[Wrencytet]

US must be removed from Islamic world: Khamenei | The New Age Online

The main problem in the Muslim world is the presence of the United States. It is the biggest problem. We need to address that," he told a gathering of Shiite and Sunni scholars in Tehran for an international conference on Islam.

"It is necessary to remove the US from the Islamic world," the all-powerful cleric and Islamic republic's commander-in-chief said, adding that the country's arch-foe was currently weak. At some point, political correctness will yield to national security. I fear that many lives will be lost before sanity prevails.

[agolutuaddiff]

US must be removed from Islamic world: Khamenei | The New Age Online



At some point, political correctness will yield to national security. I fear that many lives will be lost before sanity prevails.

Why do you believe the US must insert itself into their lives?

How would you feel if a large and powerful country named Nemo inserted themselves in to America and started telling us what to do? Would you be saying "Nemo must be removed from the US world!" You know you would.

So, I understand your concern, but do you understand their concern?

[yurawerj]

Khamenei is clearly struggling to rally support while his own people reject his corruption and abuse. His attempt at diverting his own problems toward the West as a scapegoat won't likely resonate beyond people who already leaned in support of him.

The people of Iran are getting ready to oust him.

[Loonerisav]

2 things:

Khamenie is trying to save his own ass by deflecting bad attention on the US.

We shouldn't be meddling in governments of any country, muslim or not. It goes beyond what our constitution specifies as the role of our government. Generally conservatives think the federal gov't fucks everything up anyway, I don't see why they're so gung-ho about the US trying to set up/manipulate foreign governments.

[OpVJokl8]

Conservatives don't like the idea of setting up or manipulating other governments, but since the founding we have stated that our ideals are to stand with free people over tyrants. All it takes is moral support.

[9Goarveboofe]

Conservatives don't like the idea of setting up or manipulating other governments, but since the founding we have stated that our ideals are to stand with free people over tyrants. All it takes is moral support.

That's what fifth grade history in a public school taught me, too, Adaher. But how does that square with supporting the Samoza regime and all the other repressive regimes in Central and South America when the public was crying Yanqui Go Home! How does that square with enabling Mubarek in Egypt and enabling the the Kings of Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Kuwait, and Morocco? How does that square with overthrowing the democratically-elected president of Iran, Dr. Mohammad Mossedegh, in 1953 an installing a pro-American Shah with Operation Ajax? How about siding with French imperialism in Vietnam? The list, unfortunately, goes on and on.
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-was-operation-ajax.htm

[OpVJokl8]

Our actions have often been different than our ideals. After all, nations don't have permanent friends or enemies, only permanent interests.

But where our interests are not at stake, and even sometimes where they have been, we've at least morally sided with the people against their governments. And even where we did support tyrants, we've had enough sense to have them leave when the people rise against them.

[EsAllCams]

US must be removed from Islamic world: Khamenei | The New Age Online



At some point, political correctness will yield to national security. I fear that many lives will be lost before sanity prevails.

Unfortunately they won't realize that until it's too late and we will all suffer. The radical Islamists are counting on that fact and it WILL happen. Thanks libs in advance.

[SetSnonejog]

Conservatives don't like the idea of setting up or manipulating other governments, but since the founding we have stated that our ideals are to stand with free people over tyrants. All it takes is moral support.

Show me where it says that in the Constitution.

[EsAllCams]

Khamenei is clearly struggling to rally support while his own people reject his corruption and abuse. His attempt at diverting his own problems toward the West as a scapegoat won't likely resonate beyond people who already leaned in support of him.

The people of Iran are getting ready to oust him.

There is going to be a bloodbath.

[SetSnonejog]

Unfortunately they won't realize that until it's too late and we will all suffer. The radical Islamists are counting on that fact and it WILL happen. Thanks libs in advance.

You're very welcome, I'm sure, now might you be kind enough to tell us what you're talking about?

[OpVJokl8]

Show me where it says that in the Constitution.
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Nowhere. But even the relatively isolationist founders thought that the US should be a beacon, in their words.

[EsAllCams]

Why do you believe the US must insert itself into their lives?

How would you feel if a large and powerful country named Nemo inserted themselves in to America and started telling us what to do? Would you be saying "Nemo must be removed from the US world!" You know you would.

So, I understand your concern, but do you understand their concern?

We have done this originally because just as in JFK's inaugural speech we would stand against those who oppress people anywhere, anytime in the name of freedom.

OBVIOUSLY since that time it's been much more involved than that. But that's what most REGULAR Americans have believed in. It's gone from that original ideal to making deals for oil etc etc etc.

[EsAllCams]

You're very welcome, I'm sure, now might you be kind enough to tell us what you're talking about?

Certainly:




At some point, political correctness will yield to national security. I fear that many lives will be lost before sanity prevails.[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately they won't realize that until it's too late and we will all suffer. The radical Islamists are counting on that fact and it WILL happen. Thanks libs in advance.

the "they" in my statement being liberals who are 98% responsible for politcal correctness.

[Sheestgag]

So Nancy Reagan was a liberal, why thank you for clearifying that.
And Bill Maher is not a liberal, wwwwwwwweeellll doggies!

[Sheestgag]

J. Wilson's comments in U.S. Republic, 1793:

"The states, rather than the people, for whose sake the states exist, are frequently the objects which attract and arrest our principal attention... Sentiments and expressions of this inaccurate kind prevail in our common, even in our convivial, language... ‘The United States,’ instead of the ‘People of the United States,’ is the toast given. This is not politically correct."[6]
and you thought PC was a 21st century invention?

[yurawerj]

There is going to be a bloodbath.

In Iran, probably. In America, no.

[yurawerj]

Conservatives don't like the idea of setting up or manipulating other governments, but since the founding we have stated that our ideals are to stand with free people over tyrants. All it takes is moral support.

Moral support is fine. Sending arms to insurgents... not so much. Propping up dictators is something we're just as likely to do as we are in supporting uprisings.

So, it's not really about supporting freedom -- it's about supporting trade interests and military interests.

[Wrencytet]

Certainly:




At some point, political correctness will yield to national security. I fear that many lives will be lost before sanity prevails.

Unfortunately they won't realize that until it's too late and we will all suffer. The radical Islamists are counting on that fact and it WILL happen. Thanks libs in advance.

the "they" in my statement being liberals who are 98% responsible for politcal correctness.[/QUOTE]

Props for having the patience to explain. Difficult to understand how that was unclear in the first place.

[Sheestgag]

Moral support is fine. Sending arms to insurgents... not so much. Propping up dictators is something we're just as likely to do as we are in supporting uprisings.

So, it's not really about supporting freedom -- it's about supporting trade interests and military interests.

we're capitalists