[mikapoq]

We are always talking about private sector jobs.

You know the truth, as well as every other poster in this thread. Some on the far right would see a problem with full employment, if it was done under Obama's administration. As a Canadian, you really have no dog in the fight. So, just taking that into account, I'd have to agree with you.

However, looking at the data, I will agree with you even more. With the 8 million jobs lost by "W", new workers not finding jobs and are not part of that 8 million and the devastating recession under his administration, the figures will fluctuate and any hitch will cause them to be higher for a short term. Since employment is always a lagging factor coming out of a recession, we will see high unemployment for several years. But, at least, it is starting to fall under the stimulus packages by "W" and TARP and what the Obama administration is doing.

[rockboyzaza]

Here folks, we have a great job of passing bullshit off as some kind of truth. Show me one judge that has ruled a sitting president as being in 'contempt of court'. Show me one president, any, that has created higher oil prices.

You can't, you post half-truths, misinterpretations, and fantasy as truth.

ok, here...

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-0...dge-rules.html

[AliceFromHouston]

yeah but it's not like the BLS is just putting these numbers out because they think it will make the government look good. they publish the numbers regardless.

I know, but there are any number of ways to skew them to support the govt. Im not saying there are, just that it always makes me suspicious.

[mikapoq]

ok, here...

U.S. in Contempt Over Gulf Drill Ban, Judge Rules - Bloomberg

Hardly, words really do mean something, and President Obama was not held in 'contempt of court'. Simply some of you making a thread about it, and continuing to say it, doesn't make it true.

Certainly, a tactic used by cons, but still not true.

[janeloveslifenow]

Libs are a funny breed.

A lib asks for one example, then dismisses that example when it's given...

[rockboyzaza]

hardly, words really do mean something, and president obama was not held in 'contempt of court'. Simply some of you making a thread about it, and continuing to say it, doesn't make it true.

Certainly, a tactic used by cons, but still not true.

judge ruled in contempt...

[nanyaHgoc]

No I mean the distinction is always made weather new jobs being created in a month are private or public and the public jobs are usually sort of an afterthought because the private jobs are what matters. It's why the 300K census jobs didnd't really matter that much.

Okay, so what percent of the supposed decrease in unemployment is attributed solely to the private sector?

[O25YtQnn]

lol, you will blame republicans.. btw how did OBAMA create any jobs? I am just curious to hear this..

In fact by being in contempt of court he has actually COST jobs, and created higher oil prices..

I read that the ACA created as many as 159 new federal agencies or entities......there ya go!

[plalleste]

It's only a marginally positive jobs report. The encouraging thing is that self-employment numbers jumped, and that had it not been for the weather, it looks like the number of 36,000 would have jumped as well, so hopefully February is kind to people.

Still, there are 14 million Americans without jobs, and the number of people who've stopped searching has jumped as well as many people are going back to school to upgrade their skills.

The worst is over, but the country really needs a plan to put many of those 14 million back to work, a good deal of those people being white and over 45, blue collar, who lost their manufacturing jobs to overseas markets.

[thierabess]

It's only a marginally positive jobs report. The encouraging thing is that self-employment numbers jumped, and that had it not been for the weather, it looks like the number of 36,000 would have jumped as well, so hopefully February is kind to people.

Still, there are 14 million Americans without jobs, and the number of people who've stopped searching has jumped as well as many people are going back to school to upgrade their skills.

The worst is over, but the country really needs a plan to put many of those 14 million back to work, a good deal of those people being white and over 45, blue collar, who lost their manufacturing jobs to overseas markets.

Kick out the 20 million illegals and problem solved. The government has been outsourcing good American jobs for decades right here at home by allowing an open border policy. Obama even stopped checking into businesses that may have illegals working for them.

[thierabess]

lol, you will blame republicans.. btw how did OBAMA create any jobs? I am just curious to hear this..

In fact by being in contempt of court he has actually COST jobs, and created higher oil prices..

Liberals never care about jobs, all they care about is going after the rich to care for those that are not so rich.

Oil prices, hell we ship 500 billion a yr to other countries to purchase their oil, drill here at home and bring that money back home and the jobs that go with it. But no way, liberals like sending 500 billion a yr to other countries and then bitch because a company outsources a few jobs.

[GogaMegaPis]

I'm a Liberal, and I sure care about jobs for average folks. But, I am an old time Liberal, like Ike.

