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This isn't as much fun as I thought it would be. I mean, I knew this list was crap when I first saw it, so why did I take the bait? Why did I think that fighting myth with fact would make a difference? If someone is simple minded enough, or wrapped so tight in their ideology, that they believe anything on this BS list, then is it even possible to crack open their skulls enough to sway them by truth? Probably not, because they don't want truth. Nobody does these days. We just want to be the one who shouts the loudest, regardless of whether what we say has any basis in reality. It makes me want to puke.

I guess I'll go forward anyway. It won't make a difference to any of you but it might help me get this bad taste out of my mouth.

"Obama’s Justice Department is there for Obama and team and not for true American Justice"


The mission statement for the DOJ is: To enforce the law and defend the interests of the United States according to the law; to ensure public safety against threats foreign and domestic; to provide federal leadership in preventing and controlling crime; to seek just punishment for those guilty of unlawful behavior; and to ensure fair and impartial administration of justice for all Americans.

There are 58 agencies that fall under the umbrella of the DOJ, they include biggies like the ATF, DEA, FBI but they are also charged with guaranteeing fair credit, protecting the right to vote, litigating on behalf of the environment, running our prison system, defending civil rights ... the list goes on and on and, of course, each agency has its own baby agency-ettes underneath them. At first glance it seems silly to suggest that ALL of these thousands of bureaucrats serve only to support the Obama administration's whims but, really, in a way, they do. Because the DOJ has its fingers in almost everything, they have the opportunity to shape the ways our law is interpreted across broad sweeps of policy. That's true for the Obama administration but it was true for previous administrations too. It's one of the big reasons why the office of President is so important and why each of us should be careful in deciding how to spend our vote this fall.

[TEFSADDERFISA]

This isn't as much fun as I thought it would be. I mean, I knew this list was crap when I first saw it, so why did I take the bait? Why did I think that fighting myth with fact would make a difference? If someone is simple minded enough, or wrapped so tight in their ideology, that they believe anything on this BS list, then is it even possible to crack open their skulls enough to sway them by truth? Probably not, because they don't want truth. Nobody does these days. We just want to be the one who shouts the loudest, regardless of whether what we say has any basis in reality. It makes me want to puke.

I guess I'll go forward anyway. It won't make a difference to any of you but it might help me get this bad taste out of my mouth.

"Obama’s Justice Department is there for Obama and team and not for true American Justice"


The mission statement for the DOJ is: To enforce the law and defend the interests of the United States according to the law; to ensure public safety against threats foreign and domestic; to provide federal leadership in preventing and controlling crime; to seek just punishment for those guilty of unlawful behavior; and to ensure fair and impartial administration of justice for all Americans.

There are 58 agencies that fall under the umbrella of the DOJ, they include biggies like the ATF, DEA, FBI but they are also charged with guaranteeing fair credit, protecting the right to vote, litigating on behalf of the environment, running our prison system, defending civil rights ... the list goes on and on and, of course, each agency has its own baby agency-ettes underneath them. At first glance it seems silly to suggest that ALL of these thousands of bureaucrats serve only to support the Obama administration's whims but, really, in a way, they do. Because the DOJ has its fingers in almost everything, they have the opportunity to shape the ways our law is interpreted across broad sweeps of policy. That's true for the Obama administration but it was true for previous administrations too. It's one of the big reasons why the office of President is so important and why each of us should be careful in deciding how to spend our vote this fall.

I was wondering when you would catch on. When I started responding to your responses I realized all we were getting were three different opinions and not too many facts. I decided it was an exercise in futility and I don't think any of us would think less of you if you decided the same. I don't think anyone's thought process is going to change by our responses and come this November we will know for sure.

