "their man" at the helm they are no longer opposed to the things that made Bush so evil. It's just partisan double standards at work.

[miel]

Execute the murderers. Why give a shit who the un-american lefties who will stop at nothing to tear the nation down blame or who those unfriendly to us blame? Criminals within the military should be dealt with promptly and effectively regardless of who the president is.

[Nikitka]

Here we go, now under Obama we have mutilation of dead civilian corpses, murdered by our military under Obama. So the claim goes.

Now under Obama we're mutilating the dead.

Quote: "Five of the soldiers are on trial for pre-meditated murder, after they staged killings to make it look like they were defending themselves from Taliban attacks.

Other charges include the mutilation of corpses, the possession of images of human casualties and drug abuse.

US Army 'kill team' in Afghanistan posed for photos of murdered civilians | World news | The Guardian

[LarryRda]

Here we go, now under Obama we have mutilation of dead civilian corpses, murdered by our military under Obama. So the claim goes.

Now under Obama we're mutilating the dead.

Quote: "Five of the soldiers are on trial for pre-meditated murder, after they staged killings to make it look like they were defending themselves from Taliban attacks.

Other charges include the mutilation of corpses, the possession of images of human casualties and drug abuse.

US Army 'kill team' in Afghanistan posed for photos of murdered civilians | World news | The Guardian

It's OK, it's OK, calm down, Bush is not prez now, that is ALL that matters.

[MrGunjMan_]

It's OK, it's OK, calm down, Bush is not prez now, that is ALL that matters.

Finally, common sense from you.

[Ygd2qr8k]

Bush is still guilty of this atrocity. He started the Afghan war after he bombed the Twin Towers on 9/11 as a justification for WAR!
He loves WAR,war war. Go War. Rah, rah war.

Ask Rev Wright , Obamas mentor and who lead BO to Jesus for 20 yrs, about who bombed Twin Towers, who started HIV in blacks. God Dam the USA. Sayeth Obamas MENTOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, oh. "Out of context" sayeth the Left!

[mobbemeatiedy]

Bush is guilty of everything in the liberal mind.

Obama is a god and can do no wrong. Even if he molested a child in front of fifty million people on national TV.

Liberal superior morality and all that.

[VrQsgM7c]

Bush is guilty of everything in the liberal mind.

Obama is a god and can do no wrong. Even if he molested a child in front of fifty million people on national TV.

Liberal superior morality and all that.

To be fair, the converse is true as well.

For partisans, the crimes don't matter -- only the party does.

[Ygd2qr8k]

To be fair, the converse is true as well.

For partisans, the crimes don't matter -- only the party does.

And you, of course ,are above all that,,,, the only person on earth w/o bias, w/o an agenda!

[LarryRda]

Finally, common sense from you.

ha ha ha ha. So tell me, how's that prez of your's doin?

[8cyVn4RJ]

If there is evidence that this was used as a systematic interrogation of technique, and that this was ordered from above, then the chain of command that this came from should be followed, as high as it goes - even if that means all the way to the very top. That's all that was asked during the Abu Grahib scandal during the Bush years - follow it to the top - who authorized/ordered the techniques?


Of course, it's really hard to interrogate a corpse....

[ReggieRed]

If there is evidence that this was used as a systematic interrogation of technique, and that this was ordered from above, then the chain of command that this came from should be followed, as high as it goes - even if that means all the way to the very top. That's all that was asked during the Abu Grahib scandal during the Bush years - follow it to the top - who authorized/ordered the techniques?


Of course, it's really hard to interrogate a corpse....

Another lame attempt by the right to somehow equate Obama with Bush. I'm pretty sure Obama didn't order these troops for pose with dead corpses and I'm pretty sure everyone in this thread knows this too. Unfortunately for the question laid out here by the OP, there was the possibility that the systemic actions at Abu Ghraib were ordered by higher-ups. Weather it was from Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld or others was the clouded question but well within the realm of possibility, unlike these accusations.

Nice try.

[VrQsgM7c]

And you, of course ,are above all that,,,, the only person on earth w/o bias, w/o an agenda!

I didn't say that. I'm just saying plenty of people on both sides pull for their team regardless of the hypocrisy involved.

[Nikitka]

Another lame attempt by the right to somehow equate Obama with Bush. I'm pretty sure Obama didn't order these troops for pose with dead corpses and I'm pretty sure everyone in this thread knows this too. Unfortunately for the question laid out here by the OP, there was the possibility that the systemic actions at Abu Ghraib were ordered by higher-ups. Weather it was from Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld or others was the clouded question but well within the realm of possibility, unlike these accusations.

Nice try.

Read this an tell me this does not have Obama written all over it. Obama is the commander in chief and for him to allow such and or gave the go ahead for such murder and mutilation needs to be fully investigated.

These people are under Obama's command, and is fully responsible for their actions

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...ered-civilians

[8cyVn4RJ]

Read this an tell me this does not have Obama written all over it. Obama is the commander in chief and for him to allow such and or gave the go ahead for such murder and mutilation needs to be fully investigated.

These people are under Obama's command, and is fully responsible for their actions

US Army 'kill team' in Afghanistan posed for photos of murdered civilians | World news | The Guardian

There's stupid

There's really stupid

There's Miss South Carolina stupid



Then there's the suggestion that Obama ordered the mutilation of bodies of civilians and for soldiers to take their pictures with them.

[LarryRda]

There's stupid

There's really stupid

There's Miss South Carolina stupid



Then there's the suggestion that Obama ordered the mutilation of bodies of civilians and for soldiers to take their pictures with them.

I can remember quite a few people here who talked like Cheney held the cloth over the "suspected terrorist's" faces while Bush poured the water......that plus secretly being the perps that brought down the WTC. All so they could steal Iraq's oil. Hey, where's our free oil?

[Amerworma]

I dont think Obama ordered this and I dont think bush ordered people to pose with prisoners in abu gharib.. the fact is I am consistant on both issues...

libersla re'nt.

[8cyVn4RJ]

I can remember quite a few people here who talked like Cheney held the cloth over the "suspected terrorist's" faces while Bush poured the water......that plus secretly being the perps that brought down the WTC. All so they could steal Iraq's oil. Hey, where's our free oil?

I got some free oil for ya - just pulled 5 quarts out of my truck!





There are always loons - on both sides. Now, step back just a bit - is it a bit more plausible that Mr. Cheney may have said to the CIA - "look, you've got to get more out of those fucks, do what you need to do - use what you know against them, but don't leave marks, and don't kill them" than it is that Mr. Obama said, "take some civilians, kill 'em, mutilate them, and take pictures of yourself with them?"

Just sayin'