[Khurlxgq]

Good Grief!

Is this crap really what we have been reduced to on this forum?

Here's what we "know" about the situation:
1. Female (along with several other male, several other female, and, based on nothing more than statistical probabilities, a few gay) reporter heads off to Egypt to cover a popular uprising.
2. Said reporter goes out into a crowded protest and gets attacked.
3. Attack involved "sexual assault".

We don't know if the assault was rape. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. Either way that isn't the important thing as an assault is unpleasant enough regardless of the specifics.

We don't know which faction did the assaulting. Things being what they are, assaults are not the sole domain of any particular faction.

The reporter KNEW that she was in a dangerous situation as other reporters had been assaulted (although, apparently, none of the previous assaults had been sexual in nature).

It's not unreasonable to infer that at least some of the motivation for the assault was based on gender. We would not be wrong in doing this as there are ample examples of gender bias in the culture under consideration.

That's really about as far as we can go with the information that we have.

It's a bummer that Logan got assaulted. It's also a bummer that Greg Palkot and Anderson Cooper got assaulted. The assaults prove nothing more than that not everyone in the "protests" was looking strictly for political improvements. Somehow or other I'm not the least bit surprised by that.

So if it's not 'rape rape' it doesn't count? Uh that you Whoopie?

And it was all her fault? For, say, not wearing the niqab? Got it.

[Opinion_counts]

So if it's not 'rape rape' it doesn't count? Uh that you Whoopie?

And it was all her fault? For, say, not wearing the niqab? Got it.

Gosh, did we read the same words? I saw nothing at all in his comments that lend themselves to what you have concluded.

Perhaps you have a set of facts that we have not seen?

[Greapyjeory]

So if it's not 'rape rape' it doesn't count? Uh that you Whoopie?

And it was all her fault? For, say, not wearing the niqab? Got it.

Surely, you realize he didn't mean that.

[nvideoe]

So if it's not 'rape rape' it doesn't count? Uh that you Whoopie?

And it was all her fault? For, say, not wearing the niqab? Got it.

Look, "sexual assault" covers quite a bit of territory less intrusive than rape. For all we know she got her ass grabbed and some "incidental contact" elsewhere. Taking things even a little farther than that....we don't know that there even was a sexual assault. She wouldn't be the first woman that "cried wolf".

Logan was the chick that got kicked out of Iraq for banging 2 guys and breaking up some GI's marriage (although one would have to figure that he played a role in that as well). She's definitely no angel and she does keep her job by making sure that her name is on the byline of as many stories as she can pump out.

I'm not here to condemn her or to condemn a crowd of Egyptians. I just don't have enough information to make that kind of judgment and neither does anyone else.

[Khurlxgq]

Look, "sexual assault" covers quite a bit of territory less intrusive than rape. For all we know she got her ass grabbed and some "incidental contact" elsewhere. Taking things even a little farther than that....we don't know that there even was a sexual assault. She wouldn't be the first woman that "cried wolf".

Logan was the chick that got kicked out of Iraq for banging 2 guys and breaking up some GI's marriage (although one would have to figure that he played a role in that as well). She's definitely no angel and she does keep her job by making sure that her name is on the byline of as many stories as she can pump out.

I'm not here to condemn her or to condemn a crowd of Egyptians. I just don't have enough information to make that kind of judgment and neither does anyone else.

You would LOVE Egypt. You could sell this shit from daylight to dark. I mean you would put the camels out of business!~

[ggdfgtdfffhfyj]

Good Grief!

Is this crap really what we have been reduced to on this forum?

Here's what we "know" about the situation:
1. Female (along with several other male, several other female, and, based on nothing more than statistical probabilities, a few gay) reporter heads off to Egypt to cover a popular uprising.
2. Said reporter goes out into a crowded protest and gets attacked.
3. Attack involved "sexual assault".

We don't know if the assault was rape. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. Either way that isn't the important thing as an assault is unpleasant enough regardless of the specifics.

We don't know which faction did the assaulting. Things being what they are, assaults are not the sole domain of any particular faction.

The reporter KNEW that she was in a dangerous situation as other reporters had been assaulted (although, apparently, none of the previous assaults had been sexual in nature).

It's not unreasonable to infer that at least some of the motivation for the assault was based on gender. We would not be wrong in doing this as there are ample examples of gender bias in the culture under consideration.

That's really about as far as we can go with the information that we have.

