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Old 05-14-2011, 06:47 AM   #1
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Default High schooler challenges Michelle Bachmann to debate on U.S. Constitution
Minnesota Independent: http://minnesotaindependent.com/8147...s-constitution

A high school sophomore from New Jersey is challenging Rep. Michele Bachmann to a debate on civics and the U.S. Constitution. In an open letter to to Bachmann, Amy Myers of Cherry Hill, N.J., said, “I have found quite a few of your statements regarding The Constitution of the United States, the quality of public school education and general U.S. civics matters to be factually incorrect, inaccurately applied or grossly distorted.”

“I, Amy Myers, do hereby challenge Representative Michele Bachmann to a Public Forum Debate and/or Fact Test on The Constitution of the United States, United States History and United States Civics,” Myers wrote, according to a report by City Pages’ Nick Pinto.

Politifact rated Bachmann’s statements about the U.S. Constitution’s census requirements in 2009 as “Pants on Fire” false. CNN’s Anderson Cooper dinged Bachmann back in January for her revisionist history regarding the U.S. Constitution’s racist past.

Here’s Myers full letterear Representative Bachmann,

My name is Amy Myers. I am a Cherry Hill, New Jersey sophomore attending Cherry Hill High School East. As a typical high school student, I have found quite a few of your statements regarding The Constitution of the United States, the quality of public school education and general U.S. civics matters to be factually incorrect, inaccurately applied or grossly distorted. The frequency and scope of these comments prompted me to write this letter.

Though I am not in your home district, or even your home state, you are a United States Representative of some prominence who is subject to national media coverage. News outlets and websites across this country profile your causes and viewpoints on a regular basis. As one of a handful of women in Congress, you hold a distinct privilege and responsibility to better represent your gender nationally. The statements you make help to serve an injustice to not only the position of Congresswoman, but women everywhere. Though politically expedient, incorrect comments cast a shadow on your person and by unfortunate proxy, both your supporters and detractors alike often generalize this shadow to women as a whole.

Rep. Bachmann, the frequent inability you have shown to accurately and factually present even the most basic information about the United States led me to submit the follow challenge, pitting my public education against your advanced legal education:

I, Amy Myers, do hereby challenge Representative Michele Bachmann to a Public Forum Debate and/or Fact Test on The Constitution of the United States, United States History and United States Civics.

Hopefully, we will be able to meet for such an event, as it would prove to be enlightening.

Sincerely yours,
Amy Myers
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Old 05-14-2011, 02:42 PM   #2
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My money's on Amy. Her school district is a very good one, and her school, in particular, is great.

Plus, it's Michelle Bachmann.
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Old 05-14-2011, 11:18 PM   #3
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Heh, Pinky, knowing her school.

I'm going eith Amy too, unless Christine O'Donnell is mediating.
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Old 05-14-2011, 11:52 PM   #4
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Cherry Hill is not far from where I live.

Christine O'Donnell can't be the mediator. While I'm pretty sure that nothing in the Constitution would prevent a witch from performing that job, common sense tells me that someone with more intelligence is required.
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Old 05-16-2011, 05:00 PM   #5
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It's never going to happen but it sure would be fun to watch, Michelle would be a loser just for accepting to debate a 15 year old High School-er, and then if she was out classed by said High School-er her political career would be over and if she were to best a 15 year old what does that get her, she would be seen as a bully.

But ofh that would be so rich to watch, extra butter on the pop corn for that one... If only.
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Old 05-21-2011, 07:32 AM   #6
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Stay classy, right wingers.

Courier Post: http://www.courierpostonline.com/art...text|FRONTPAGE

A Cherry Hill High School East sophomore who challenged Tea Party champion Michele Bachmann to a constitutional debate says she is concerned for her personal safety.

"A lot of them are calling me a whore," 16-year-old Amy Myers said, referring to anonymous comments reacting to online news reports about her challenge to the 55-year-old Minnesota congresswoman.

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Amy and her father Wayne Myers said the comments on conservative websites alarmed them most. Several commenters threatened to publish the Myers' home address. Others threatened violence, including rape, they said.

"They're targeting me just because I'm challenging Bachmann," Amy said.

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Amy, who is running for sophomore class president, denied she called out Bachmann just for publicity.

"I wanted her to accept the challenge," the aspiring veterinarian said. "I just wanted her to see what she's doing is wrong and it hurts the way women look."
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Old 05-21-2011, 02:56 PM   #7
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Too bad the owners of these "conservative" websites won't track the IP addresses of the ones making these threats and allow them to be identified and prosecuted. I wonder if they've even posted anything calling them out on their "courage" in posting threats anonymously against a teenage girl with the guts to give her name?
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Old 05-22-2011, 12:24 AM   #8
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14 year-old, Tricia Willoughby, speaking at Madison, WI Tea Party rally. Besides this obvious public employee union member idiot, notice complete lack of civility displayed by these unionistas including many
public school teachers. What a disgrace.

http://www.620wtmj.com/shows/charlie...120396579.html

Here are these same people yelling "Koch Sucker" and other obscenities at the same 14 year-old girl. These people are teaching our kids, pathetic.

http://althouse./2011/04...h-and-for.html

Compare the actual plethora of liberal scumbags with possible alleged posts
against your heroic Amy. Fact versus Richard's imaginary(???) liberal outrage.
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Old 05-22-2011, 01:54 PM   #9
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Paul, I watched both of the videos. I read both of the articles. Nowhere did I see any evidence that any of the idiots yelling obscenities at Ms Willoughby were teachers. The fact that there were teachers in the crowd is not proof that any of those yelling obscenities were, in fact, teachers.