If you want to know when the unemployment rate is acceptable, just ask me!! My feet are rooted in reality, the reality that I see around me, and in my travels. And folks, it's really bad out there now. Really bad. I don't need no stinkin' stats or figures, I just drive past the food banks and notice how many folks are in line. I look at the forclosures in the newspaper here. I look at the lists of folks with deliquent property taxes in our paper. And I look at the number of properties being auctioned off for back taxes at our local courthouse. Which by the way, I expect an expoential increase at this year's auction, going by the lists in the paper.

I look at the number of folks who lost power and water from not paying their utility bills. The number here in my area is nothing like I have ever seen before.

The real rate for the unemployed today is close to 20 per cent. Not 9 per cent! The financial crash, created by greed, and placed upon the taxpayers to finance served as a ruler to measure just how badly this offshoring has hurt average Americans. Unless you see factories being restaffed, or built, to expect this mess to get fixed is a pipe dream, a drunken perception that refuses to admit the reality of our current economic model.

It's the current Repub economic model that is flawed. All recessions in the past were corrected when industry geared back up and call folks back. No one to call the unemployed back, PLUS factory jobs are still being bled as we speak. And someone has the nerve to expect recovery for the unemployed? What a fucking joke. You guys do live in La La Land. I don't.

[h4z1XBI7]

I'm a Liberal, and I sure care about jobs for average folks. But, I am an old time Liberal, like Ike.

If you want to know when the unemployment rate is acceptable, just ask me!! My feet are rooted in reality, the reality that I see around me, and in my travels. And folks, it's really bad out there now. Really bad. I don't need no stinkin' stats or figures, I just drive past the food banks and notice how many folks are in line. I look at the forclosures in the newspaper here. I look at the lists of folks with deliquent property taxes in our paper. And I look at the number of properties being auctioned off for back taxes at our local courthouse. Which by the way, I expect an expoential increase at this year's auction, going by the lists in the paper.

I look at the number of folks who lost power and water from not paying their utility bills. The number here in my area is nothing like I have ever seen before.

The real rate for the unemployed today is close to 20 per cent. Not 9 per cent! The financial crash, created by greed, and placed upon the taxpayers to finance served as a ruler to measure just how badly this offshoring has hurt average Americans. Unless you see factories being restaffed, or built, to expect this mess to get fixed is a pipe dream, a drunken perception that refuses to admit the reality of our current economic model.

It's the current Repub economic model that is flawed. All recessions in the past were corrected when industry geared back up and call folks back. No one to call the unemployed back, PLUS factory jobs are still being bled as we speak. And someone has the nerve to expect recovery for the unemployed? What a fucking joke. You guys do live in La La Land. I don't.

Thanks & respect for the reality check.

The minds set in stone (with accompanying denials, sound bites & slogans) have become just another way to preserve, justify &/or legitimize the status quo (business as usual). Empty words bereft of life or meaning.

Thanks for bringing back some real life!

[thierabess]

I'm a Liberal, and I sure care about jobs for average folks. But, I am an old time Liberal, like Ike.

If you want to know when the unemployment rate is acceptable, just ask me!! My feet are rooted in reality, the reality that I see around me, and in my travels. And folks, it's really bad out there now. Really bad. I don't need no stinkin' stats or figures, I just drive past the food banks and notice how many folks are in line. I look at the forclosures in the newspaper here. I look at the lists of folks with deliquent property taxes in our paper. And I look at the number of properties being auctioned off for back taxes at our local courthouse. Which by the way, I expect an expoential increase at this year's auction, going by the lists in the paper.

I look at the number of folks who lost power and water from not paying their utility bills. The number here in my area is nothing like I have ever seen before.

The real rate for the unemployed today is close to 20 per cent. Not 9 per cent! The financial crash, created by greed, and placed upon the taxpayers to finance served as a ruler to measure just how badly this offshoring has hurt average Americans. Unless you see factories being restaffed, or built, to expect this mess to get fixed is a pipe dream, a drunken perception that refuses to admit the reality of our current economic model.

It's the current Repub economic model that is flawed. All recessions in the past were corrected when industry geared back up and call folks back. No one to call the unemployed back, PLUS factory jobs are still being bled as we speak. And someone has the nerve to expect recovery for the unemployed? What a fucking joke. You guys do live in La La Land. I don't.