It's a bummer that Logan got assaulted. It's also a bummer that Greg Palkot and Anderson Cooper got assaulted. The assaults prove nothing more than that not everyone in the "protests" was looking strictly for political improvements. Somehow or other I'm not the least bit surprised by that.

The Wall Street Journal reports that she was not raped, but that she was assaulted between 20 and 30 minutes . However I would bet that all of those 20-30 will stay with this woman a lifetime , inexcusable .

[Opinion_counts]

The Wall Street Journal reports that she was not raped, but that she was assaulted between 20 and 30 minutes . However I would bet that all of those 20-30 will stay with this woman a lifetime , inexcusable .

Of course In a way far different than that same time was for Anderson-Cooper. Those episodes remain with one forever. I suspect it will change her, also.

But I have no idea how it will change her. What are predictions on how it will change her and her career?

[Khurlxgq]

I did. You're letting your emotions cloud your logic (as usual).

And your chauvinism is obliterating your logic. As usual.

[nvideoe]

The Wall Street Journal reports that she was not raped, but that she was assaulted between 20 and 30 minutes . However I would bet that all of those 20-30 will stay with this woman a lifetime , inexcusable .

I'm pretty sure that it would be no fun whatsoever to be stuck in a crowd of people that you couldn't understand and who were hitting, groping or whatever else to you. I'm also pretty sure that it wouldn't be one of those memories that just fades away. I have no doubt that she suffered some kind of trauma and I have no doubt that there were at least one or two assholes in the crowd. All that is a risk she took when she waded into the melee. Sometimes, if you swim with sharks, you'll get bit.

[Khurlxgq]

Of course In a way far different than that same time was for Anderson-Cooper. Those episodes remain with one forever. I suspect it will change her, also.

But I have no idea how it will change her. What are predictions on how it will change her and her career?

Are you looking for a cookie cutter response here?

[Greapyjeory]

And your chauvinism is obliterating your logic. As usual.

It's not chauvinism to question the validity of a claim.

Like luther, I'm not siding with Logan or with the protesters. What I am saying is that, hopefully, the guilty parties will be prosecuted.

Still, it's rational to be wary of the claims of a reporter who has a history of sensationalism. I don't doubt that something occurred, but the full extent of what happened is, so far, unknown.

[ggdfgtdfffhfyj]

Look, "sexual assault" covers quite a bit of territory less intrusive than rape. For all we know she got her ass grabbed and some "incidental contact" elsewhere. Taking things even a little farther than that....we don't know that there even was a sexual assault. She wouldn't be the first woman that "cried wolf".

Logan was the chick that got kicked out of Iraq for banging 2 guys and breaking up some GI's marriage (although one would have to figure that he played a role in that as well). She's definitely no angel and she does keep her job by making sure that her name is on the byline of as many stories as she can pump out.

I'm not here to condemn her or to condemn a crowd of Egyptians. I just don't have enough information to make that kind of judgment and neither does anyone else.

" I'm not here to condemn her " yet you make comment about her sexual past , which btw has no relevance whatsoever , your post is contradictory . You admit to not having all the facts , yet surmise that it may be a " simple groping " . Hopefully no female friend or family of yours will experience the " assault " this woman endured for you to comprehend the lasting effect this has on a woman .

[Khurlxgq]

It's not chauvinism to question the validity of a claim.

Like luther, I'm not siding with Logan or with the protesters. What I am saying is that, hopefully, the guilty parties will be prosecuted.

Still, it's rational to be wary of the claims of a reporter who has a history of sensationalism. I don't doubt that something occurred, but the full extent of what happened is, so far, unknown.

And you think the 'guilty party' will just roll out of a crowd of thousands of swarthy men.

[ggdfgtdfffhfyj]

It's not chauvinism to question the validity of a claim.

Like luther, I'm not siding with Logan or with the protesters. What I am saying is that, hopefully, the guilty parties will be prosecuted.

Still, it's rational to be wary of the claims of a reporter who has a history of sensationalism. I don't doubt that something occurred, but the full extent of what happened is, so far, unknown.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree , if the crime here were robbery , or any other "assault " the validity would in all likelihood not be questioned , unfortunately the constitutional credibility of this reported crime is often dependent on the sexual experience , attire and even the belief that she put herself in the situation .

[Greapyjeory]

And you think the 'guilty party' will just roll out of a crowd of thousands of swarthy men.

Of course not. I'm not even sure where you got that idea from. You seem to have a bad habit of putting words in people's mouths.