Also, while the actions of a few of the protesters were classless, and demeaning to themselves and their ideals, there is a slight difference between shouting those insults and making threats of violence against someone. In case you don't know the difference, the first is rude, the second can be illegal (although the police in Cherry Hill aren't taking any of the threats too seriously at this point). Then there's the difference between being out there, for all the world to see, as opposed to sitting at a computer and making your threats anonymously.

Do I sanction the comments hurled at that articulate young speaker? Of course not! But she came away from it unscathed. We don't know for certain yet that Ms Myers will end up safely.
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Old 05-22-2011, 07:27 PM   #10
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Both sides hurl insults. We look to our leaders to set an example, but some of them aren't much better, honestly.
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Old 05-23-2011, 02:14 AM   #11
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Both sides hurl insults. We look to our leaders to set an example, but some of them aren't much better, honestly.
Exactly what threats were made against Amy by Conservatives? Reading the articles all we basically get is the word of the father. Who apparently is not a big Bachman fan. The insults I've seen are those directed by Amy at Representative Bachman, essentially attacking her for being a disgrace to Women everywhere.
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Old 05-23-2011, 02:17 AM   #12
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BTW Bachman in my opinion is essentially correct at least philosophically in the two statements that that Amy is all bent out of shape about.
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Old 05-23-2011, 03:15 AM   #13
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Exactly what threats were made against Amy by Conservatives? Reading the articles all we basically get is the word of the father. Who apparently is not a big Bachman fan. The insults I've seen are those directed by Amy at Representative Bachman, essentially attacking her for being a disgrace to Women everywhere.
Well, it took some searching, but I did find a couple of doozies in this discussion thread:

http://www.drudge.com/news/144461/te...c-gets-threats

Post #15: B**** should be happy she hasn't been shot in the head.


Yet. And post #17 ends by calling her a "Dumb lib c***"

Classy.
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Old 05-23-2011, 01:53 PM   #14
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Exactly what threats were made against Amy by Conservatives? Reading the articles all we basically get is the word of the father. Who apparently is not a big Bachman fan. The insults I've seen are those directed by Amy at Representative Bachman, essentially attacking her for being a disgrace to Women everywhere.
Claire gave you some examples. I wasn't talking about this specific story, but in general. Visit any comment board for any mainstream or local press and you'll find folks of all political persuasions name-calling, throwing insults and being anonymously dick-ish.

As for Rep. Bachmann, I don't find her to be the sharpest crayon in the box. You may disagree, as is your right.
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Old 05-23-2011, 09:08 PM   #15
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I agree with you on the tone of political discussion, DES. I have actually stopped going to a board that deals with my local community because there is never any worthwhile discussion, just a lot of name-calling.

I also agree about Rep. Bachmann. I'm sure she's reasonably intelligent, but equally sure her invitation to join Mensa wasn't simply lost in the mail.
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Old 05-24-2011, 04:43 AM   #16
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Well, it took some searching, but I did find a couple of doozies in this discussion thread:

http://www.drudge.com/news/144461/te...c-gets-threats

Post #15:

And post #17 ends by calling her a "Dumb lib c***"

Classy.
First we don't know a Conservative made these rude comments (It is a favorite tactic of Libs to to anonymously post offensive comments and then attribute them to Conservatives) BTW if you need to know the name and union status of the jerk who was screaming at Tricia Willoughby that info is available.

Second, the comments you found were really not illegal threats, now were they?
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Old 05-24-2011, 05:08 AM   #17
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Now lets compare Tricia and Amy. Tricia is out speaking for her vision of the future, you may not agree with it, but she has goals she wants to accomplish, she has a positive outlook, in her view, for the future. What are Amy's goals, to quibble with Michelle Bachman inelegantly worded statements in which she wished to express that the only Constitutional requirement regarding the Census is enumeration, that the founding fathers were conflicted about slavery and that America's promise is that one can rise above humble beginnings (though, of course, it hasn't always worked out that way in practice) all three of these are at least debatebly true. But what is Amy's reaction, does she express a positive view for the future, no, instead she attacks Bachman for not being a real woman enough for her, why because she doesn't like or understand the way the Representative phrased some statements.

Do you think she holds the President to the same standard, say the way he phrased his comments about Israel and the 1967 borders?
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Old 05-24-2011, 12:27 PM   #18
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So, Michelle Bachmann gets a pass on her "inelegantly worded statements" but those who disagree with you get called out on every single little point.

And you complain about liberal hypocrisy?
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Old 05-24-2011, 04:25 PM   #19
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No never gave her pass. Just as when I point flaws in say, your arguments, I don't then wrap it up by saying you are a disgrace to Women. This is what Amy did.
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Old 05-24-2011, 04:46 PM   #20
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No, you only imply that I'm a teacher who molests children.
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