Blue you just live in the past and all you care about is a frigen factory job, someone working in an assembly line. We are done with that, weather you like it or not other countries factories are better, faster and cheaper.

And you blame the Pub's for everything, let me ask you, you want jobs then bring our oil production back home. How about that. I'm sick of liberals whining about factory jobs but it's OK to outsource 500 billion a yr to purchase oil form countries that really don't like us. And just think of the jobs that are lost to overseas countries. And you want to bitch about factory jobs. No you really don't care about jobs because if you did you would want to bring our oil production back home. Further you would want to seal our border and kick out 20 million illegals that are taking good American Jobs. Our government is outsourcing 20 million illegals jobs right here at home and you could care less, same as shipping 500 billion a yr to foreign countries and their jobs.

No, you don't give a shit about jobs, just the job you want.

[JonatonM]

I'm a Liberal, and I sure care about jobs for average folks. But, I am an old time Liberal, like Ike.

If you want to know when the unemployment rate is acceptable, just ask me!! My feet are rooted in reality, the reality that I see around me, and in my travels. And folks, it's really bad out there now. Really bad. I don't need no stinkin' stats or figures, I just drive past the food banks and notice how many folks are in line. I look at the forclosures in the newspaper here. I look at the lists of folks with deliquent property taxes in our paper. And I look at the number of properties being auctioned off for back taxes at our local courthouse. Which by the way, I expect an expoential increase at this year's auction, going by the lists in the paper.

I look at the number of folks who lost power and water from not paying their utility bills. The number here in my area is nothing like I have ever seen before.

The real rate for the unemployed today is close to 20 per cent. Not 9 per cent! The financial crash, created by greed, and placed upon the taxpayers to finance served as a ruler to measure just how badly this offshoring has hurt average Americans. Unless you see factories being restaffed, or built, to expect this mess to get fixed is a pipe dream, a drunken perception that refuses to admit the reality of our current economic model.

It's the current Repub economic model that is flawed. All recessions in the past were corrected when industry geared back up and call folks back. No one to call the unemployed back, PLUS factory jobs are still being bled as we speak. And someone has the nerve to expect recovery for the unemployed? What a fucking joke. You guys do live in La La Land. I don't.

Blue, sometimes, in fact often times, you hit the nail on the head. This is not one of those times.

[GogaMegaPis]

Blue you just live in the past and all you care about is a frigen factory job, someone working in an assembly line. We are done with that, weather you like it or not other countries factories are better, faster and cheaper.

And you blame the Pub's for everything, let me ask you, you want jobs then bring our oil production back home. How about that. I'm sick of liberals whining about factory jobs but it's OK to outsource 500 billion a yr to purchase oil form countries that really don't like us. And just think of the jobs that are lost to overseas countries. And you want to bitch about factory jobs. No you really don't care about jobs because if you did you would want to bring our oil production back home. Further you would want to seal our border and kick out 20 million illegals that are taking good American Jobs. Our government is outsourcing 20 million illegals jobs right here at home and you could care less, same as shipping 500 billion a yr to foreign countries and their jobs.

No, you don't give a shit about jobs, just the job you want.

This is nothing more than a line from Kipling, where the monkeys said, "we all SAY so, so it must be true!" And that is all that this amounts to, with the living in the past, the end of industry in this Nation. You CHUMPS bought into it, and swallowed it hook line and sinker. You are nothing more than just great suckers for propaganda, your weakness, not mine.

I have never been against our own oil production, and apparently you have not read much of what I rant about. I just admit that we don't have the reserves to be completely independent when it comes to oil. We have coal, and we have natural gas. More than enough to last for many decades.

Industy is of no importance? Please tell China that. Please tell that to the industry sent to Mexico, and other places where cheap labor abounds. Not like those places did not exist prior to the gov't allowing our business to go there! That is the main difference here, where we at one time LOOKED OUT FOR WORKING AMERICANS, that model was blown up, and buried. Go piss on someone's else's leg, as I am too damn old to buy into the propaganda you think came from the mouth of God himself. Got news for ya. It came not from God, but from greedy manufacturers, who did back flips to convince politicians, lubricated with good old fashioned MONEY.