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"Obama is bankrupting this country. If he does not cut spending drastically the economic crisis will continue. You can also be sure they will not let more economic crises go to waste
•Obama has shunned our best allies
•Obama has submitted to our enemies
•Obama’s environmental policy is anti-jobs during a time of very high unemployment
•Obama’s energy policies are doubling the price of energy and destroying jobs and the middle-class
•Obama’s health care plan is intrusive, expensive and unconstitutional and the extra bureaucracy will result in higher costs and health rationing choices made by medically uneducated idiots
•Obama’s wars are not winnable
•Obama’s immigration policy weakens America
•Obama’s moral positions are anti-Bible and anti-Christ
•Obama’s Justice Department is there for Obama and team and not for true American Justice
•Obama’s position on religion is all-paths pluralism and universalism rather than the Christianity faith he claims
•Obama has and will continue to put the UN and world organizations above US national sovereignty
•Obama’s position on Israel, the Arabs and Iran will lead to world war
•Obama’s position on dealing with China is for the US to continue to commit economic suicide by unfair trade
•Obama’s nuclear arms agreement with Russia is naïve or a move made on purpose to destroy America as the remaining world superpower.
•Obama’s abortion policy means death to many unborn
•Obama’s homosexual policy and marriage policy is really pushing perversion in America. It will also weaken our military and it means Christian chaplains will now be muzzled
•Obama’s military policies have produced the lowest morale in the military since Vietnam
•Obama’s economic policy favor huge multi-national corporations and international bankers
•Obama’s is creating a permanent slave underclass that will depend on statist socialist government for survival. Handouts are promised for votes
•The Supreme Court will soon be filled with people who think like Communists and they will rule for decades. They will totally subvert what is left of our Constitution
•Small businesses cannot survive the over regulation and taxes that the Obama administration has planned
•Health care will deteriorate tremendously and you will be required to go through far less trained gate-keepers just to see a doctor and there will be a long wait unless you are one of the privileged class
•Most of what is left of the middle-class will be government bureaucrat control freaks that totally support the UN agenda.
•Savings and retirements will be wiped out through inflation
•Housing will be affordable to everyone except the owner
•Unemployment will remain in double digits and wages will fall rapidly relative to the real cost of living
•America will be under the control of the UN on all world matters
•With their CO2 climate change non reality, they will put the coal power plants out of business and electricity will soon double or triple in price and there will be rolling blackouts. Electric cars will become useless and outlawed for most
•Gas will be well above $5 a gallon and you will also be taxed on how much you drive
•Free speech will only exist for the politically correct leftists. Views of conservatives and religious people will be called hate speech
•Free speech on the media and the Internet will cease
•They will make it too expensive and too restrictive to have guns or ammo
•Obama’s foreign policies will just lead to more wars"

I don't care who called who what, you CANNOT post a shining piece of poo-fruit like this and then close the thread for comment. Not unless you want my head to explode.

I intend to take each one of these on and when I am finished I believe we will know who the liars and idiots are without having to point out the obvious.

Some of you might want to get your whiny pants ready.

[RsQhyZyR]