As I mentioned earlier, it's going to be difficult to find the culprits, and with the state that Egypt's government is currently in, it is possible that they won't be caught.

I don't think anyone here is suggesting that Logan deserved to be assaulted. What I'm gathering from luther's response is that she went into this knowing that she would face more danger than a normal reporting environment. She's no stranger to that having been embedded with soldiers in the past.

She's brave for taking on assignments with increased levels of risk, but at the same time, her job is one that involves making the headlines.

Am I saying she's lying about being assaulted? No. Am I going to believe everything I hear at face value? No.

I try to approach stories like this as I would if I was a juror. Impartial taking in of the facts is a practice more people should adhere to. Rational skepticism is a good thing as well.

[Khurlxgq]

Of course not. I'm not even sure where you got that idea from. You seem to have a bad habit of putting words in people's mouths.

As I mentioned earlier, it's going to be difficult to find the culprits, and with the state that Egypt's government is currently in, it is possible that they won't be caught.

I don't think anyone here is suggesting that Logan deserved to be assaulted. What I'm gathering from luther's response is that she went into this knowing that she would face more danger than a normal reporting environment. She's no stranger to that having been embedded with soldiers in the past.

She's brave for taking on assignments with increased levels of risk, but at the same time, her job is one that involves making the headlines.

Am I saying she's lying about being assaulted? No. Am I going to believe everything I hear at face value? No.

I try to approach stories like this as I would if I was a juror. Impartial taking in of the facts is a practice more people should adhere to. Rational skepticism is a good thing as well.

One of my all time favorite singers Connie Francis was raped while on tour in 1974.

Connie Francis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The same kind of things were said about her. Too bad that almost 40 years later nothing has changed. She never really had a singing career again after that. Oh she did a few walk ons. But the voice changed and she became a 'has been.'

When it came to light how many little boys were being sexually abused the attitude might change. But alas..............not. The Prince of Tides be damned.

A juror my ass. You are EXCEEDINGLY biased.

[Greapyjeory]

I'm sorry but I have to disagree , if the crime here were robbery , or any other "assault " the validity would in all likelihood not be questioned , unfortunately the constitutional credibility of this reported crime is often dependent on the sexual experience , attire and even the belief that she put herself in the situation .

I'm not sure if I follow you. Elaborate.

[nvideoe]

" I'm not here to condemn her " yet you make comment about her sexual past , which btw has no relevance whatsoever , your post is contradictory . You admit to not having all the facts , yet surmise that it may be a " simple groping " . Hopefully no female friend or family of yours will experience the " assault " this woman endured for you to comprehend the lasting effect this has on a woman .

I didn't "surmise" a doggone thing. I simply presented a little perspective. As far as the comment about her sexual escapades goes...it IS relevant. The escapades in Iraq show, as a bare minimum, that Logan has a history of making poor judgments when it comes to mixing sexual and professional behaviors.

[Khurlxgq]

I didn't "surmise" a doggone thing. I simply presented a little perspective. As far as the comment about her sexual escapades goes...it IS relevant. The escapades in Iraq show, as a bare minimum, that Logan has a history of making poor judgments when it comes to mixing sexual and professional behaviors.

Your so called perspective is the old 'the whore can't be raped' argument. It waxes old and dull.

[Greapyjeory]

One of my all time favorite singers Connie Francis was raped while on tour in 1974.

Connie Francis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The same kind of things were said about her. Too bad that almost 40 years later nothing has changed. She never really had a singing career again after that. Oh she did a few walk ons. But the voice changed and she became a 'has been.'

When it came to light how many little boys were being sexually abused the attitude might change. But alas..............not.

And how is Connie Francis relevant to this? Again, you're not logically addressing what I posted. You've injected your emotions into your response.

I realize rape is a sensitive subject. Any form of sexual assault can be.

However, what's wrong with questioning a situation or claim? Isn't that the proper way to investigate a crime?

For example, observe what happened with the Duke Lacrosse case. For several months, it was suggested that several Duke students had raped a stripper they hired. After a long and drawn out investigation, it was determined that the woman had lied. Yet, in the court of public opinion, the accused were guilty before the investigation.

Every situation is different. Within reason, there are levels of skepticism that should apply. With Logan, it would be hard to believe that she fabricated her claims. However, I'm also not going to take everything at face value. This is the sort of case that should be thoroughly investigated. Unfortunately, it probably won't.