I sell a product in my retirement. To keep from being bored crazy. I use parts that are manufactured here in the States. I have been bombarded with Chinese companies trying to sell me a primary part that I need, at 1/3 the price that I am currently paying Americans to make. If I went with them, my profits would increase quite a bit. And if I were a treasonous bastard businessman, I would have jumped on that wagon a long time ago. I refuse to do it. Why the hell would I want to send the Chinese my money? How does that help out Americans, who need a job? It doesn't. If this American factory went under, many folks would lose their jobs. It is a company over a hundred years old, that has been in business during that entire time. Why would I want to destroy it, so I could have a fatter bottom line? When my bottom line is fine as it is. Granted, I could be a greedy little fucker and do what everyone else is doing, but I got some scruples. And unlike those other jackwags, I actually care about America and its People. And sir, that is the only fucking difference between me and THEM. It's not like I am not in business, and have never been in business. I did the same thing before I sold and retired from my old business. I could have bought South American plywood at half the price of US made plywood. I did not do it then, and I will NOT do it now.


This offshoring was nothing more than a business decision, to increase profits for the corporation and stockholders. Which could have been done in the 50's and 60's if ALLOWED to do so by gov't policy. What changed was the policy, brought about by money and lobbiests of corporations. If you can't understand that, you will NEVER understand what has actually gone on, and still goes on.

Unlike some here, I have owned my own manufacturing biz. I have been in the trenches. I know how this shit works. And get this, you don't have to have some so called expert to figure it all out. Take off the political shades, and just look honestly with some clarity. If you rely upon the experts, you will be lied to, as even they have agendas and political beliefs that supercede everything else.

The great changes we have seen in this Nation is driven by one thing. GREED. Nothing more or less. When greed drives policy, you can bet your life that the average folks will be the only ones suffering. When greed is allowed to create policy, nothing good will come from it for average folks. This is something that the folks in the 30's understood. And they acted upon it, and what they gave this Nation served all, from top to bottom. Yet, we once again have forgotten what greed yields, when not checked or controlled. The earliest attempts to do it was relegated to religion. Until you see greed for the power that it weilds, you will forever be unable to understand basic things that affect average People. Greed and the evil love of money is destructive to a society. And I observe that destruction each day, as I can recall different times, when greed took a back seat to the best interest of ALL PEOPLE.

[thierabess]

This offshoring was nothing more than a business decision, to increase profits for the corporation and stockholders. Which could have been done in the 50's and 60's if ALLOWED to do so by gov't policy. What changed was the policy, brought about by money and lobbiests of corporations. If you can't understand that, you will NEVER understand what has actually gone on, and still goes on.

Yeah like offshoring our oil production and sending 500 billion a yr to foreign countries and all the jobs that go with it. And lets not forget our government is offshoring 20 million jobs right here at home to illegals. You want jobs then bring our oil back home and kick out the illegals. Otherwise quite bitching, because if your serious about jobs in this country then bitch about all the jobs that are lost to illegals and offshoring our oil jobs. And another thing your sacred Obama is offshoring our green jobs for making wind mills and solar panels, that's just for starters.

[GogaMegaPis]

Yeah like offshoring our oil production and sending 500 billion a yr to foreign countries and all the jobs that go with it. And lets not forget our government is offshoring 20 million jobs right here at home to illegals. You want jobs then bring our oil back home and kick out the illegals. Otherwise quite bitching, because if your serious about jobs in this country then bitch about all the jobs that are lost to illegals and offshoring our oil jobs. And another thing your sacred Obama is offshoring our green jobs for making wind mills and solar panels, that's just for starters.

If you would have read my earlier posts about illegal immigration, you would know I ranted and raved about that as well. Illegal immigration put my son in law OUT of business, as he was outbid on every contract due to illegal workers being employed by his competitors.

I am PRO AMERICAN WORKER. Always have been, and always will be. And that is why I originally registered as a Dem many decades ago. The Dems use to look out for average working Americans. They no longer do, in any great measure. IMO.

I am all for using our own oil, especially if we did not send it to world markets but used it here, period. The oil boom in the south of my State in the 70's was wonderful for my people here. It made all local business boom.

Not sure where you got the idea I was against drilling, and for illegal immigration. I am not like some Liberals. I am an old pro average working American and will never change my spots.

I happen to blast the Repubs, because I have watched what their policies have done to the average guy. I have watched what has happened since they came back into power with Reagen. I have watched them rape and pillage the average working bloke. All in the name of Capitalistic Progress.