"Obama is bankrupting this country. If he does not cut spending drastically the economic crisis will continue. You can also be sure they will not let more economic crises go to waste
•Obama has shunned our best allies
•Obama has submitted to our enemies
•Obama’s environmental policy is anti-jobs during a time of very high unemployment
•Obama’s energy policies are doubling the price of energy and destroying jobs and the middle-class
•Obama’s health care plan is intrusive, expensive and unconstitutional and the extra bureaucracy will result in higher costs and health rationing choices made by medically uneducated idiots
•Obama’s wars are not winnable
•Obama’s immigration policy weakens America
•Obama’s moral positions are anti-Bible and anti-Christ
•Obama’s Justice Department is there for Obama and team and not for true American Justice
•Obama’s position on religion is all-paths pluralism and universalism rather than the Christianity faith he claims
•Obama has and will continue to put the UN and world organizations above US national sovereignty
•Obama’s position on Israel, the Arabs and Iran will lead to world war
•Obama’s position on dealing with China is for the US to continue to commit economic suicide by unfair trade
•Obama’s nuclear arms agreement with Russia is naïve or a move made on purpose to destroy America as the remaining world superpower.
•Obama’s abortion policy means death to many unborn
•Obama’s homosexual policy and marriage policy is really pushing perversion in America. It will also weaken our military and it means Christian chaplains will now be muzzled
•Obama’s military policies have produced the lowest morale in the military since Vietnam
•Obama’s economic policy favor huge multi-national corporations and international bankers
•Obama’s is creating a permanent slave underclass that will depend on statist socialist government for survival. Handouts are promised for votes
•The Supreme Court will soon be filled with people who think like Communists and they will rule for decades. They will totally subvert what is left of our Constitution
•Small businesses cannot survive the over regulation and taxes that the Obama administration has planned
•Health care will deteriorate tremendously and you will be required to go through far less trained gate-keepers just to see a doctor and there will be a long wait unless you are one of the privileged class
•Most of what is left of the middle-class will be government bureaucrat control freaks that totally support the UN agenda.
•Savings and retirements will be wiped out through inflation
•Housing will be affordable to everyone except the owner
•Unemployment will remain in double digits and wages will fall rapidly relative to the real cost of living
•America will be under the control of the UN on all world matters
•With their CO2 climate change non reality, they will put the coal power plants out of business and electricity will soon double or triple in price and there will be rolling blackouts. Electric cars will become useless and outlawed for most
•Gas will be well above $5 a gallon and you will also be taxed on how much you drive
•Free speech will only exist for the politically correct leftists. Views of conservatives and religious people will be called hate speech
•Free speech on the media and the Internet will cease
•They will make it too expensive and too restrictive to have guns or ammo
•Obama’s foreign policies will just lead to more wars"

I don't care who called who what, you CANNOT post a shining piece of poo-fruit like this and then close the thread for comment. Not unless you want my head to explode.

I intend to take each one of these on and when I am finished I believe we will know who the liars and idiots are without having to point out the obvious.

Some of you might want to get your whiny pants ready.

edeevee.............Fire when ready!

[TEFSADDERFISA]

"Obama is bankrupting this country. If he does not cut spending drastically the economic crisis will continue. You can also be sure they will not let more economic crises go to waste
•Obama has shunned our best allies
•Obama has submitted to our enemies
•Obama’s environmental policy is anti-jobs during a time of very high unemployment
•Obama’s energy policies are doubling the price of energy and destroying jobs and the middle-class
•Obama’s health care plan is intrusive, expensive and unconstitutional and the extra bureaucracy will result in higher costs and health rationing choices made by medically uneducated idiots
•Obama’s wars are not winnable
•Obama’s immigration policy weakens America
•Obama’s moral positions are anti-Bible and anti-Christ
•Obama’s Justice Department is there for Obama and team and not for true American Justice
•Obama’s position on religion is all-paths pluralism and universalism rather than the Christianity faith he claims
•Obama has and will continue to put the UN and world organizations above US national sovereignty
•Obama’s position on Israel, the Arabs and Iran will lead to world war
•Obama’s position on dealing with China is for the US to continue to commit economic suicide by unfair trade
•Obama’s nuclear arms agreement with Russia is naïve or a move made on purpose to destroy America as the remaining world superpower.
•Obama’s abortion policy means death to many unborn
•Obama’s homosexual policy and marriage policy is really pushing perversion in America. It will also weaken our military and it means Christian chaplains will now be muzzled
•Obama’s military policies have produced the lowest morale in the military since Vietnam
•Obama’s economic policy favor huge multi-national corporations and international bankers
•Obama’s is creating a permanent slave underclass that will depend on statist socialist government for survival. Handouts are promised for votes
•The Supreme Court will soon be filled with people who think like Communists and they will rule for decades. They will totally subvert what is left of our Constitution
•Small businesses cannot survive the over regulation and taxes that the Obama administration has planned
•Health care will deteriorate tremendously and you will be required to go through far less trained gate-keepers just to see a doctor and there will be a long wait unless you are one of the privileged class
•Most of what is left of the middle-class will be government bureaucrat control freaks that totally support the UN agenda.
•Savings and retirements will be wiped out through inflation
•Housing will be affordable to everyone except the owner
•Unemployment will remain in double digits and wages will fall rapidly relative to the real cost of living
•America will be under the control of the UN on all world matters
•With their CO2 climate change non reality, they will put the coal power plants out of business and electricity will soon double or triple in price and there will be rolling blackouts. Electric cars will become useless and outlawed for most
•Gas will be well above $5 a gallon and you will also be taxed on how much you drive
•Free speech will only exist for the politically correct leftists. Views of conservatives and religious people will be called hate speech
•Free speech on the media and the Internet will cease
•They will make it too expensive and too restrictive to have guns or ammo
•Obama’s foreign policies will just lead to more wars"

I don't care who called who what, you CANNOT post a shining piece of poo-fruit like this and then close the thread for comment. Not unless you want my head to explode.

I intend to take each one of these on and when I am finished I believe we will know who the liars and idiots are without having to point out the obvious.

Some of you might want to get your whiny pants ready.

I think most of these points are opinions, will your counterpoints also be opinions?

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"Obama is bankrupting this country. If he does not cut spending drastically the economic crisis will continue. You can also be sure they will not let more economic crises go to waste."

An April report by the nonpartisan Pew Fiscal Analysis Initiative analyzed the difference in the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office’s projections of publicly held debt and the actual debt from 2001 to 2011. The report found that about two-thirds of debt growth -- expressed as a percentage of the gross domestic product -- during that time resulted from new legislation, some of which was enacted under Bush.

The report said the Bush tax cuts, wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and the 2009 stimulus are three of the five "most significant legislative drivers" of the debt, but also notes that "no single policy or piece of legislation, however, is overwhelmingly responsible" for the increase.

TWO of the THREE most significant additions to our national debt were created BEFORE Obama took office. The third was in response to the economic crisis that also occured before Obama was inaugurated. This is not to say that Obama should not focus on cutting spending, just that anyone who has the cajones to say, "they will not let more economic crises go to waste" should consider the meaning of a pot calling a kettle black.

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"Obama has shunned our best allies"

Homey asked if I planned to use opinions. Generally, no. In this case? Maybe. It is my opinion that the UK, Canada, Mexico, Australia, Japan and possibly Germany are our most consistent allies. So ...

Did Obama snub the UK? This guy doesn't seem to think so.

Did Obama snub Canada? Australia? Eh, is it snubbing to invite their PMs to an exclusive luau in Hawaii?

What about Mexico? Don't think so. He threw a state dinner for their president. Boehner, on the other hand ... "The snub marks the third consecutive Obama-thrown State Dinner that Boehner will skip, including receptions for Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Mexican President Felipe Calderon."

Japan? Ahhh, maybe.

And we gave Angela Merkel, Germany's PM the Medal of Freedom at her own state dinner.

Obama seems to pretty much suck at ally snub-making.

[TEFSADDERFISA]

"Obama has shunned our best allies"

Homey asked if I planned to use opinions. Generally, no. In this case? Maybe. It is my opinion that the UK, Canada, Mexico, Australia, Japan and possibly Germany are our most consistent allies. So ...

Did Obama snub the UK? This guy doesn't seem to think so.

Did Obama snub Canada? Australia? Eh, is it snubbing to invite their PMs to an exclusive luau in Hawaii?

What about Mexico? Don't think so. He threw a state dinner for their president. Boehner, on the other hand ... "The snub marks the third consecutive Obama-thrown State Dinner that Boehner will skip, including receptions for Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh and Mexican President Felipe Calderon."

Japan? Ahhh, maybe.

And we gave Angela Merkel, Germany's PM the Medal of Freedom at her own state dinner.

Obama seems to pretty much suck at ally snub-making.

Edeevee,

I'm old school and I consider being called honey a term of endearment, at least it was that way with my many vacations in the south. Also, I have a hunch the ally they were talking about is Israel. UK also felt snubbed when Obama returned the bust of Churchill.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_168919.html

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"Obama has submitted to our enemies"

I have a big dog. She's getting older now but when she was in her prime a lot of the neighborhood dogs would "submit" to her if we met them on our walks. She would bark and the other dogs would whimper then roll onto their backs and show her their bellies.