I just happen to believe Capitalism is a tool that should be used to enrich ALL in a Nation, which means no offshoring, or outsourcing, period, UNLESS it also enriches ALL in the process. Corporate Globalization is the newest gimmick to enrich the FEW, at the demise of everyone else. That we moved to the model was a conscious, planned move, that originated with business and their cohorts in the Republican Party, that also brought some Dems along for the ride. The Dems probably went along so they could get their pork in the process.


Anyone who is stopping the drilling and sourcing for our own oil is a damn idiot. Period. Yet, if one looks ahead to the future, it might be nice to have enough reserves left in our ground to win the next world war. We need to think long term on some things such as this. For emergencies. I sure would not want to face another huge war, without our own reserves that is for sure. Supply lines are too easily disrupted, and several nukes going off in the major producers oil fields would stop that production for a long, long time. You may not have even considered that. I do.

As I said, I am not your perception of a Liberal. I am an old time Liberal, the ones that had some damn common sense driving decisions. There is no common sense today, on either side. It is blatantly obvious. I therefore find my self stuck on Ground Hog's Day, while being on the Twightlight Zone simultaneously. I am surrounded by idiots who no longer have the ability to see anything other than their own political ideology. And that is a sure fire path to doom for average folks. This ain't rocket science here, although some would want you to think it is, so you stop thinking for yourself. And let THEM do your thinking for you. Too many are too willing to let others do that, and then parrot what these jackwags say. And by doing so, they think they too will say brilliant things. The so called experts are nothing more than partisan hacks, pretending objectivity.

Common sense says, you cannot export so much of your manufacturing base and have what you had before you exported it. Common sense says the traditional service sector jobs don't provided for the standard of living that industry does. Yet, people have turned flips, did contortions to convince folks the opposite. UNLESS you understand it, and remember HOW we once were, and WHAT provided for that, you will continue to believe in the fantasy that propaganda brings.

If the Repubs would have pushed for offshoring and outsourcing during the 50's and 60's everyone would have had no trouble laughing them off, and seeing them as nutcases. Yet, a few decades changed that. The facts of the matter did not change of course, as we can easily see today. What changed was the ability of most of the folks to see the stupidity of the idea of exporting jobs.

Guess what, and this may shock some. When you export American jobs, decent jobs, people will be unemployed. And when they find employment, they will be making much less than before. Their standard of living will drop. But also, in this the elites get richer. The disparity of income from the top to the middle and bottom increases in favor of the rich. This is not new. This is a proven fact.

To say that corporate globalization was inescapable is to indulge in primordial stupidity. Anyone who believes it was inevitable is simply stupid. Gotta call a spade a spade here. And if you had one twit of common sense, you would not even question it. Political beliefs are so powerful, that it will even cause stupidity to flourish and bloom.

A suggestion. Don't any of you pro offshoring guys ever try to make a living from farming the land. You will starve to death. Those ideas you accept as the truth will send you to the grave in a quick manner. And that is the reason all of the farmers I ever knew in the old days were Democrats, albeit the OLD DEMOCRATS, the ones who felt work was noble, and never wanted charity. And they would have never robbed their fellow farmers in favor of some foreigner who wasn't even a dad gummed friend.

[thierabess]

If you would have read my earlier posts about illegal immigration, you would know I ranted and raved about that as well. Illegal immigration put my son in law OUT of business, as he was outbid on every contract due to illegal workers being employed by his competitors.

I am PRO AMERICAN WORKER. Always have been, and always will be. And that is why I originally registered as a Dem many decades ago. The Dems use to look out for average working Americans. They no longer do, in any great measure. IMO.

I am all for using our own oil, especially if we did not send it to world markets but used it here, period. The oil boom in the south of my State in the 70's was wonderful for my people here. It made all local business boom.

Not sure where you got the idea I was against drilling, and for illegal immigration. I am not like some Liberals. I am an old pro average working American and will never change my spots.

I happen to blast the Repubs, because I have watched what their policies have done to the average guy. I have watched what has happened since they came back into power with Reagen. I have watched them rape and pillage the average working bloke. All in the name of Capitalistic Progress.