Despite my best efforts -- and believe me, I TRIED -- I could only find one instance of Obama showing his belly to anyone besides Michelle. He was on a beach, in Hawaii, on vaycay and, while I feel a little weird saying this, the POTUS was looking might fine. My. Tee. Fine. And not submissive at all.

But maybe whoever the Tater tot copied his list from was talking about the "apology tour"? In that case, Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire.

[RlUbQU3R]

"Obama’s environmental policy is anti-jobs during a time of very high unemployment"

Okay, you might have me on this. Obama's environmental policy is clearly anti-future gulf oil spill mop up jobs. As well as anti-how many people would we have to employ to figure out how to restore the safety of our water table after frakking or pipelining over aquifers-jobs, or new healthcare workers for all the folks with pulmonary diseases due to air pollutants - jobs. He's also apparently anti - arsenic, beryllium, chromium, lead, and mercury clean up after coal ash slurry breach -jobs.

So what if we destroy the planet - a job's a job!

[TEFSADDERFISA]

Edeevee,

I'm old school and I consider being called honey a term of endearment, at least it was that way with my many vacations in the south. Also, I have a hunch the ally they were talking about is Israel. UK also felt snubbed when Obama returned the bust of Churchill.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_168919.html

After reviewing what I posted I made the egregious error of not throughly reading a referenced link before posting. I should have known better since it was the Huffington Post, an unofficial apologist for the President. I think the link to the Daily Mail better describes the snubbing of our friend and ally, the Brits.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...p-Britain.html

[TEFSADDERFISA]

"Obama’s environmental policy is anti-jobs during a time of very high unemployment"

Okay, you might have me on this. Obama's environmental policy is clearly anti-future gulf oil spill mop up jobs. As well as anti-how many people would we have to employ to figure out how to restore the safety of our water table after frakking or pipelining over aquifers-jobs, or new healthcare workers for all the folks with pulmonary diseases due to air pollutants - jobs. He's also apparently anti - arsenic, beryllium, chromium, lead, and mercury clean up after coal ash slurry breach -jobs.

So what if we destroy the planet - a job's a job!

Looks like this one is mostly opinion based. If he was so concerned about destroying the planet why did he pump in two billions dollars into a Brazilian oil company so that they may do oil exploration. Also, the Cubans has authorized oil exploration 60 miles of the coast of Florida and with the ability to slant drill they surely will tap into any oil pockets that rightfully belong to the United States. The opposition to the Keystone project is ideology driven to appease his environmental base, come next year no matter who is elected president, the Keystone project will be approved. It should also be noted that an alternative method to transport crude oil is by railroad. Guess who owns Burlington Northern Santa Fe LLC. His good friend, Warren Buffett, an Obama supporter. A coincidence, maybe, but it looks suspicious. Furthermore, there is already an estimated 50,000 miles of crude oil pipeline and a vast underground network of more than 2 million miles of energy pipeline already traversing the United States.

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Edeevee,

I'm old school and I consider being called honey a term of endearment, at least it was that way with my many vacations in the south. Also, I have a hunch the ally they were talking about is Israel. UK also felt snubbed when Obama returned the bust of Churchill.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_168919.html

Sorry, Homester, if I'm gonna get through that whole list I won't be able to stop for comments along the way. I'll thorw this one out there then it'll be a while before I wind my way back.

Churchill bust= we discussed this many moons ago and most of us decided this was BS. The bust was on loan to a previous admin. Obama returned it. Nuff said.

Israel= Here's where opinion really comes into play. I do not consider Israel one of our best allies. To me, they are more like the snot nosed little brother who constantly ticks off everyone in the neighborhood then runs home to hide behind you. Ssly, what has Israel done for us lately?

[pkxlugbsbv]

Israel= Here's where opinion really comes into play. I do not consider Israel one of our best allies. To me, they are more like the snot nosed little brother who constantly ticks off everyone in the neighborhood then runs home to hide behind you. Ssly, what has Israel done for us lately?

Excellent description of Israel Edeevee! That pretty much sums up how I view them also.