Yeah but you don't blast the Dem's for offshoring our oil and sending 500 billion a yr to foreign countries and their jobs. Nor do you blast the Dem's for outsourcing 20 million jobs right here at home. Further Obama has sent billion offshore to build windmills and solar panels, but you don't bitch about that, no because it all the Pub's fault.

I just happen to believe Capitalism is a tool that should be used to enrich ALL in a Nation, which means no offshoring, or outsourcing, period, UNLESS it also enriches ALL in the process. Corporate Globalization is the newest gimmick to enrich the FEW, at the demise of everyone else. That we moved to the model was a conscious, planned move, that originated with business and their cohorts in the Republican Party, that also brought some Dems along for the ride. The Dems probably went along so they could get their pork in the process.


Anyone who is stopping the drilling and sourcing for our own oil is a damn idiot. Period. Yet, if one looks ahead to the future, it might be nice to have enough reserves left in our ground to win the next world war. We need to think long term on some things such as this. For emergencies. I sure would not want to face another huge war, without our own reserves that is for sure. Supply lines are too easily disrupted, and several nukes going off in the major producers oil fields would stop that production for a long, long time. You may not have even considered that. I do. There you go making excuses for the Dem's putting oil under lock and key, Christ we have enough oil in this country to flood it. New discoveries are being found every day. Yet you won't blast the Dem's for sending 500 billion a yr offshore and the jobs. This has nothing to say about our coal supply that we have enough to last hundreds of years.


As I said, I am not your perception of a Liberal. I am an old time Liberal, the ones that had some damn common sense driving decisions. There is no common sense today, on either side. It is blatantly obvious. I therefore find my self stuck on Ground Hog's Day, while being on the Twightlight Zone simultaneously. I am surrounded by idiots who no longer have the ability to see anything other than their own political ideology. And that is a sure fire path to doom for average folks. This ain't rocket science here, although some would want you to think it is, so you stop thinking for yourself. And let THEM do your thinking for you. Too many are too willing to let others do that, and then parrot what these jackwags say. And by doing so, they think they too will say brilliant things. The so called experts are nothing more than partisan hacks, pretending objectivity.

Common sense says, you cannot export so much of your manufacturing base and have what you had before you exported it. Common sense says the traditional service sector jobs don't provided for the standard of living that industry does. Yet, people have turned flips, did contortions to convince folks the opposite. UNLESS you understand it, and remember HOW we once were, and WHAT provided for that, you will continue to believe in the fantasy that propaganda brings.

If the Repubs would have pushed for offshoring and outsourcing during the 50's and 60's everyone would have had no trouble laughing them off, and seeing them as nutcases. Yet, a few decades changed that. The facts of the matter did not change of course, as we can easily see today. What changed was the ability of most of the folks to see the stupidity of the idea of exporting jobs.

Guess what, and this may shock some. When you export American jobs, decent jobs, people will be unemployed. And when they find employment, they will be making much less than before. Their standard of living will drop. But also, in this the elites get richer. The disparity of income from the top to the middle and bottom increases in favor of the rich. This is not new. This is a proven fact.

To say that corporate globalization was inescapable is to indulge in primordial stupidity. Anyone who believes it was inevitable is simply stupid. Gotta call a spade a spade here. And if you had one twit of common sense, you would not even question it. Political beliefs are so powerful, that it will even cause stupidity to flourish and bloom.

A suggestion. Don't any of you pro offshoring guys ever try to make a living from farming the land. You will starve to death.Those ideas you accept as the truth will send you to the grave in a quick manner. And that is the reason all of the farmers I ever knew in the old days were Democrats, albeit the OLD DEMOCRATS, the ones who felt work was noble, and never wanted charity. And they would have never robbed their fellow farmers in favor of some foreigner who wasn't even a dad gummed friend. Have you looked at the price of a bushel of corn lately, It's now 6.78 a bushel. That is over double what it should be, farmers are making big money these days.

You keep going back to this offshore stuff, and I bring you back to who the hell offshored our oil and all the jobs that went with it. And I bring you back to who is responsible for the 20 million illegals taking good American jobs. A Conservative wants to close the border solid and kick out the illegals already here. And it was your beloved Obama that stopped the border fence.

[unishisse]

Your beating a dead horse Danny, Obama could cure cancer and the GOP would bitch about all the oncologists he put outta work. No matter what, this will be a long process, thank the voters for putting a Dem in the Presidency, we''d be trading sticks and rocks for food with another year of the GOP