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"Obama’s energy policies are doubling the price of energy and destroying jobs and the middle-class"

Are you middle class? Have your energy costs doubles since Obama took over? I am middle class. My bills have not doubled. I lack the energy right now to dig out bills from four years ago but, I swear to you, cross my heart, I think they have actually (gasp!) gone down!*

Maybe it's because I took advantage of those sweet Obama tax break policies. I added insulation and replaced a drafty old window and door. Recently I took some of the money I'd saved and bought new energy efficient appliances too. Let the dollars roll in!

And hey, now that I think about it, somebody manufactured that insulation, that door, that window, somebody sold it to me, delivered it to me, and a few somebodies installed them. Same with the new kitchen appliances and dryer. Could that be? Why, yes, I believe it is. JOBS!!!!!!!

*Since we don't want to depend on my raggedy memory, I figured I'd better find a source. That turned out to be almost as difficult as digging around in the garage for receipts but I did find this table:

Retail Revenue (Million Dollars) 2008 2009 2010
Residential 156,633 155,433 -0.8 157,351 157,008 -0.2 167,957 166,778 -0.7

Average Retail Price (Cents/kWh)
Residential 11.36 11.26 -0.9 11.55 11.51 -0.4 11.58 11.54 -0.4

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"Obama’s health care plan is intrusive, expensive and unconstitutional and the extra bureaucracy will result in higher costs and health rationing choices made by medically uneducated idiots"

Any national health plan is, by definition, intrusive as it requires participation (in one form or another) from all of us. So yeah, Obama's plan is intrusive. So was Mitt's. So was Newt's. So was Clinton's. So was Bob Dole's. When you think about it, so was Nixon's, since his collusion with the health care and insurance heavy hitters ultimately intruded into my household budget to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars over my adult life time. Because Obama's plan is intrusive but it is not exclusively intrusive, this point is moot.

It's expensive. Yup. So is health care without a national plan. The whole idea behind creating a plan is to bring prices down. Dur.

Extra bureaucracy? I don't buy that. Not yet anyway. Private health insurance has plenty of bureaucracy on its own. And the kicker is, all those layers of "managed" care were intentionally created to give yiou a product that adds less value to the consumer while lining the pockets of the high muckety mucks.

... health rationing choices made by medically uneducated idiots? What? The Obama administration is recruiting Fence Post members? BONUS! JOBS!

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"Obama’s wars are not winnable"

Guess we'll have to wait until he starts one to see how it turns out.

[lopaayd]

Sorry, Homester, if I'm gonna get through that whole list I won't be able to stop for comments along the way. I'll thorw this one out there then it'll be a while before I wind my way back.

Churchill bust= we discussed this many moons ago and most of us decided this was BS. The bust was on loan to a previous admin. Obama returned it. Nuff said.

Israel= Here's where opinion really comes into play. I do not consider Israel one of our best allies. To me, they are more like the snot nosed little brother who constantly ticks off everyone in the neighborhood then runs home to hide behind you. Ssly, what has Israel done for us lately?

Couldn't have said it better myself!

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"Obama’s immigration policy weakens America"

I almost chose to skip this because it is ridiculous in its lack of definition. The idiot (yeah, I said idiot) who wrote this seems to have randomly drawn an inflammatory noun out of one hat and a negative verb out of another. It's MadLibs -- the home politics edition!

Obama's immigration policy weakens America by ...? How?

I don't know much about the administration's immigration policy. I do know that Obama has tried to prioritize. He's chosen Job#1 as securing our border and it seems to be working. And with the resources he has left he is targeting illegal aliens who have committed crimes. You'd think those in the Tea Party mindset of 'don't spend what you don't have' would applaud this increase in efficiency. After all, this tactic has his administration "on pace to prosecute more illegal immigrants in three years for illegal entry or illegal reentry than President George W. Bush did in his eight-year term". The other thing I know about his policy is that it is horking off people on both the extreme right and the extreme left. He's gotta be doing something right.

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"Obama’s moral positions are anti-Bible and anti-Christ"

Again with the vagueness? I'll address this as soon as someone tells me which moral positions.